2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton Doubles Down On ATTACK AGAINST SANDERS
She laid into her main Democratic rival, Bernie Sanders, on guns. And she began road-testing a new campaign slogan she debuted earlier this week on the debate stage, "I'm a progressive who likes to get things done." Campaigning at a raucous 2,500 person outdoor Latinos for Hillary rally in San Antonio two days after the first democratic debate, Hillary Clinton began to demonstrate how the exchanges with her opponents on the CNN stage are helping to refine her campaign message and attacks on her opponents.
Clinton was in town to pick up the endorsement of Housing Secretary Julian Castro, the former mayor here whose name is often tossed around as a potential vice president pick, and make an appeal to Latino voters. But she used the appearance to hit back at Vermont Sen. Sanders on the one issue where she can attack him from the left, gun control she responded forcefully to a debate comment he made that "all the shouting in the world" will not keep guns out of the hands of killers. On the CNN stage Tuesday, Sanders said that as a senator from a rural state, what I can tell Secretary Clinton, is that all the shouting in the world is not going to do what I would hope all of us want, and that is to keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have those guns and end this horrible violence we are seeing.
Clinton appeared eager to address his claim at the top of her speech. No matter what anyone says, this isn't just an urban problem, no way. It's a problem in small towns, suburbs, out in the country, across America, said Clinton. I've been told by some, to quit talking about this, quit shouting about this, she said. Clinton also tried to paint Sanders gun control views as out of touch with where the majority of the country is on the issue. I will tell you right now I will not be silenced, she said, and we will not be silenced. I will keep taking on the NRA. How many more people have to die before we take action? How many people have to think twice now about going to church? The majority of Americans and the majority of gun owners support the changes I am recommending.
Sanders team was pushing back, post-debate, against the hits he took from his fellow Democrats for voting against the Brady Bill, which mandates federal background checks on gun purchases, and against an attack from Clinton who said Sanders' positions on gun control don't go far enough.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-sanders-hispanics-214856
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Welcome to DU primary season 2015.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Bernie looked confused and befuddled.
randys1
(16,286 posts)It is disappointing that she is doing this.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I don't like that.
Tired of tests.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Bernie was completely accurate in describing the difference between urban and rural populations.
artislife
(9,497 posts)I wonder why.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,138 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)If the 'Not Hillary' Party is going to hang their hopes on NRA gun nuttery to draw liberals, they are sadly mistaken.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Hillary isn't crap to me.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I don't see one.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Most people in the left-to-center and many moderates, and even non-NRA conservatives are in favor of effective gun control, including Bernie Sanders.
There may be hair-splitting technical differences, over how to do it, But its not exactly a brave unpopular position that merits "I will not be silenced."
It also seems in poor taste to be using this way as a campaign issue.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)is out of luck.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)Or is this the debunked Brady bill vote?
Or do you think he's secretly in the pocket of the NRA?
Do you think he doesn't support universal background checks and closing gun show / ownership transferral loopholes?
What exactly is it that you don't like about his stance on gun control?
frylock
(34,825 posts)OKNancy
(41,832 posts)It's called a political campaign.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,138 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)He is actually pro-gun control.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Spouses have been opened also.
wyldwolf
(43,875 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Politico, again? I thought we had been over this ground!?
Clinton mentioned GUNS over a dozen times.....and guess how many "Sanders" was mentioned?
The whole article reads like a fictional novellete!
All to create "attacks on Sanders" that do not exist but clearly many yearn for...for some reason!?
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)gun control! I want her to be as strong about this
in the rural West.
I live in Colorado, we have had two mass shootings
in the cities, I detest guns,but I know that we lost
three dems in the legislature due to MINOR gun
control issues.
With HRC's battle cry she will just help the repugs
with their meme: The Dems want to take your guns
away! Good luck with that!
Broward
(1,976 posts)it's long past time for Bernie to more aggressively challenge Hillary's corporatist policies just as she's doing to him on gun control. Btw, nice to see that this week Hillary is a "progressive" again.
jfern
(5,204 posts)And some of those others endorsed Hillary, and she has no problem with their views.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Gun control is one of those issues that comes up every single Democratic primary campaign for the last 50 years. A lot of noise is made about who wants to take away guns the most, then nothing is ever done. It's a safe, predictable non-issue with a safe never changing punching bag and a safe never changing outcome. And every time it makes the news, there is a lot of blood and gore involved. That's why corporate media types love to flog the issue.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...Hillary Clinton argued that she's more electable than Obama because she's pro-guns and he's anti-guns.
frylock
(34,825 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)votes.
He is dead wrong on guns.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Do you disagree with his positions of closing gun show loophole and more stringent background checks?
Fearless
(18,421 posts)PatrickforO
(14,631 posts)his stance on gun control. Once he does, he'll be fine.
We've got to remember that Clinton is a very rough and tumble campaigner. Just because Bernie won't and has never run a negative campaign, it doesn't mean that Clinton won't try and eat him for breakfast.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)The problem isn't that people have guns it's that they are so willing to use them on other human beings. It's also failing to secure those guns so that minor children can't get to them. But, that's cultural. To talk about guns as if they are the problem rather than the culture of violence we live in is like to blame cars for drunk driving. Yes, it is the car that is the deadly thing, but our tolerance for people drinking and driving is what allows this to happen way too much. That is also cultural. If you want less violence advocate better, cheaper, easier access to education. Take domestic violence more seriously. Take the militarism out of our law enforcement system and make it more about crime prevention, the beat cops out talking to people and understanding their neighborhoods instead of stopping and frisking people for no reason. Step up the anti-bullying campaigns. Make using violence against other people not cool. That will take a lot of work and you can't put those solutions in a sound bite.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)and good mental healthcare.
Good post, Thanks!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)That's "palling around with terrorists"-level dishonesty.