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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 06:32 PM Oct 2015

Clinton Doubles Down On ATTACK AGAINST SANDERS






She laid into her main Democratic rival, Bernie Sanders, on guns. And she began road-testing a new campaign slogan she debuted earlier this week on the debate stage, "I'm a progressive who likes to get things done." Campaigning at a raucous 2,500 person outdoor “Latinos for Hillary” rally in San Antonio two days after the first democratic debate, Hillary Clinton began to demonstrate how the exchanges with her opponents on the CNN stage are helping to refine her campaign message and attacks on her opponents.


Clinton was in town to pick up the endorsement of Housing Secretary Julian Castro, the former mayor here whose name is often tossed around as a potential vice president pick, and make an appeal to Latino voters. But she used the appearance to hit back at Vermont Sen. Sanders on the one issue where she can attack him from the left, gun control — she responded forcefully to a debate comment he made that "all the shouting in the world" will not keep guns out of the hands of killers. On the CNN stage Tuesday, Sanders said that “as a senator from a rural state, what I can tell Secretary Clinton, is that all the shouting in the world is not going to do what I would hope all of us want, and that is to keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have those guns and end this horrible violence we are seeing.”


Clinton appeared eager to address his claim at the top of her speech. “No matter what anyone says, this isn't just an urban problem, no way. It's a problem in small towns, suburbs, out in the country, across America,” said Clinton. “I've been told by some, to quit talking about this, quit shouting about this,” she said. Clinton also tried to paint Sanders’ gun control views as out of touch with where the majority of the country is on the issue. “I will tell you right now I will not be silenced,” she said, “and we will not be silenced. I will keep taking on the NRA. How many more people have to die before we take action? How many people have to think twice now about going to church? The majority of Americans and the majority of gun owners support the changes I am recommending.”


Sanders’ team was pushing back, post-debate, against the hits he took from his fellow Democrats for voting against the Brady Bill, which mandates federal background checks on gun purchases, and against an attack from Clinton who said Sanders' positions on gun control don't go far enough.


“If Bernie was a real NRA guy, which is the allegation, it would stick,” said his senior advisor Tad Devine. “But he’s a guy who is opposed to assault weapons since 1988, who wants to close the gun show loophole, who has earned a D- lifetime rating from the NRA.” Devine said he did not expect attacks on Sanders’ record on guns to stick “because it’s not credible. The guy is not getting an A from the NRA,” he said.





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http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-sanders-hispanics-214856
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Clinton Doubles Down On ATTACK AGAINST SANDERS (Original Post) Segami Oct 2015 OP
Facts are now attacks and online polls are now gospel. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #1
They are lies. Fearless Oct 2015 #30
Bernie didn't handle the gun control issue well when O'Malley went after him Cali_Democrat Oct 2015 #2
And HIllary doesnt need to do this, bad advice to go after Bernie on this. randys1 Oct 2015 #11
And Hillary looked POLISHED Fawke Em Oct 2015 #25
That's simply untrue Fearless Oct 2015 #31
I have never seen her run on her 3 bills that she sponsored and got passed artislife Oct 2015 #3
hmmm...good question! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #12
I don't see a negative here. onehandle Oct 2015 #4
I'm not "Not Hillary." I'm Pro-Bernie Fawke Em Oct 2015 #26
What is the problem here? hrmjustin Oct 2015 #5
Pretending to be persecuted for taking a popular opinion Armstead Oct 2015 #10
She is not pretending to be persecuted. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #15
his D- from the NRA is enough for me. If this is all she has then she roguevalley Oct 2015 #17
Your choice byt i don't care for his record on guns. hrmjustin Oct 2015 #18
You are for assault weapons then? Fearless Oct 2015 #32
No problem at all. I think she should run with gun control as her primary platform. frylock Oct 2015 #22
No more of an "attack" than when Sanders "attacks" on the Iraq vote. OKNancy Oct 2015 #6
Fair point...that's what primary debates are for. Here's an idea...let's have more of them! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #14
Except she actually DID vote for the war and continues to defend that decision Fearless Oct 2015 #33
As explained, when facts are given it isn't an attack. Attacks on the Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #7
This is what the Sandernista attacks on Clinton have become wyldwolf Oct 2015 #8
What is the problem and reason for the hyperbolic personally made up Politico headline? Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #9
Good luck with this shouting about sadoldgirl Oct 2015 #13
I agree it's not an attack, but Broward Oct 2015 #16
He has the lowest NRA rating, a D-, of any major Vermont politician since at least 1991 jfern Oct 2015 #19
GUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNS!!!!! mhatrw Oct 2015 #20
But when the issue came up 8 years ago, Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #24
You won't hear a word about gun control in the GE if Hillary wins the nomination. frylock Oct 2015 #21
She should hit Bernie hard on his pro big gun workinclasszero Oct 2015 #23
You disagree with his AWB vote? HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #27
Are you really pushing the debunked Brady bill issue again? Fearless Oct 2015 #34
Well, not the end of the world. Bernie's gonna have to talk about PatrickforO Oct 2015 #28
If it is easier for her to talk about guns than the real issues fine... Kalidurga Oct 2015 #29
I would ad that making abortion and birth control safe and easily available, haikugal Oct 2015 #35
Notice how she's subtly equating Sanders with the NRA. arcane1 Oct 2015 #36
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
2. Bernie didn't handle the gun control issue well when O'Malley went after him
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 06:35 PM
Oct 2015

Bernie looked confused and befuddled.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
11. And HIllary doesnt need to do this, bad advice to go after Bernie on this.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 06:53 PM
Oct 2015

It is disappointing that she is doing this.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
31. That's simply untrue
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:38 AM
Oct 2015

Bernie was completely accurate in describing the difference between urban and rural populations.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
4. I don't see a negative here.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 06:37 PM
Oct 2015

If the 'Not Hillary' Party is going to hang their hopes on NRA gun nuttery to draw liberals, they are sadly mistaken.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
10. Pretending to be persecuted for taking a popular opinion
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 06:51 PM
Oct 2015

Most people in the left-to-center and many moderates, and even non-NRA conservatives are in favor of effective gun control, including Bernie Sanders.

There may be hair-splitting technical differences, over how to do it, But its not exactly a brave unpopular position that merits "I will not be silenced."

It also seems in poor taste to be using this way as a campaign issue.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
32. You are for assault weapons then?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:41 AM
Oct 2015

Or is this the debunked Brady bill vote?

Or do you think he's secretly in the pocket of the NRA?

Do you think he doesn't support universal background checks and closing gun show / ownership transferral loopholes?

What exactly is it that you don't like about his stance on gun control?

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
6. No more of an "attack" than when Sanders "attacks" on the Iraq vote.
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 06:41 PM
Oct 2015

It's called a political campaign.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
33. Except she actually DID vote for the war and continues to defend that decision
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:42 AM
Oct 2015

He is actually pro-gun control.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
9. What is the problem and reason for the hyperbolic personally made up Politico headline?
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 06:51 PM
Oct 2015

Politico, again? I thought we had been over this ground!?

Clinton mentioned GUNS over a dozen times.....and guess how many "Sanders" was mentioned?

The whole article reads like a fictional novellete!

All to create "attacks on Sanders" that do not exist but clearly many yearn for...for some reason!?

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
13. Good luck with this shouting about
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 07:04 PM
Oct 2015

gun control! I want her to be as strong about this
in the rural West.
I live in Colorado, we have had two mass shootings
in the cities, I detest guns,but I know that we lost
three dems in the legislature due to MINOR gun
control issues.

With HRC's battle cry she will just help the repugs
with their meme: The Dems want to take your guns
away! Good luck with that!

Broward

(1,976 posts)
16. I agree it's not an attack, but
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 07:49 PM
Oct 2015

it's long past time for Bernie to more aggressively challenge Hillary's corporatist policies just as she's doing to him on gun control. Btw, nice to see that this week Hillary is a "progressive" again.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
19. He has the lowest NRA rating, a D-, of any major Vermont politician since at least 1991
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 12:24 AM
Oct 2015

And some of those others endorsed Hillary, and she has no problem with their views.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
20. GUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNS!!!!!
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:15 AM
Oct 2015

Gun control is one of those issues that comes up every single Democratic primary campaign for the last 50 years. A lot of noise is made about who wants to take away guns the most, then nothing is ever done. It's a safe, predictable non-issue with a safe never changing punching bag and a safe never changing outcome. And every time it makes the news, there is a lot of blood and gore involved. That's why corporate media types love to flog the issue.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
24. But when the issue came up 8 years ago,
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:42 AM
Oct 2015

...Hillary Clinton argued that she's more electable than Obama because she's pro-guns and he's anti-guns.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
27. You disagree with his AWB vote?
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:51 AM
Oct 2015

Do you disagree with his positions of closing gun show loophole and more stringent background checks?

PatrickforO

(14,631 posts)
28. Well, not the end of the world. Bernie's gonna have to talk about
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:12 AM
Oct 2015

his stance on gun control. Once he does, he'll be fine.

We've got to remember that Clinton is a very rough and tumble campaigner. Just because Bernie won't and has never run a negative campaign, it doesn't mean that Clinton won't try and eat him for breakfast.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
29. If it is easier for her to talk about guns than the real issues fine...
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 02:20 AM
Oct 2015

The problem isn't that people have guns it's that they are so willing to use them on other human beings. It's also failing to secure those guns so that minor children can't get to them. But, that's cultural. To talk about guns as if they are the problem rather than the culture of violence we live in is like to blame cars for drunk driving. Yes, it is the car that is the deadly thing, but our tolerance for people drinking and driving is what allows this to happen way too much. That is also cultural. If you want less violence advocate better, cheaper, easier access to education. Take domestic violence more seriously. Take the militarism out of our law enforcement system and make it more about crime prevention, the beat cops out talking to people and understanding their neighborhoods instead of stopping and frisking people for no reason. Step up the anti-bullying campaigns. Make using violence against other people not cool. That will take a lot of work and you can't put those solutions in a sound bite.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
35. I would ad that making abortion and birth control safe and easily available,
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 11:40 AM
Oct 2015

and good mental healthcare.

Good post, Thanks!

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
36. Notice how she's subtly equating Sanders with the NRA.
Fri Oct 16, 2015, 01:09 PM
Oct 2015

That's "palling around with terrorists"-level dishonesty.

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