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Segami

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Hey look! It's 2008 ballot shenanigans again! jeff47 Nov 2015 #1
The old playbook came out of storage... Segami Nov 2015 #2
What was that?... Segami Nov 2015 #6
You can count on Team Hillary to pull every dirty trick jfern Nov 2015 #3
Yep DJ13 Nov 2015 #5
So the polls were FAKE? They REALLY must be worried if they are doing this. This will only sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #11
Hillary has nothing to do with this CheshireDog Nov 2015 #8
Sure, she'll just be the lucky winner if it happens jfern Nov 2015 #9
Now she does. We know, she knows. She needs to join Sanders in his effort to register and make sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #14
Hillary Clinton doesn't have to help anyone get on any ballot. boston bean Nov 2015 #59
If she doesn't at least say anything in Bernie's defense on this, I don't want her to be president. reformist2 Nov 2015 #60
She doesn't have to say anything. That is Bernie's campaign issue, not hers. boston bean Nov 2015 #61
Did anyone say she has to? No, what I said was if she doesn't 'she owns it' that sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #84
Right.....sure....... daleanime Nov 2015 #17
The problem with having a history is people can see it. jeff47 Nov 2015 #22
then she can return the email favor: tell them to put him on. If not, its another roguevalley Nov 2015 #36
SoS Gardner has nothing to do with Hillary MohRokTah Nov 2015 #74
Perception as Reality Beowulf42 Nov 2015 #16
Ahem.... Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #87
Ahem.... jeff47 Nov 2015 #88
so much for democracy, eh? oldandhappy Nov 2015 #4
Between Citizens United And The Corporate Control Of Both Parties - Can Anyone Claim Otherwise cantbeserious Nov 2015 #30
If true, well screw that and any assumed votes ... slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #7
^^^ This ^^^ cantbeserious Nov 2015 #29
Thx ... slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #32
Almost 60 Here - No Longer Willing To Be Taken For Granted - One Wants My Vote - Earn It cantbeserious Nov 2015 #34
Yes, slightly over 60, earn it or lose it :) nt slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #37
Agree Completely - Earn It or Lose It - Well Said cantbeserious Nov 2015 #41
Too old for changing updates which will sort themselves out, bottom line is I'll vote for whomever . slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #47
Perot, the 1%er who kept dropping in and out of the race, had no chance in part due to his racist Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #78
You voted for Perot? At least some of you are letting the masks slip Metric System Nov 2015 #58
Perot?! Codeine Nov 2015 #83
VE HAFF VAYS OFF MAKING YOU VOTE FOR HILLARY! Fumesucker Nov 2015 #10
Aaah...... Segami Nov 2015 #12
Der isht unly vun vay to goh frum herre, to der toiletz! Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #23
Why is the Democratic party committing suicide? tularetom Nov 2015 #13
They're not trying to commit suicide. They are trying to make sure that there is only one liberal_at_heart Nov 2015 #15
Personally - I Am Tired Of Being An Afterthought To The DNC DWS DLC Third-Way Party Establishment cantbeserious Nov 2015 #20
This is the SOS, NOT the Democratic Party MohRokTah Nov 2015 #76
Because oligarchs want a one party system. nt Zorra Nov 2015 #86
The DNC DWS DLC Third-Way Establishment Is Apoplectic About Bernie Becoming President cantbeserious Nov 2015 #18
He's giving some insight on what he'd like to do but Bernie will be on that ballot. pa28 Nov 2015 #19
"We'll see what he gives me"?????? Krytan11c Nov 2015 #21
It means "I'm pretending to not favor one candidate by doing this". (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #24
It's the line he has given since May JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #26
I doubt this is Constitutional. Bernie is a Democrat. He participates in the Democratic debates, still_one Nov 2015 #33
He's an Independent. There's an I next to his name in the Senate. shenmue Nov 2015 #52
Independents DO NOT PARTICIPATE in Democratic debates. Bernie aligns himself with the Democrats in still_one Nov 2015 #53
Well, yes, they do, if they have made a deal with the DNC. MADem Nov 2015 #65
It will be honored, and Sanders WILL be on the NH ballot. In fact the Democratic establishment will still_one Nov 2015 #68
Sounds like an opportunity to rile up the masses, like I said. MADem Nov 2015 #69
You are right still_one Nov 2015 #70
Exactly where in the Senate is there an I next to his name? merrily Nov 2015 #54
Right here. At the US senate dot gov website. He's not a Democrat. MADem Nov 2015 #64
Yes real Democrats voted for DOMA and defend that vote to this day! Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #80
I think he wants Bernie to slip him a 5-spot. nilram Nov 2015 #45
it's all about the optics: (enough in) the state party may be pro-Sanders, but there's MisterP Nov 2015 #25
K&R. People under 34 and many of the rest of us support Bernie Sanders. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #27
I support Hillary, but if this is true, murielm99 Nov 2015 #28
Welcome to the bloodsport that is the Democratic Party Dr. Doolittle Nov 2015 #81
This is the same bullshit that was being pitched around in June. First of all I do not think this still_one Nov 2015 #31
Thanks for adding some sanity to an otherwise ridiculous thread... SidDithers Nov 2015 #75
That is insane Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #85
Editing my post... Segami Nov 2015 #35
Thx, but she still has to EARN my vote .... slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #39
so why are there two different titles? Also, Gardner is NOT considered part of the Democratic still_one Nov 2015 #44
WTF? SoapBox Nov 2015 #38
The next article jfern Nov 2015 #43
Democracy in action. Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #40
Completely false dKos headline. Jim Lane Nov 2015 #42
I don't think many on DU care about evidence unless it supports their candidate still_one Nov 2015 #46
Bernie is fine Godhumor Nov 2015 #48
It is good you changed the OP title to more of an accurate description still_one Nov 2015 #49
DISGUSTING. AzDar Nov 2015 #50
Good way to Nader everything up. Good luck with that. Fearless Nov 2015 #51
The DNC has recognized him as a Dem; the Vermont Dem Party has recognized him as a Dem, what merrily Nov 2015 #55
I'd like to see the firestorm IF they don't allow Bernie on the ballot. Left Coast2020 Nov 2015 #56
I think this could be kabuki, to make a point. merrily Nov 2015 #57
And the way to do this is have the Democratic Party head escort him to the State office to register? brooklynite Nov 2015 #71
I live in Florida, and voted for Hillary in that clusterfuck of a primary, last time. djean111 Nov 2015 #62
Oh FFS... SidDithers Nov 2015 #63
From the replies in this thread... SidDithers Nov 2015 #66
Never let a fake outrage go to waste. sufrommich Nov 2015 #67
Not to mention that the Democratic Party Establishment that is escorting Sanders MohRokTah Nov 2015 #77
Worse. Pretty soon we'll hear that it's really a Karl Rove plot. randome Nov 2015 #79
Lol NCTraveler Nov 2015 #72
Bernie Sanders knew he wasnt a Democrat moobu2 Nov 2015 #73
As a Clinton supporter, I think that Sanders should be on the NH ballot Gothmog Nov 2015 #82

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
1. Hey look! It's 2008 ballot shenanigans again!
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:17 AM
Nov 2015

Remember back in 2008 when MI and FL moved their primaries up without DNC approval? The penalty was loss of their delegates, and all presidential candidates were supposed to remove their names from the primary ballots in those states.

Obama did.

Team Clinton didn't quite manage to file the paperwork. So she was on the ballot in those states while Obama wasn't.

It's so utterly surprising that there would be another name-on-ballot stunt!!

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
2. The old playbook came out of storage...
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:22 AM
Nov 2015

dust it off and use it again.......who would ever suspect?...

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
6. What was that?...
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:32 AM
Nov 2015

jfern

(5,204 posts)
3. You can count on Team Hillary to pull every dirty trick
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:23 AM
Nov 2015

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
5. Yep
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:28 AM
Nov 2015

And it doesnt sound like they have any confidence in their own polling, otherwise she would win "easily".

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
11. So the polls were FAKE? They REALLY must be worried if they are doing this. This will only
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:44 AM
Nov 2015

get even more support for Bernie.

Shameful, undemocratic behavior. I'm stunned.

Spread it all over Social Media. There should be a way to get as many people there as possible, AND THE PRESS if they try to deprive the people of their right to vote for a candidate of THEIR choice. It sure won't get any votes for THEIR candidate.

These people really are ruthless.

 

CheshireDog

(63 posts)
8. Hillary has nothing to do with this
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:41 AM
Nov 2015

jfern

(5,204 posts)
9. Sure, she'll just be the lucky winner if it happens
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:43 AM
Nov 2015

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
14. Now she does. We know, she knows. She needs to join Sanders in his effort to register and make
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:46 AM
Nov 2015

a public statement demanding that this not be done, this totally undemocratic attempt to suppress voters, in her name.

If she doesn't she owns it.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
59. Hillary Clinton doesn't have to help anyone get on any ballot.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 06:37 AM
Nov 2015

That is just ridiculous.

I'm sure he will be allowed on the ballot, and he will lose NH anyway.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
60. If she doesn't at least say anything in Bernie's defense on this, I don't want her to be president.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 06:42 AM
Nov 2015

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
61. She doesn't have to say anything. That is Bernie's campaign issue, not hers.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 06:44 AM
Nov 2015

He will be on the ballot in NH and he will lose NH anyways.

She aint afraid, she aint concocting a way to keep Bernie off the ballot.

And she doesn't need to meddle in his internal campaign issues.

To think otherwise is just ridiculous.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
84. Did anyone say she has to? No, what I said was if she doesn't 'she owns it' that
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:18 PM
Nov 2015

was in response to a claim that she had nothing to do with. NOW she does since she knows about and she can do the honorable thing or not.

The consequences of appearing to want to suppress the vote, whether she 'has to' or not, will be what she has to deal with, whether she wants them or not.

She can control what SHE chooses to do, she can't control the consequences.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
17. Right.....sure.......
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:56 AM
Nov 2015

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
22. The problem with having a history is people can see it.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:01 AM
Nov 2015

And we can see her campaign pulled ballot shenanigans in 2008.

In fact, she floated using "won the popular vote!!" via MI and FL results as the way to get superdelegates to overturn the results.....and then Obama won too many "regular" delegates for that to work.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
36. then she can return the email favor: tell them to put him on. If not, its another
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:39 AM
Nov 2015

bullshit move from her fixer, Debbie Schulz. PERIOD.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
74. SoS Gardner has nothing to do with Hillary
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 09:34 AM
Nov 2015

But reality never stopped the conspiracy theories from flying.

Beowulf42

(204 posts)
16. Perception as Reality
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:55 AM
Nov 2015

Hillary may not have anything to do with this, but she has to realize that these shenanigans are being done by her supporters and she will get the blame. That's the reality. DWS of the DCC and now this? Who is going to see it any other way. With friends like this Hillary doesn't need any Republicans.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
4. so much for democracy, eh?
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:24 AM
Nov 2015

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
30. Between Citizens United And The Corporate Control Of Both Parties - Can Anyone Claim Otherwise
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:20 AM
Nov 2015

eom

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
7. If true, well screw that and any assumed votes ...
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:40 AM
Nov 2015

we did not vote for Clinton and believed that 'sucking sound' and voted for Perot in the 90's.

The establishment counts continually on our votes, until they do not have them. It is already an uphill battle with the corporate donations and media.

President Carson or Trump, guess the Dems want to allow that to happen.

We are our own worst enemy, people get tired of always being cornered, like hogs lead to slaughter.








cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
29. ^^^ This ^^^
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:19 AM
Nov 2015

eom

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
32. Thx ...
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:32 AM
Nov 2015

not sure how many times my vote can be taken for granted, us old people just get tired.


cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
34. Almost 60 Here - No Longer Willing To Be Taken For Granted - One Wants My Vote - Earn It
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:37 AM
Nov 2015

eom

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
37. Yes, slightly over 60, earn it or lose it :) nt
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:41 AM
Nov 2015

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
41. Agree Completely - Earn It or Lose It - Well Said
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:48 AM
Nov 2015

eom

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
47. Too old for changing updates which will sort themselves out, bottom line is I'll vote for whomever .
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:06 AM
Nov 2015

I feel like it once I get in the booth.

To some that may seem counterproductive, but just voting for the D or R is not always productive. I know too many people who wish they had voted against their party, such as Bush, they'll never live it down! Nice people in many ways, but they took a wrong turn based upon some letter they associated themselves with years ago.



 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
78. Perot, the 1%er who kept dropping in and out of the race, had no chance in part due to his racist
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 09:45 AM
Nov 2015

views. The man was talking about sending the troops into 'neighborhoods' to go after drug dealers. The military, closing down neighborhoods. Is that something you supported?
I also remember his nasty comments about Asians. Individuals whom he spoke of using slurs.

But he said 'sucking sound' and so Martial Law for Drug Wars is somehow ok? I don't get that. A billionaire who made voting machines and wanted troops released in our cities.

I voted for Bill Clinton. I was thrilled to do so. Defeating the Reagan/Bush Machine was a matter of life and death for millions of people.

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
58. You voted for Perot? At least some of you are letting the masks slip
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 05:51 AM
Nov 2015
 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
83. Perot?!
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:48 AM
Nov 2015

Fuck me.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
10. VE HAFF VAYS OFF MAKING YOU VOTE FOR HILLARY!
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:43 AM
Nov 2015
 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
12. Aaah......
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:45 AM
Nov 2015

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
23. Der isht unly vun vay to goh frum herre, to der toiletz!
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:01 AM
Nov 2015

This post brought to you by -----

Shit!

Eat Shit New Hampshire Democratic Party Leaders . . . 8 Billion Flies Can't Be Wrong!!!

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
13. Why is the Democratic party committing suicide?
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:45 AM
Nov 2015

Is it worth destroying the party to try to put a terrible candidate in the White House?

The party barely tries to even be competitive in the down ballot races or in off year elections.

The party organizations (DNC, DSCC, DCCC) are a joke.

Half our candidates campaign against the president and the national party and consistently lose when they do.

We're always hearing that the republicans are self destructing, but at this rate, they'll be around long after the Dems have vaporized.

But hey, we'll finally have a woman president. Or not. Frankly, if they try to pull this and the Clinton campaign lets them, it's the kiss of death for her presidential hopes.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
15. They're not trying to commit suicide. They are trying to make sure that there is only one
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:48 AM
Nov 2015

candidate to vote for, the one they want. And they will try to bully voters into voting for the nominee no matter who wins the primary and if they don't get their way they will blame the voters. I will have no part of it. They will not force this on me.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
20. Personally - I Am Tired Of Being An Afterthought To The DNC DWS DLC Third-Way Party Establishment
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:59 AM
Nov 2015

Agreed - will not participate in a process that systematically eliminates participation by both candidates and voters.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
76. This is the SOS, NOT the Democratic Party
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 09:38 AM
Nov 2015

The chairman of the party is personally escorting Sanders to the SoS office and has sworn to use party money to take the case to court, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant against the party.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
86. Because oligarchs want a one party system. nt
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:57 PM
Nov 2015

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
18. The DNC DWS DLC Third-Way Establishment Is Apoplectic About Bernie Becoming President
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:57 AM
Nov 2015

eom

pa28

(6,145 posts)
19. He's giving some insight on what he'd like to do but Bernie will be on that ballot.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:57 AM
Nov 2015

Keeping him off any ballot at this point would tear the party to ribbons.

Krytan11c

(271 posts)
21. "We'll see what he gives me"??????
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:00 AM
Nov 2015

WTF is that supposed to mean.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
24. It means "I'm pretending to not favor one candidate by doing this". (nt)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:02 AM
Nov 2015

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
26. It's the line he has given since May
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:07 AM
Nov 2015

People just didn't think it would be a big deal. NPR ran a good story, including possible legal challenges. http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/24/416929786/this-quirky-new-hampshire-law-might-keep-sanders-off-the-ballot

still_one

(92,219 posts)
33. I doubt this is Constitutional. Bernie is a Democrat. He participates in the Democratic debates,
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:32 AM
Nov 2015

and he aligns himself with the Democrats in Congress. If somehow they ruled against him, he could have a massive write-in campaign, and if he got the most votes, which he very well might, he would win the primary

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
52. He's an Independent. There's an I next to his name in the Senate.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:23 AM
Nov 2015

still_one

(92,219 posts)
53. Independents DO NOT PARTICIPATE in Democratic debates. Bernie aligns himself with the Democrats in
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:28 AM
Nov 2015

Congress, and probably the most important:

The Chairman of the Democratic party in NH will insure Bernie is regarded as a Democrat and gets on the ballot.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
65. Well, yes, they do, if they have made a deal with the DNC.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 07:57 AM
Nov 2015

And Sanders has made a deal with the DNC.
That deal might not be honored by state parties, though.

Or maybe it will, and this is all political theater to rile up the masses...? Get them interested in an election?

See Bernie's "I" here at the senate.gov website: http://www.senate.gov/senators/contact/

still_one

(92,219 posts)
68. It will be honored, and Sanders WILL be on the NH ballot. In fact the Democratic establishment will
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 09:04 AM
Nov 2015

be going to NH to insure the SOS puts him on the ballot as a Democrat

This is really a non-issue.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251764812


MADem

(135,425 posts)
69. Sounds like an opportunity to rile up the masses, like I said.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 09:07 AM
Nov 2015

Fight the power, save the poor victim, etc. Get people out there riled and rallying, so they believe that their "people power" made the difference.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
70. You are right
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 09:11 AM
Nov 2015

merrily

(45,251 posts)
54. Exactly where in the Senate is there an I next to his name?
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:31 AM
Nov 2015

He got elected to the Senate as an Indie, but he's a Democrat now.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
64. Right here. At the US senate dot gov website. He's not a Democrat.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 07:55 AM
Nov 2015

He's an INDEPENDENT who is running under the umbrella of the DNC.

http://www.senate.gov/senators/contact/

Scroll down. There's that I you were looking for.


He only agreed to caucus with the Democrats on PROCEDURAL matters. He'll vote with us on rules, but he is not subject to the usual arm-twisting that most D-senators get on votes important to the White House.

He takes no direction from Harry Reid or the Democratic whips in the Senate.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
80. Yes real Democrats voted for DOMA and defend that vote to this day!
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 09:56 AM
Nov 2015

Terrible Bernie, he voted against DOMA, defying Bill Clinton. So horrible to not be a public part of a Party that shits on minorities for sport.

nilram

(2,888 posts)
45. I think he wants Bernie to slip him a 5-spot.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:01 AM
Nov 2015

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
25. it's all about the optics: (enough in) the state party may be pro-Sanders, but there's
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:03 AM
Nov 2015

exactly one candidate that this move would benefit--heck, there's exactly one candidate that repeating "Sanders isn't a Democratic candidate" would benefit

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
27. K&R. People under 34 and many of the rest of us support Bernie Sanders.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:12 AM
Nov 2015

He is not more "left" than FDR was. He is a Democrat. We Democrats want the chance to vote for him.

murielm99

(30,745 posts)
28. I support Hillary, but if this is true,
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:13 AM
Nov 2015

I don't like it.

 

Dr. Doolittle

(43 posts)
81. Welcome to the bloodsport that is the Democratic Party
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:13 AM
Nov 2015

still_one

(92,219 posts)
31. This is the same bullshit that was being pitched around in June. First of all I do not think this
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:27 AM
Nov 2015

is Constitutional. Second, there is no doubt he is running as a Democrat as evidenced by his participation in the Democratic debates, and his alignment with the Democrats in Congress. This garbage was first brought up in June by NH Republican congressman Charlie Bass. I can not see Bernie NOT being permitted to be on the ballot. If that actually happen, which I do not think it will, there would be a massive write-in vote for him, which he would win because of the outrage this would generate.

"former NH Republican congressman Charlie Bass has penned a WaPo op-ed suggesting that Bernie Sanders’ robust poll numbers in NH may not matter because he will not be elgible to run for president in the Granite State as a Democrat. Here’s the logic:

[S]tate law makes clear that candidates must be registered members of the party on whose ballot line they wish to appear.
This is a problem for Sanders, who is not a registered Democrat. One might ask why the good senator can’t simply change his registration in his home state from socialist or independent to Democrat. The answer is that Vermont doesn’t have a party registration system, so he can’t. Similar issues arose with the candidacies of Al Gore and both George H.W. and George W. Bush because, like Vermont, Tennessee and Texas do not register voters by party. But Gore and the Bushes qualified for New Hampshire’s primary ballots because they could show that they had previously appeared on ballots as a Democrat and Republicans, respectively. In his last election, Sanders likewise won the Democratic primary in Vermont, but he declined the nomination and asked that his name not appear on the general election ballot as a Democrat.
In short, Sanders is not a Democrat, has not been elected as a Democrat, has never served as a Democrat and cannot plausibly claim, at least in New Hampshire, to be a Democrat.
According to Bass, a State Ballot Law Commission would rule on any challenge to Sanders’ ballot access, and he thinks it would be compelled to exclude Bernie. Presumably the courts could offer a way around the Commission; I’m not sure what the legal or constitutional rationale would be, but it would be a mite strange to hold that an independent could not contest a primary in which independent voters are allowed to participate. And even if Bernie was to be excluded, he could always run a write-in campaign (which have been known to succeed in NH, viz. Henry Cabot Lodge in 1964)."

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_06/ballot_access_problem_for_bern056172.php

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
75. Thanks for adding some sanity to an otherwise ridiculous thread...
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 09:37 AM
Nov 2015


Sid

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
85. That is insane
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:22 PM
Nov 2015

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
39. Thx, but she still has to EARN my vote ....
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:44 AM
Nov 2015

looking at past history that is a slim bet.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
44. so why are there two different titles? Also, Gardner is NOT considered part of the Democratic
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:50 AM
Nov 2015

establishment

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
38. WTF?
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:43 AM
Nov 2015

He isn't sure?

You've got to be kidding.

Bombard this fool with calls and mails.

Of all the nerve.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
43. The next article
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:50 AM
Nov 2015

"Loud mean young white male Berniebros attacking the good Bill Gardner"

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
40. Democracy in action.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:48 AM
Nov 2015

I'll leave it at that to avoid the wrath of the alert brigade.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
42. Completely false dKos headline.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:49 AM
Nov 2015

The headline in the Daily Kos was: "BREAKING NEWS: New Hampshire Democratic Establishment May Not Let Bernie Sanders on the Ballot!" Segami, I appreciate your changing your post to remove that unsupported assertion.

This is not the state Democratic Party establishment. The comment (which was merely noncommittal, waiting to see what was filed) came from the Secretary of State. The New Hampshire Secretary of State is chosen by the state legislature. The incumbent who made this comment, Bill Gardner, has been in office since 1976. Per his Wikipedia bio, "He has been kept in office by both Democratic and Republican legislatures since then."

In short, he's not the state Democratic Party establishment. The OP reports that the state chair wants Sanders on the ballot. Now, it's conceivable that the state chair is saying that for public consumption, while privately ordering his docile minion Gardner to help Hillary Clinton tick off millions of people by excluding Sanders. But no one should propound such a CT without some fairly good evidence.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
46. I don't think many on DU care about evidence unless it supports their candidate
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:06 AM
Nov 2015

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
48. Bernie is fine
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:07 AM
Nov 2015

Bernie will be on the ballot in New Hampshire. But, in the mean time, I am enjoying tremendously theSlightations being levied on everything from Clinton faking polls to the DNC being "scared to death" of Bernie becoming president. And I know, just know, that when Bernie qualifies for the ballot there will be someone who believes that it was done so only with extreme reluctance.

For a bit more of an evenhanded view on the situation, let's go to public radio:

Sanders and his supporters have mostly brushed aside questions about any potential threats to his place on the New Hampshire ballot, which requires candidates to declare that they are a “registered member” of either the Republican or Democratic party. That said, the campaign has been bracing for the possibility — however slim — of being blocked.

So when Sanders shows up to the Secretary of State’s office Thursday afternoon to file for the primary, he’ll be escorted by New Hampshire Democratic Chairman Ray Buckley and prepared for a potential challenge to his eligibility.

...

"If they're going to run in the primary, they have to be a registered member of the party," Gardner told CNN when first asked in April. "Our declaration of candidacy form that they have to fill out says 'I am a registered member of the party.' "

...

Despite the lingering uncertainty from the Secretary of State’s office, Buckley was as confident as ever when asked earlier this week about the filing process that awaits Sanders. The party chairman has consistently stated plans to defend Sanders’ place on the ballot. Last month, Buckley released a letter addressed to the Secretary of State explaining that the state party “considers Senator Bernie Sanders to be a member of the Democratic Party.”

http://nhpr.org/post/sanders-campaign-preparing-possible-ballot-challenge-nh


Just relax. Your candidate is fine and will continue to be fine.

Edit: Sought changes to remove unwanted 2 am snark.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
49. It is good you changed the OP title to more of an accurate description
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:20 AM
Nov 2015

However, the final link in your OP, which I realize is not from you, but from daily's, still distorts their headline with "Democratic Establishment", when in fact there is no evidence to suggest that.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
50. DISGUSTING.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:21 AM
Nov 2015

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
51. Good way to Nader everything up. Good luck with that.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:21 AM
Nov 2015

merrily

(45,251 posts)
55. The DNC has recognized him as a Dem; the Vermont Dem Party has recognized him as a Dem, what
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:48 AM
Nov 2015

more does this clown want?

The majority of voters in Massachusetts are registered unenrolled (aka, indie). The day he Sanders barred from the ballot is the day I go to Boston City Hall to change my voter registration to unenrolled.

There is just so much undemocratic crap I can take. I think independents who change their voter registration previously, but changed it back to vote for Bernie in the primary will change back. And Millennials will upchuck. The party is shooting itself in the foot with this nonsense.

Left Coast2020

(2,397 posts)
56. I'd like to see the firestorm IF they don't allow Bernie on the ballot.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:54 AM
Nov 2015

I'm sure he'll be on it, but it'll stir up one hell of a hornets nest if he isn't.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
57. I think this could be kabuki, to make a point.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 04:03 AM
Nov 2015

NH probably has no legal reason to keep him off the ballot, but it doesn't need legal reasons for a press release. This is to impress on Democrats "This guy has not been a Democrat for years, like Hillary," even though there is no legal reason for it.

Either way, it's bullshit.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
71. And the way to do this is have the Democratic Party head escort him to the State office to register?
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 09:12 AM
Nov 2015
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
62. I live in Florida, and voted for Hillary in that clusterfuck of a primary, last time.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 06:55 AM
Nov 2015

I am older and wiser, now. If Bernie is kept off ANY ballots, the DNC can take complete ownership of saying Hello! to President Trump or Rubio or Jeb! or whichever bag of noxious gas rises to the "top".

I do not think anything like this happens without Debbie Wasserman-DINO knowing about or approving it. No matter what she dribbles out about it. And there will be a backlash - the newly political folks will see the election as a complete charade, and refuse to play the DNC game. Rahm Emanuel (DINO) and his contemptuous well, who else they gonna vote for! won't play so well when it is played again.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
66. From the replies in this thread...
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 08:56 AM
Nov 2015

I've learned that Bernie not being a Democrat is Hillary's fault.

Unbelievable.

Sid

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
67. Never let a fake outrage go to waste.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 09:00 AM
Nov 2015
 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
77. Not to mention that the Democratic Party Establishment that is escorting Sanders
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 09:44 AM
Nov 2015

To the office of the SoS, and promising to use party funds for a court challenge should Sanders not be on the ballot, are the ones making sure Sanders doesn't get on the ballot.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
79. Worse. Pretty soon we'll hear that it's really a Karl Rove plot.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 09:48 AM
Nov 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
72. Lol
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 09:15 AM
Nov 2015

I love it when people make news. Everyone seems to be following the Fox model. Truly a made up and non-existent story.

moobu2

(4,822 posts)
73. Bernie Sanders knew he wasnt a Democrat
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 09:21 AM
Nov 2015

when he reject the Democratic nomination for the seat he holds now....twice.

Bernie can't even follow the law like everybody else has to....It's all about him getting attention to him.

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
82. As a Clinton supporter, I think that Sanders should be on the NH ballot
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:23 AM
Nov 2015
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