2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf Hillary wins the election the transition team will give the first indication of how
she will govern if it's Wall Streeters we're fucked but if she hires progressives that will give us an indication she's changed. The cabinet is confirmation.
villager
(26,001 posts)...once the first raft of cabinet appointments was announced last time...
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)after the election to find out if it's Wall Streeters or real progressive. I don't think I want to take that chance. I'd rather support and vote for someone I already know is a genuine progressive who will do everything he can to make life better for the 99%.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)but at the moment it's close. I will keep fighting until it's over. I will vote for Hillary, but I won't donate to her or the party.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)the Inevitable Hillary bullshit that I could scream.
I keep on remembering -- do you remember that really nice African American in 2008 who was silly enough to think he could run for President? He was a newly elected Senator, had a weird name. Of course, it was obvious to the most casual observer that the country wasn't even remotely ready for a Black President. Wonder whatever happened to him.
It's the same thing now. Hillary is too old in important ways that have nothing to do with the fact that she's several years younger than Senator Sanders. She has somewhat limited experience on Capitol Hill herself, and her time as Secretary of State does not leave me with a warm and fuzzy feeling. She'd continue and probably even expand our wars around the globe, and then totally buy into the idea that we can't afford Medicare and Social Security at the current rates. I don't trust her not to shrink them as much as the Republicans want. I don't trust her to stand up to their insistence at cutting taxes for the wealthy. In short, I see very little genuine good coming out of a Clinton 2 Presidency. She'd be better than the extremes of Republicans currently running, but even that is not saying much.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)climb is steeper than Obama add in the fact he's an outsider and you have Bernie's situation. Not mention his wanting to make major changes to industry.
artislife
(9,497 posts)I cannot see me voting for her.
At all.
But my heart might heal by the time November rolls around.
might do, could happen, can't know yet.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)And no reason to gamble on it, either, with Sanders in the race.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)They just want to get the ball rolling and get the job done, not create popularity contests and give jobs for political reasons rather than who is qualified to do the job.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)transition team.
treestar
(82,383 posts)and the means what? They are only taking on a job that the President is in charge of. Obama got a lot of crap from the right for appointing "communists" too. Are you not ready to praise him for appointment of Communists?
It's hilarious how we are to hate people and suspect them simply for having experience in finance. Not in the real world.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)They did a job they were qualified to do.
And you ignored my point about the communists. I talk to right wingers, and learned from them that Obama also appointed communists. Please give Obama credit for appointing these communists. It makes about as much sense (well less, since right wingers have less sense). One of these was named Van Jones. I was assured by my right wingers this proved Obama is a communist. Indeed, Obama has turned us into a Marxist State.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)regularly? Obama wanted the grand bargain, and so did the GOP establishment, but the crazies hated anything he did. By the way the grand bargain big pile of austerity.
I don't vote people because tea baggers hate them, I vote for candidates who represent me.
treestar
(82,383 posts)all together. The idea I could find one to represent "me" is beyond my comprehension. I'm not that egotistical. Whoever is in office gets to consider others besides me.
And some of those others insist Obama has turned us into a Marxist State. Well good. It is nice to listen to the opposition sometimes. You realize you are winning.
imthevicar
(811 posts)OH Shit we should have voted for Sanders.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Hillary Clinton will do nothing to change the status quo.
artislife
(9,497 posts)something wonderful.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Bernblu
(441 posts)Is their any doubt about it??? It's what the 3rd way Democrats do. We should not be politically blind and naive. I say to Hillary supporters vote for Hillary if you must but do so knowing full well that she will fully support Wall Street. Do not insult my intelligence as a Sanders supporter and tell me she will be a progressive. She has been DLCer and is now a third way Democrat and is only progressive on social issues and even then she follows behind the populace.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)Look at Larry Summers and the like getting very prominent roles.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Response to JRLeft (Original post)
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