2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders supports keeping troops in Afghanistan.
And so does Hillary.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5623b601e4b08589ef47bdaa
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)appropriation bills to fund all wars since. I wonder if his supporters know this?
djean111
(14,255 posts)he doesn't like that we have all those soldiers over there, but he also does not want them to not be armed and fed and so on. Since they have no control over being there.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)on other blogs and sites. They're usually under the false assumption that Sanders is a pacifist being that he was a conscientious objector during the Viet Nam war. They're usually surprised as heck when I disabuse them of that myth,
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)There is an entire list of reasons to not support Hillary. The candidates both agreeing on keeping troops in Afghanistan does not even dent that list. Bernie's supporters are not purists, and they are not single-issue voters.
BootinUp
(47,144 posts)many many people who consider themselves knowledgeable about politics have opinions of Hillary that are based as much OR MORE on myth, than reality.
djean111
(14,255 posts)A lot of googling since then. I was not really aware of much that actually happened; I was likely a victim of Bill's affability and charm. Third Way, Bosnia sniper lies, traveling the world pushing fracking and the TPP, advocating for more h-1B visas, refusing to sign off on limiting cluster bombs, ties with Wall Street. As a woman, I am disgusted with the gender card stuff - that is not what women's lib was all about. I do not trust her to do anything she says.
I would have been just as happy with Elizabeth Warren - she and Bernie are similar on many issues. but I cannot in good conscience enable any more Third Way DINO stuff, using social issues to cover for the financial aims.
I feel secure in my choice to support Bernie.
jfern
(5,204 posts)But he's pretty good on most issues. Hillary is not.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)But Hillary Clinton is pretty good on all the issues I care about. Sanders is not. His NRA "D" rating, for example, is poor. Hillary Clinton's "F" rating is stellar. Any Democrat or politician who gets less than an F-rating from the NRA is not a candidate for me.
Consequently, were it not for Hillary Clinton pointing out during the debate that Sanders had voted against the Brady Bill FIVE TIMES - a bill that passed despite his "no-vote" and signed into law and what had blocked over 2 million guns from reaching people who have NO business having one since 1994 - I would have never known about it.
It is clear Brady background checks work. Lives have been saved by the Brady law as we have seen the undeniable evidence showing gun homicides have decreased since the law took effect 20 years ago, said Dan Gross, President of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. We need Congress to expand Brady background checks to make it harder for criminals and other dangerous people to get guns online, in classified advertisements or at gun shows.
http://www.bradycampaign.org/inthenews/brady-campaign-releases-a-report-analyzing-20-years-of-effective-background-checks
Although I'm NOT a "one-issue voter", I happen to think gun safety laws are extremely important.
jfern
(5,204 posts)And some of them endorsed Hillary. The Brady bill was one bill almost 25 years ago. Bernie has voted for assault weapon bans, background checks, and plenty of other gun control since then.
Meanwhile Hillary criticized Obama for being too critical of guns.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/12/clinton-touts-her-experience-with-guns/
Aerows
(39,961 posts)everywhere.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)We lost. Get out. Get over it. And..don't do it again.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)American exceptionalism is nonsense.
BootinUp
(47,144 posts)We need a revolution!!!!!!!!!!
uponit7771
(90,336 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)assuming evolution and/or the real (insert candidate here) will come out after the election, second term at the latest.