The calls are getting louder for a Sanders/Warren ticket

[pinebox]

Elizabeth Warren for VP on a Sanders ticket?
The calls are getting louder.


Why Elizabeth Warren Should Be Our Next Vice President--if Bernie Sanders becomes president, she could indeed be our vice president
http://theodysseyonline.com/washington-state/elizabeth-warren-vice-president/187181

Elizabeth Warren could, in fact, be our next vice president. If she is, it would be a great thing for our economy and future! Why you might ask? Warren has been a senator from Massachusetts since Jan. 3, 2013. She is 66-years-old, has two daughters, and is a woman we all should be paying attention to for her commitment to helping women and our economy.

Warren is very adamant about helping our economy and reducing our debt. Some of you may be thinking, "blah, boring," but the truth is, Millennials really need to heed the staggering $18.2 trillion debt we have as a country. This level of debt is going to drastically change all of our lives when we are out of school.

Think about it: If the debt toll keeps going up, we are not going to have Social Security or any money to help us when we retire (unless you have a stash of your own, which I recommend you do!). If the country's debt keeps increasing, so will our taxes, and then eventually, our economy will collapse.

This wouldn't be a little recession; it would be a much more drastic event that would cause everything we need and want to stop being supplied.

So with this knowledge, it is very important we find politicians who really want to improve our debt crisis. Whether you know a lot about it or not, we as citizens of this country need to be prepared. That is why we need Elizabeth Warren!

She has a law degree, which shows that she has experience handling analysis in bankruptcy and middle-class personal finance. She can help us figure out what we need to do to keep the economy from crashing and has proven many times in debates about the economy that she knows what she is taking about.

Since Warren is a Democrat, people automatically assume she will look at the economy as being half full and revolving around "Well we are making more jobs so we don't need to worry about how inflation is actually ruining those jobs being given in the first place", but in reality she provides the problems in our economy and also gives resolutions for those issues. She is a very intelligent woman, and the one woman I know I'd be able to trust with my money.

Another huge thing she is doing is standing up for us women and our rights. This summer, Warren recently addressed her stance on Planned Parenthood explaining how important women's health is, and how upset she is that our government is trying to take that away from us by defunding Planned Parenthood.

It's so amazing to have a woman politician who is adamant about helping women and keeping our rights to free birth control, cancer screenings, and abortions available.

So if Bernie Sanders happens to become our next president in 2016, Elizabeth Warren would be an amazing addition to his staff.

[JRLeft]

1. She would have more power in the Senate find a true progressive with less power, but high prestige.

[Pastiche423]

62. + 1,000,000

We NEED her right where she is. Already we don't have enough progressive senators.

We simply can not afford to lose her in the senate.

[Zorra]

75. Good point, but then again, I'd feel a lot safer if she was next in line for POTUS. nt

[JTFrog]

2. "It's so amazing to have a woman politician who is adamant about helping women and keeping our right

"It's so amazing to have a woman politician who is adamant about helping women and keeping our rights to free birth control, cancer screenings, and abortions available. "

Yes it is. It's one of the big reasons I support Hillary.

Thanks for posting.

[zappaman]

3. Ok. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. Why didn't anybody call me? Because I'm a poor plebeian.

Sounds neither democratic or Democratic.

[TwilightGardener]

4. I think that should happen.

[workinclasszero]

5. Going from the Senate to a VP spot

is a giant downgrade.

I kinda doubt that Sen. Warren would be interested in doing that.

[99th_Monkey]

11. I don't think Joe saw it that way

and he has been a damn good VP.

[workinclasszero]

15. Yes he has been

But I still think Sen. Warren wouldn't do it.

And two white people from the east coast is a very unbalanced democratic national ticket IMO.

Just my opinion

[99th_Monkey]

31. Glad we can agree to disagree

without any acrimony

[workinclasszero]

36. Me too

[pinebox]

13. What?

How would Elizabeth Warren be a giant downgrade?
Explain please.

[workinclasszero]

30. Changing from a sitting Senator

to a vice president's job is the downgrade.

Nothing at all against Sen. Warren, just the job swap.

[cascadiance]

45. I think it helps her heavily if she wants to run for president perhaps as early as 2020...

Having that experience as VP along with her senatorial experience, and if Clinton isn't elected as president, presenting the opportunity for a woman finally to be president would in my book wouldn't be a downgrade.

Now from progressives' point of view, perhaps they are concerned about the downgrade in the Senate of progressive representation with both Bernie and her leaving the senate for the White House. I think that is more of a challenge than an automatic "downgrade", by presenting the opportunity for more progressive politicians to get elected and step in to represent Vermont and Massachusetts, which collectively would then increase progressive power in general as a whole the more individuals you add to that circle of power. We shouldn't be telling progressives to just stay where they are and hold on to power that they have, but to try to reach higher when they can, and also foster others to go up the ladder underneath them and take those positions they leave. That is the way we'll build real progressive power back in to government and take away from the corporatist cancer that has infected both parties now.

I also think that whoever the nominee is, they should find a VP selection that closely represents their views and those who support them too. If you don't, you put the president in more of a position of being threatened by political assassination by those who want to change the hands of government through that action if they feel that the VP is aligned with different interests (corporate owned or not corporate owned, etc.) than the presidential candidate. I don't want to see that sort of event happen, but when we live in difficult times where climate change is threatening us, and we are still on the brink of financial collapse if not careful, these kind of threats I think are more real than they have been in the past.

Picking some regional balance makes some degree of sense, if there are options to improve the ticket in that way, as that isn't a difference of philosophy, but just trying to appeal to a different region of voters. I wouldn't mind Bernie picking someone like my senator Jeff Merkley, who I think would be a great progressive partner for him at the top too, even if it would mean that perhaps we here in Oregon might have to go through what Massachusetts and pick two new progressive senators if we have to pick a replacement for Merkley, as well as perhaps one for Wyden, who some still here maybe want DeFazio to primary for his leadership to put in place the TPP and other corporate serving "free trade" legislation. I think it would be then a challenge to our progressive demographic here to get two newer progressive pols up the ladder to build the collective progressive power base at the high levels of our government. Though Sanders is regionally more tied to Vermont and to the east coast, he's less regionally tied than other east coast politicians in the purest sense like O'Malley is, since he has a national audience when talking on Thom Hartmann each week, and even though the demographic of Hartmann's show is a bit more narrow than someone getting nationwide visibility through some other national office, etc., it is not as regionally locked in as some other candidates are. He then has the seeds in many other regions to spread the word to those that don't watch Hartmann who Bernie is at the grass roots level.

I think what Bernie would face as a president in terms of turning around our economy and repairing the system that has been so corrupted is probably more than one presidential term or even two terms to solve, and will likely need to have a concentrated effort for three terms or more consecutively to really fix these problems the way FDR did the last time we faced them. That is why having a VP like Warren would be good to perhaps set up those potential three terms to do this.

[workinclasszero]

50. You might be right on that

Its just the "conventional wisdom" that the VP job is..

"Is not worth a bucket of warm spit. John Nance Garner

It doesn't always have to be that way I'm sure.

[Live and Learn]

27. Not at all. VPs can hold lots of power, ask Cheney. nt

[workinclasszero]

46. Well in Darth Vader's case

he was the president.

Dumbo just got to read stories to school kids while the twin towers burned.

Wonder when the republicans are going to start up an investigative committee on that eh?

[MineralMan]

6. It would be very unusual for a presidential candidate

to announce a VP choice at this point in the campaign. It would also be unusual for a VP candidate to agree this early. There are good reasons for that.

Usually, VP choices are made at the national convention, and not before. So, people can call for Warren to pair up with Sanders, but that's not of a lot of importance during the primaries and caucuses. Warren wouldn't agree to it, anyhow, unless she was pretty sure Sanders would get the nomination.

You said that calls are getting louder for this. Do you have any other sources to indicate that, other than the link you offered? I've never heard of that blog, frankly.

[pinebox]

12. A few

http://ringoffireradio.com/2015/07/19/what-a-sanders-warren-ticket-means-historic-world-change-for-the-better/
http://www.sanders-warren2016.com
I've been starting to see #SandersWarren2016 pop up pretty often on twitter. https://twitter.com/search?q=sanderswarren2016&src=typd

Agreed with what you said.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. You seem like a stalwart Democrat

The calls are getting louder for a Sanders/Warren ticket

Why didn't you get a call?

[MineralMan]

23. I have no idea. My phone hasn't been ringing much.

Oh well...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Me neither but I ascribe it the fact I am just a poor plebeian...

It must be the important folks who are calling one another.

[MineralMan]

41. Well, I think that the OP is talking about public calls to action.

Of course, the sources he quotes are pretty partisan for a particular candidate, so I have to take them for what they are. I haven't heard any such calls, but I don't go to any of those sites. I guess that's why I didn't hear the calls.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. Seems elitist to me to confine your calls to certain people...

If not elitist then certainly exclusionary.

[cui bono]

64. Is that the new meme against Sanders? Elitist? Exclusionary?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. I was just musing that plebeians like me weren't consulted about this potential duo.

eom

[cui bono]

68. So Hillary supporters should be consulted about a Sanders running mate or it is elitist?

How ridiculous. Can't wait to see if this talking point actually makes the rounds or not.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. I am sad that you feel my status as a plebeian is ridiculous. We all can't be high earners.

[cui bono]

71. What does that mean? In all seriousness, why do you bring up the term "high earners"?

I know you're just being snarky, but I really do want to know what that has to do with anything.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

72. I merely pointed out that I wasn't called. I attribute it to being a poor plebe.

I am glad you are part of the important people. My place is with the hoi polloi.

[cui bono]

73. Ntohing you have said follows any sort of logic. Why are you attempting to insult now

by saying this about me and this situation?

I am glad you are part of the important people.

Where do you get that from? You are assuming two things you have no knowledge of, why is that?

I know you are trying to pretend you're just being silly, but you are inserting thinly veiled insults into your nonsense and your nonsense is not only nonsensical it is illogical. Even being silly works best when logical.

[Historic NY]

7. Unless he secures the nomination via the primaries it won't happen...

call all they want. Two Northeast Liberals doesn't balance the Democratic Ticket. Its people that sound like they don't have much knowledge of Democratic politics. It offers nothing, there are many reasons perhaps a swing state but having two solid blue stater's is a waste.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_mate

[pinebox]

8. I don't know

Clinton/Gore were from the same regions They seemed to do ok.

[Historic NY]

20. Bush - Perot - Clinton......92

3 way race and Clinton wanted to split off the southern electoral vote to help southern Democrats down ticket. They were successful in picking off Mississippi, Georgia, Louisiana, West Va., Missouri, Kentucky, and their home states of Tennessee & Arkansas

Note, no election since was successful in achieving that feat.

[pinebox]

24. Quite true

but Biden and Obama were pretty much cut from the same mold. Lots of similarities there.
All in all, we'll see what happens in the coming months.

[demwing]

22. Check mate

that "balance the ticket" meme is tired and overrated.

[appalachiablue]

63. Also Warren has deep roots in Oklahoma where she was born and raised, has lived

in DC, Houston and New Jersey as a student and worked in Texas, before she got to Mass. So she's lived in plenty of places which gives her broader appeal. I wish she would join Sanders ticket, Dy-no-mite!

Clinton-Gore indeed broke the same region ju-ju.

[cascadiance]

47. Do any other east coast pols have NATIONAL audiences weekly for almost the last decade like Bernie?

I think that makes for a different variable when trying to position him as only an "east coast" candidate. Many of us nationally know him from his national weekly town halls on Thom Hartmann's large radio/television audience of his shows. Now, that might be a more narrow demographic than other national means of visibility that perhaps other politicians have, but nontheless, it provides the roots for a national campaign that Bernie has an advantage over many other regional candidates like O'Malley, who is really unknown outside of the east coast compared to Bernie's familiarity with pockets of support in every state in this country.

I think that form of national visibility has also helped Donald Trump a lot too on the Republican side, even if he doesn't have much direct political experience himself.

[UglyGreed]

9. Sanders/Warren

would win in a landslide. We could only hope for such a ticket.

[treestar]

14. not this again!

Warren would not commit to running for President, why would she want to be Vice President?

Another fantasy, what if Hillary picks her? Heads explode!

[pinebox]

18. Warren also isn't committing to a senate run

in 2018.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/elizabeth-warren-reelection-2018-senate-run-121657

[riversedge]

29. Whow. actually I have never thought of that..

[99th_Monkey]

16. K&R - That is indeed my idea of a dream ticket for 2016. n/t

[wyldwolf]

17. the odyssey online - quite the loud and influential source.

[pinebox]

19. lol

Because that suddenly matters. Damned if you, damned if you don't with you Hillary supporters, it's rather comical.
Starwman much?

[wyldwolf]

34. lol

yet another misuse of the term 'straw man' by a Sandersnista.

[pinebox]

35. Sure

You're basically attacking the messenger, not the post. Pretty evident. Thanks anyways and have a nice day.

[wyldwolf]

38. you bet

You're basically attacking the messenger, not the post.

And that isn't a strawman. Learn logical fallacies. Or not.

The OP invites scrutiny of the source by quoting it.

[pinebox]

40. Yawn

Yadda yadda yadda.
"The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition "

Ding. Done.

[wyldwolf]

42. snort

The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition "

Which isn't what I did. The OP's source is laughable. Tell us, what other sources are calling for this pairing to make your source 'louder.'

Ding. Done.

SURE you are.

[riversedge]

26. golly-are you ears tuned into space critters??

[pinebox]

37. Well that's mature

can I play in the sandbox too with the kiddies? I'll bring the pooper scooper to shovel out your bullshit. Deal?

[riversedge]

48. You will need the pooper scooper for your own BS. Cheers

[BeyondGeography]

28. Choosing imaginary running mates is one of the five stages of grief of flailing campaigns

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. Shock and denial is the first stage so some folks have a long way to go./nt

[riversedge]

49. A very LLLLLLLLLLLLong way.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

54. As exemplars to the world we HRC supporters will be there to comfort them...

As exemplars to the world we HRC supporters will be there to comfort them every step of the way.

[cui bono]

65. So the Dems are doomed then since Julian Castro has been brought up as Clinton's running mate

already.

[left-of-center2012]

32. First, he needs to get the nomination

Second, if we take back the Senate, make her Majority Leader to push through progressive policies.

[BooScout]

33. If Elizabeth didn't want to run for President....

...why on earth would she want to be VP? ....and why would she want to be a running mate of someone who is not going to be the Democratic Party nominee anyway? The author of this article asks us to 'think about it'.....my suggestion is that she is the one that needs to think about a few things.

[Vinca]

43. A person might want to be VP in preparation for a presidential run.

Also, candidates do not choose their running mates until they've won the nomination. If she were to end up as Bernie's VP, I suspect the role of Vice President would change dramatically. I bet Bernie would make her mission the degreedification (new word) of Wall St.

[cascadiance]

53. She wouldn't agree to being on his ticket until after he got the nomination (which is NOT decided!)

... or many would have said Obama should have given up at this point of the campaign when he was further behind Clinton back in 2007. He was wise not to yield to the corporate propaganda then, as Bernie and Warren shouldn't be this time around either.

Many early critiques of her as a presidential candidate when many of us were looking for her to run for president was her lack of experience on the scope of international politics, etc., which a position as VP would eliminate as a concern were she to run for president later that coupled with her unmatched experience on financial issues would make her a prime presidential candidate either in 2020 or 2024 if she were to run then after being a VP for Bernie this next term.

Where she might want to try and take on Wall Street money, etc. with her more limited political experience, etc. to run for president now, I think later if the cards were more in her favor with relevant experience, I think she'd be more apt to run then. I think that she published her own book recently shows that she still has higher goals to achieve, and we shouldn't try to say she doesn't aspire to these sort of positions just yet.

[cwydro]

44. Is she even interested?

I'm thinking not.

[chillfactor]

52. sorry...

I would prefer a Clinton/Castro ticket myself/

[leftofcool]

55. Oh please!

[arcane1]

56. She needs to stay in the Senate. We can't afford to have both of them out!

[dreamnightwind]

57. I would much rather see her help him win the nomination

She would be invaluable if she would join the campaign effort. She could and probably should remain a Senator rather than VP, but she could hellp get herself the ultimate ally in the White House for her policies, and in campaigning for Bernie she would have a even larger national stage from which to ramp up support for her fight for the 99%.

I wonder if there is any other job she would want, such as Treasury? Justice?

Unless she's POTUS, she's probably in the right place in the Senate. But Bernie needs her help, and ideologically they're a natural pairing.

She's the wildcard, I have no idea where she stands, probably hedging her bets rather than wanting to be an outsider should Hillary win. To hell with that, if she lends her mighty shoulders we'll move this thing in the right direction.

[GeorgeGist]

58. I don't think so.

I am a transfer student in love with journalism and my aspiration is to become a News Broadcaster. I love writing especially opinion pieces but news pieces will always be a passion (I mean you'd hope so since I want to do this for a living). I am 19 years old with an AAS degree and looking forward to graduating with my BS in Broadcast Journalism from the Edward R. Murrow School of Communication with an emphasis in advertising and a minor in Spanish in Spring 2017. Which means I will finally be 21 with two degrees woohooo! (More so for the being 21 part). I am a big advocate for bullying awareness and look forward to using myself as a platform to further this passion. I am blessed and look forward to seeing where my future takes me!

http://theodysseyonline.com/author/nicoleclements

[Stellar]

59. The calls got louder too when they wanted Senator Warren to run for POTUS.

I just can't see Warren playing second fiddle to nobody in the democratic party. She is much to valuable for that.

[MohRokTah]

60. .

[hollowdweller]

61. I love Warren but I don't think the debt is a big problem.

Deficit is declining. Revenues are looking ok.

People are still financing our debt at LOW interest rates.

There is a danger of a GOP president and congress wasting the declining deficit by tax cuts and wars like Bush, but things as they are not a huge threat right now.

[Sheepshank]

67. I may need some hearing aids

I'm just not hearing what you are hearing.

On second thought, my last test came back just fine, I don't think these loud and increasong calls are happening outside of the Bernie bubble. And within the Bernie bubble we hear things like taking all 50 states, so there is that.

[in_cog_ni_to]

70. That's an unbeatable ticket.

Perfect, in fact.

I have that bumper sticker on my car already. Sanders/Warren 2016

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[pinebox]

74. What a Sanders-Warren Ticket Means: Historic World Change for the Better

What a Sanders-Warren Ticket Means: Historic World Change for the Better
http://ringoffireradio.com/2015/07/19/what-a-sanders-warren-ticket-means-historic-world-change-for-the-better/
What would a Bernie – Elizabeth Administration look like – and what would it mean for this country and the entire world?

Before delving into the possibilities, it’s important to understand the reality of how American government works. Historically, the American people overestimate the legal powers of the Executive Branch. They give presidents too much blame when things go wrong and too much credit when things go right.

When it comes to domestic issues, however, the President has relatively little power. Congress does. Bernie has been very forthcoming about this issue. During his recent appearance on Face The Nation, he said, “electing Bernie Sanders as president is not enough…We need a mass grassroots movement.” A big part of that will be making certain that a Sanders Administration has a Congress it can work with – not the obstructionist legislature that has hamstrung Obama over the past eight years.

This said, let’s imagine Bernie Sanders as President and Elizabeth Warren as vice-president. If Congress has so much power over domestic issues, what can the Executive do?

As President, Bernie would have the legal power to veto legislation. He can nominate federal court judges and appoint members of his Cabinet. Although both of these are subject to congressional approval (through the confirmation process), Bernie would have considerable influence by offering or withdrawing support for members of Congress when election time comes around. Voters listen to a popular president, and all politicians know this.

Likewise, the president can propose a federal budget, requesting how money is spent. Again, the executive can only make requests. The power to allocate those funds still resides in Congress. That said, a President Sanders would again exert power and influence over the issue by taking his case directly to the electorate. It would then be up to all of us to pressure our Senators and Representatives into agreeing with the President’s request – or plan on looking for new jobs after the next election.

This is a big part of what Bernie is talking about when he speaks of a “a mass grassroots movement that looks the Republicans in the eye.”
And what about Elizabeth Warren as Vice-President?

As the first U.S. Vice-President under George Washington, John Adams said, “In this, I am nothing – but may be everything.” When it comes to executive power, this is true; Warren’s primary function is to step in should President Sanders be unable to carry out his executive duties. However, as VP, Elizabeth would also preside over the Senate. In an evenly-divided Senate, it would be up to Warren to cast the deciding vote. While recent “supermajority” rules have diminished this power somewhat, Warren – like Sanders – would still have great influence. For example, the VP can appoint a temporary Senate president (“president pro tempore”), which is usually a Senator of the majority party who has served the longest.

[brooklynite]

76. And by "calls", you mean one blog post?

[pinebox]

82. By supporters

See Warren2016 and also twitter how the talk is heading towards that ticket. No different than calls for Castro to be on Hillary's ticket.

[gwheezie]

77. This is the 1st I've heard of this

I want Barbara Lee to be VP.

[pinebox]

83. Really?

It's been around awhile now but the calls are getting louder.

?



'

[Thinkingabout]

78. Why would Elizabeth want to be vice president?

[pinebox]

84. Why would anybody

want to be VP?

[still_one]

79. We finished the Warren is running for President memo, then the Biden is running for President memo,

and now we are back to Senator Warren "may be convinced to run as Bernie's VP" memo

When Senator Warren said she wasn't running for President in 2016, for months people would not believe that. Well guess what, she is not going to run for VP in 2016 either, for the same reason she didn't run for President.

hey, but it is fun to throw it out isn't it

[pinebox]

85. Not too sure

Anybody is an option but that won't stop people for wanting that ticket.
I will admit, it would be unstoppable.

[still_one]

88. Desiring something, and actually getting it are two different things. For the time being she is

staying in the Senate, and can get more done there, than as a VP

[George II]

80. If she didn't want to run for President, why would she settle......

......for 2nd place on a mythical losing ticket?

[pinebox]

86. Losing ticket?

Ha! Sure. The 2 biggest populists on a ticket will lose. You keep thinking that lol

[William769]

81. Why would Senator Warren join a non existent ticket?

She has already given props for a Hillary White House.

She is happy in the Senate and she is effective in the senate. That's where she will more than likely stay.

[pinebox]

87. Why would Castro

want to be on a ticket with Hillary?
Keep in mind this as well http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251725011