2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWho Won Rachel Maddow's Democratic Forum? Hillary Got It Done
Who Won Rachel Maddow's Democratic Forum? Hillary Got It Doneby Chris Tognotti at Bustle
http://www.bustle.com/articles/122247-who-won-rachel-maddows-democratic-forum-hillary-got-it-done
"SNIP.............
It's going to be a matter of some argument, sure, especially between people who already have their allegiances sorted out. There are strong cases to be made on all sides from the polished sharpness of Martin O'Malley, to the stirring rhetorical passion of Bernie Sanders, to the ease and all-around expertise of Hillary Clinton, there really wasn't a candidate on stage Friday night that did themselves any major harm. At the very worst, anyone who supported one of these candidates going in almost surely walked out with the same opinion.
But when you look at the all-around performances, and the stakes within the respective campaigns, it's hard not to arrive at a familiar conclusion. Sorry, Bernie and Martin fans: Hillary Clinton carried the night, on both personal and political levels, and she looks like she's rounding into form heading into the final weeks of 2015.
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Maddow was a standout as the moderator of the forum, and each and every candidate got an entirely fair chance to express their views on a range of topics O'Malley keyed in on climate change, Sanders on economic justice (of course) and even a little about himself (a nice surprise), and Clinton was pressed on an array of issues that are hugely significant to Democratic viewers, like the death penalty, gun control, racism in policing, and her hawkish reputation on foreign policy.
Her answers might not please everyone, no doubt she downplayed the hawk criticisms, which flies in the face of much of her record and past public statements. But her demeanor was undeniably the most composed and ready for the spotlight, and perhaps most crucially she never came across as disingenuous or insincere, those qualities that so many voters seem to ascribe to her. Quite the contrary, in fact she looked like a future president.
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Avalux
(35,015 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)Thanks
Pryderi
(6,772 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Cha
(298,319 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Madame President indeed!
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)and abrasive. I thought Martin did well but Bernie was on fire. Bernie was the best.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Nobody thinks Hillary won that debate. I guess you could pretend she won it, but hell, I'm not good at faking it because I don't have to.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)When she wagged her finger ineffectually at wall street in 2007?
When she twisted herself in knots trying to explain the DOMA?
Or when she was asked how she would help African Americans, and instead talked about White Middle-Aged people?
This article is disconnected from reality.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Hillary was talking about the latest report wherein white middle aged people are dying from drugs. Bernie was talking about reaching out to "white middle class voters" totally dismissing the fact that PoC actually work.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Response to Aerows (Reply #16)
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bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Hillary was asked about African Americans and brought up a report about white middle aged people...thats the definition of dismissing them.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)But,. that's okay. I have already been informed that it is perfectly okay to use the terms "white working class people" and "white voters" in South Carolina.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Hillary pivoting from African Americans to white middle-aged people is right here:
artislife
(9,497 posts)Damn, you are right bobbobins01. You are right.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)If anybody has an ethical bone in their body, the last thing they would do is accuse Bernie Sanders of sexism, racism and assorted bullshit.
They do *NOT* get to tarnish his integrity just because his opponents have none.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)was excruciating.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:14 AM - Edit history (1)
Grammar edit
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)EOM
Aerows
(39,961 posts)for Clinton 2.0 because there is a shitload of integrity there.
Not.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Bill was the greatest ever, followed closely by Ronnie.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)is completely different than the "opinion" article.
I have about had it with people telling me what to think - I think for myself.
You aren't going to cajole, coerce or craft a situation where she won the debate.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)No one's mind was changed.
Uncle Joe
(58,653 posts)consider that to be a plus.
In regards to the mess in Mesopotamia and Syria, Bernie stated clearly that the mega-wealthy Gulf States and their over sized military should carry the ground game war against ISIS and that the world as a whole should unite in this fight.
Bernie wasn't backing the U.S. carrying the lion's share of the load in treasure and blood anymore as we've done in the ill thought war against Iraq which fostered the current crisis to begin with.
Thanks for the thread, applegrove.
applegrove
(119,063 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)madamesilverspurs
(15,822 posts)Unlike the GOP sideshows, in this venue the candidates had opportunity to show who they are. Rather than reciting and repeating party talking points and scripted insults, each candidate shared history and experience and personal observation. And afterward, no complaints about hard questions. The forum did what it was supposed to do.
a kennedy
(29,834 posts)oasis
(49,551 posts)Bernie provided excitement and vision.
Based on tonight's event, Hill would be the choice of Democrats who are looking for a "sure thing". IMO, Bernie's candidacy is tempting, but still represents a risk.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)oasis
(49,551 posts)Mass murders and terrorism. She believes the present application of the death penalty is unfair and in use too often.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)You speak to a predominantly black audience and the word race never gets mentioned. That's criminal.
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Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)"Flies in the face of her record"
It's easy to be smooth when lying right to your constituents' faces is no big thing.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)Regardless, if Mr. Sanders does not win the nomination, I Hope Mrs. Clinton does. The world does not want another Republican in office.
askew
(1,464 posts)He got a great response on twitter. I think he won it quite easily.
This format was a not a good fit for Hillary. You could see her flip-flops and evading answers over and over again.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)the others did a lot of attacking and she didn't.
demwing
(16,916 posts)I ask because you wrote "from what i hear..."
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Cha
(298,319 posts)BootinUp
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