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NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 05:19 PM Oct 2015

Yeah, getting a little sick of this shit.

Just so you know, you're not fooling anybody.

Yes, you.

The one who realized how much they were concerned about racial justice issues once the candidates started fighting over the African American vote.

The one who suddenly started being concerned about how badly the VA health system was broken when the other candidate said something wrong.

The one who now praises the activists you threw under the bus a few months ago.

The one who loves endorsements but despises advocates.

Yeah, you.

You're not fooling anybody.

Either care about our issues or don't, but don't think we don't see past the cynical electioneering.

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Yeah, getting a little sick of this shit. (Original Post) NuclearDem Oct 2015 OP
I cosign bravenak Oct 2015 #1
K&R ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #2
Big ass kick. Agschmid Oct 2015 #3
What are your views on the suggestion that supporters of a certain candidate... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #4
Putting it nicely: utterly tone deaf and ignorant. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #6
Where do you think the folks that believe that got the notion? DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #8
+1000 Katashi_itto Oct 2015 #24
Usually , you are one of the more perspicacious members of our board. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #29
+1000 Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #35
No, OP is referring to Clinton supporters JimDandy Oct 2015 #60
Hell yes. YOU'RE NOT FOOOLING ANYONE Number23 Oct 2015 #5
Looking at the Recs it seems a few people just don't get it. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #9
Like babe YOU???? n/t ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #62
I get everything but thank you for pointing out to me you think i don't, babe. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #64
K&R betsuni Oct 2015 #7
K&R nt NCTraveler Oct 2015 #10
Big k&r. nt sufrommich Oct 2015 #11
K&R mcar Oct 2015 #12
You couldn't mean me, I'm perfect! BootinUp Oct 2015 #13
Didn't you just post this OP? Fumesucker Oct 2015 #14
Why rage in just one forum when I can spread the anger to two? NuclearDem Oct 2015 #15
I'm trying to figure out exactly who you are enraged at.. Fumesucker Oct 2015 #16
K&R!! Damn Fucking Straight! Phlem Oct 2015 #17
No kidding. +1000 nt Live and Learn Oct 2015 #19
So the "chorus" can chime in as they did. 840high Oct 2015 #18
Yep. Not fooling anyone. And they continue lecturing a minority here about that minority's equality. stevenleser Oct 2015 #20
I look forward to your next Whoopi Goldberg or Kardassian coverage. Katashi_itto Oct 2015 #25
As a dispassionate observer it is incumbent upon me to address your character attack on Mr. Leser. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #30
It behooves me to mention that given the prevailing level of discourse ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #31
Are you suggesting these machinations are the function... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #32
While this almost certainly occurs, and with some regularity, ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #38
I haven't read DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #42
As hard as it is to believe ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #44
That's practically the nadir or apex, depending on your vantage point. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #45
And in hell ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #46
Does that mean our fellow members are aiming high or low? DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #47
They must needs always aim high ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #51
Laudable nonetheless, I think. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #53
... ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #54
ismnotwasm, that was one of the more enjoyable tete a tetes since I joined this board. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #55
That was fun, and I thank you ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #58
A little levity can go a long way. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #59
Which is about as deep as the level of bullshit of the OP and this subthread in paticular. Hiraeth Oct 2015 #48
As a fair and unbiased observer I must respectfully demur from your assessment of ismnotwasm DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #49
Indeed ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #52
- Hiraeth Oct 2015 #56
He was a great songwriter wasn't he? ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #57
Don't get hooked on me DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #63
*sigh* ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #67
Has he thought about writing for Jerry Springer maybe? With his talent, he could do it. Katashi_itto Oct 2015 #72
There are no barriers for a man with his gifts./nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #73
Agree! He might even consider XXX movie scriptwriting. Katashi_itto Nov 2015 #74
If he has the appropriate endowment and stamina he can be a star in his own movie. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #75
True. After working for Fox, he has more than proven Katashi_itto Nov 2015 #80
I don't believe that is his oeuvre but only he can say./nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #83
We are looking at an epic talent. Katashi_itto Nov 2015 #85
Yep. yep yep yep yep Chitown Kev Oct 2015 #21
KICK! Cha Oct 2015 #22
So, you agree that the Hillary campaign did the right thing in ushering out Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #23
I support BLM and I support their disrupting candidates' events. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #40
So if it had been the Aryan Nation you would have been equally ok with it? Persondem Oct 2015 #70
Minor difference between the Aryan Nations and BLM. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #71
Just when you think Clinton supporters can't sink any lower Crionas Oct 2015 #26
Hello bigwillq Oct 2015 #28
FIXED DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #39
Indeed. JTFrog Oct 2015 #65
... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #66
Kick and Rec JustAnotherGen Oct 2015 #27
Then stop doing it ibegurpard Oct 2015 #33
And I'm getting pretty sick Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #34
Edited. There is a lack of credibility by many here. When there is no credibility Autumn Oct 2015 #36
This isn't directed at one candidate's supporters. NuclearDem Oct 2015 #41
Isn't the entire point of BLM to get people to wake up, listen and change? Kentonio Oct 2015 #50
That's true. Maybe inform some of the folks upthread about that, though? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #61
Fucking nailed it... SidDithers Oct 2015 #37
Yep, shameless. Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #43
In post #41 the OP states he was talking about both sides Fumesucker Nov 2015 #77
K&R for being absolutely right... giftedgirl77 Oct 2015 #68
What the heck are you talking about? aikoaiko Oct 2015 #69
Let's start with the elementary schoolyard antics. longship Nov 2015 #76
All real effective politics is taking place within the Democratic party these days Fumesucker Nov 2015 #78
Well, I saw your post there, too. longship Nov 2015 #79
Well, poor you. sibelian Nov 2015 #81
""Favorite group: African American" NuclearDem Nov 2015 #88
They look around and only see ugliness from Hill fans.. they're so pure! I envy that pureness. LOL Cha Nov 2015 #82
I agree that some have shamelessly used BLM issues to smear Sanders and his supporters. Vattel Nov 2015 #84
Great OP Gothmog Nov 2015 #86
Kick Bobbie Jo Nov 2015 #87

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,675 posts)
4. What are your views on the suggestion that supporters of a certain candidate...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 05:34 PM
Oct 2015

What are your views on the suggestion that supporters of a certain candidate are victims who identify with their captors, like in the Stockholm Syndrome?


Thank you in advance

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,675 posts)
8. Where do you think the folks that believe that got the notion?
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 05:39 PM
Oct 2015

It seems to infantalize whole segments of society.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,675 posts)
29. Usually , you are one of the more perspicacious members of our board.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 07:07 AM
Oct 2015

I would request that you carefully read what he wrote, look at where the recommendations are coming from, and the comments in the thread and you will come to the appropriate conclusion to who and whom's supporters Nuclear Dem is referring to, or in the alternative you can just ask him via private message. I don't believe it is who and to whom's supporters you think.

I believe the opacity of the seminal poster was to avoid the attention of the alert crowd.

Thank you in advance.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,675 posts)
64. I get everything but thank you for pointing out to me you think i don't, babe.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:11 AM
Oct 2015
Like babe YOU???? n/t



I get everything but thank you for pointing out to me you think I don't, babe.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
14. Didn't you just post this OP?
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 05:50 PM
Oct 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027303049

First Afghanistan and now fucking Syria!

Hey dumbasses, remember that little mess at the VA you still haven't cleaned up? Maybe you finish taking care of the veterans you have now before you make new ones!

God fucking damn it, do we actually matter to any of you?!


I'm confused....

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
16. I'm trying to figure out exactly who you are enraged at..
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 06:12 PM
Oct 2015

You seem to have it in for just about everyone at the moment if I'm reading you correctly.

I think I posted this in your other thread.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
20. Yep. Not fooling anyone. And they continue lecturing a minority here about that minority's equality.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:52 PM
Oct 2015

Instead of listening.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,675 posts)
30. As a dispassionate observer it is incumbent upon me to address your character attack on Mr. Leser.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 07:10 AM
Oct 2015
I look forward to your next Whoopi Goldberg or Kardassian coverage.

-Katashi itto




As a dispassionate observer it is incumbent upon me to address your character attack on Mr. Leser. Such calumnies, whether implicit or explicit, should have no place on a progressive board.

Thank you in advance.

ismnotwasm

(41,856 posts)
31. It behooves me to mention that given the prevailing level of discourse
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:33 AM
Oct 2015

This type of rejoinder is common. Although farcical, nontheless it seems the default form of communication in a dearth of substantial cogitation.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,675 posts)
32. Are you suggesting these machinations are the function...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:35 AM
Oct 2015

Are you suggesting these machinations are the function of a limited mind, if not imagination?

ismnotwasm

(41,856 posts)
38. While this almost certainly occurs, and with some regularity,
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:48 AM
Oct 2015

I would not want to posit such a conclusion in this case, as it's more likly due to a basic pusillanimous character.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,675 posts)
42. I haven't read
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:52 AM
Oct 2015

I haven't read Dante's Inferno in a while but what level of Hell would the pusillanimous be consigned to?

Thank you in advance.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
48. Which is about as deep as the level of bullshit of the OP and this subthread in paticular.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:41 AM
Oct 2015

Honestly, kudos for some of the best I have ever read on here.

How you manage to go so low and yet raise the bar so high is a wonderment to me.

Truly, amazing.

I do believe I have watched a master at work.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,675 posts)
75. If he has the appropriate endowment and stamina he can be a star in his own movie.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 05:45 AM
Nov 2015

Mr. Leser is unbound by the boundaries that constrain mortal men.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
85. We are looking at an epic talent.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 11:07 AM
Nov 2015

Nothing is impossible for him.

Someone whose legacy will last seconds if not minutes beyond him when he is gone from this mortal coil.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
40. I support BLM and I support their disrupting candidates' events.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:50 AM
Oct 2015

I understand why security escorted them out, but if I'm choosing between a candidate and protestors, I'll choose the latter.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
70. So if it had been the Aryan Nation you would have been equally ok with it?
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:05 PM
Oct 2015

Or put more generally, you'd choose anarchy over a civil society?

Chaos only begets chaos.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
71. Minor difference between the Aryan Nations and BLM.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:05 PM
Oct 2015

And quite a difference between chaos and disruptive protesting.

 

Crionas

(18 posts)
26. Just when you think Clinton supporters can't sink any lower
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 04:10 AM
Oct 2015

They come out with something like this. Always cynically accusing others of what they do themselves.

JustAnotherGen

(31,501 posts)
27. Kick and Rec
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:32 AM
Oct 2015

The upside though about the sudden concern for black voters?


Today in GD I found an OP that linked to the Atlanta Black Star.

A black publication that is Not affiliated with Corny?


Amazing DU! They will appreciate the clicks!

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
34. And I'm getting pretty sick
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:38 AM
Oct 2015

of vile, hateful people who are ready and willing to point the finger at others when that hand should be holding up a mirror instead.

Autumn

(44,545 posts)
36. Edited. There is a lack of credibility by many here. When there is no credibility
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:43 AM
Oct 2015

there is no discussion.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
41. This isn't directed at one candidate's supporters.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:52 AM
Oct 2015

There are supporters on both sides I don't believe earnestly care about our issues.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
50. Isn't the entire point of BLM to get people to wake up, listen and change?
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:48 AM
Oct 2015

A lot of Sanders supporters were pissed off with the early protests because he is a candidate who has fought long and hard to minorities and it felt deeply unfair to seemingly single him out. Of course that 'unfairness' was just a drop in the vast seething ocean of unfairness that is the inequality in America today, and the terrible tribulations facing African Americans as they just try to live their lives in peace without risking death on the streets at the hands of the state.

I think over time the vast unfairness of race inequality has started to sink into people, and so we're seeing an positive evolution in a lot of peoples view of BLM and some sparks of understanding about why it really matters so very much. Looking back and saying 'well you didn't care enough then, so we don't want your support now' seems to completely undermine the entire point of what BLM is trying to achieve. There are doubtless people just using it as an excuse to attack rival candidates, but I think it would be very dangerous to jump to that conclusion and risk undermining progress already made.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
77. In post #41 the OP states he was talking about both sides
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 06:06 AM
Nov 2015

I agree with the OP, there are people on both sides who don't care about the issues and are being disingenuous asshats.



 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
68. K&R for being absolutely right...
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:18 PM
Oct 2015

It's the same one's that are now either claiming the support the President and/or like to pull out a black man that is saying something they agree with only to be bashing him a few months prior.

Tone deaf hypocrites.

aikoaiko

(34,077 posts)
69. What the heck are you talking about?
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:01 PM
Oct 2015


It's looks like the club knows what this is about given who is rec-ing this OP.

longship

(40,416 posts)
76. Let's start with the elementary schoolyard antics.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 05:52 AM
Nov 2015

I have never seen such juvenile behavior!

DU utterly sucks these days! Bernie vs Hillary! For Christ sakes people, you are forgetting about the fucking GOP clown car.

GROW THE FUCK UP!

I am disgusted by DU.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
78. All real effective politics is taking place within the Democratic party these days
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 06:12 AM
Nov 2015

The Republicans are the far far right these days, everyone else, just the normal right, the center and the left are smushed into the Democratic party, of course it makes for a lot of internal conflict, how could it be any other way?

Eliminate the conflict from GD-P and it will look just like the Interfaith group, 11 posts in the last 30 days.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251752601



longship

(40,416 posts)
79. Well, I saw your post there, too.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 06:39 AM
Nov 2015

My opinion is that one should try to get along, meaning that one should err on the side of agreement and common cause.

That is how to make DU a better place. Other tactics do not seem to work so well.

My best to you, my friend.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
81. Well, poor you.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 06:46 AM
Nov 2015

Maybe your utterly vast and overwhelming concern for the dispossessed will extend beyond whatever you need to pretend it is to contrast yourself with opponents on an Internet fucking message board.

Maybe one day you'll post something that's actually about black people instead about something that somebody else thinks about black people.

I'm not holding my breath.

Cha

(294,597 posts)
82. They look around and only see ugliness from Hill fans.. they're so pure! I envy that pureness. LOL
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 06:50 AM
Nov 2015
 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
84. I agree that some have shamelessly used BLM issues to smear Sanders and his supporters.
Sun Nov 1, 2015, 08:05 AM
Nov 2015

Last edited Sun Nov 1, 2015, 09:01 AM - Edit history (2)

I don't support everything BLM does. It's a large and diverse group, of course, and individual members don't always act well. I do agree with their basic views (e.g., that mass incarceration is an abomination, that police departments need better policies and training and accountability so that horrible things like what happened to Tamir Rice and Sandra Bland and Eric Garner don't happen so often), but I don't agree with some of the more specific views held by many members (e.g., that it is clear that Michael Brown was murdered).

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