"Calling ALL Berners!" Time to vote in the internet polls!

[JaneyVee]

Found: https://mobile.twitter.com/38_28_38/status/654138595842891776

Hmmm....

[onehandle]

1. DU This Poll!!!

I voted with the winner of online polls!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251676541

[JaneyVee]

3. There's more of these screenshots calling to FIRESTORM the internet polls.

I guess it's a good tactic if you're into severely skewed internet polls based on completely fabricated data.

[Luminous Animal]

30. Where is the call to FIRESTORM internet polls? Those links go to CNN's facebook pages.

[Bubzer]

58. Nowhere does is say "Time to vote in the internet polls!" on that twitter message.

There's no mention of polls at all. The op is deceptive.

[cprise]

91. OOPS! Its a call to post comments about a rally, not about polls.

Hillary supporters realize it too... the post only has 5 retweets. Its deceptive junk.

[wyldwolf]

2. ah shit...

[MineralMan]

4. And that's just one such message.

That's why Internet and social media polling is completely worthless. It always skews way in the direction of the most active people.

Useless.

[JaneyVee]

7. There's....

A lot more screenshots out there showing this tactic. Again, I guess it's a good tactic if you're trying to create a narrative, not so great if you're interested in accuracy.

[MineralMan]

14. No doubt. It's funny that people think such things

really influence anyone's actual vote. But, they do, and I suppose it works to some small degree. It's useless, though, in a nation of 300+ million people. I don't think people really understand the numbers very well when it comes to elections.

Unless an election is so close that it can be won by 1 or 2% of the vote, this kind of fringe activism has almost zero effect on actual results.

In a way, it's like thinking that one primary in New Hampshire is predictive of the rest of the country. One state like Georgia can wipe out New Hampshire's delegate count, making a candidate's delegates pretty useless at the actual convention.

Primaries or caucuses are held in all 50 states. Just look at Texas, as an example. It has a huge delegate count at the convention, and it's very, very unlikely that Sanders can get those delegates to any significant degree. It's a different place with different points of view, really.

[workinclasszero]

27. Hit them with the truth MineralMan!

That's gonna leave a mark! LOL

[Luminous Animal]

54. You've stated that you write for a living so presumably you can read... so please tell me

where it says to Bernie supporters to vote in internet polls. All the links go to CNN facebook pages and the text is advertisement for Bernie's Enough is Enough DC rally in November.

(And just how would a person copy and paste the text into an internet poll?)

[PotatoChip]

59. I wish someone would answer your questions, because I would like to know too. (nt)

[Luminous Animal]

63. Yeah. I've asked 8 different Hillary supporters and so far... *crickets*

[Joey Joe Joe]

66. because they have no effing clue what they are talking about

Just finding a screenshot and yelling that someone is voting over and over again does not make it so.

Reddit provided the links for the page, not the poll itself, from what I can ascertain since I'm learning about Reddit.

[cprise]

89. Screenshot isn't even linked to anyone

LOL. Its junk with only 5 retweets.

[Skidmore]

93. I had this one pop up on my newsfeed on the evening of the debate and

it was directed to a friend and 48 other people.

Be sure to use his first and last name so CNN will count it. That is how they are tracking him today
BERNIE SANDERS. .

Central Texas for Bernie Sanders 2016
October 13 at 4:11pm · Edited ·
K Y'all, HUDDLE UP Here for a Sec!

Here's the Deal...
Tonight, we need to
BREAK FACEBOOK & THE INTERNET
to the point that the Corporate Media
CAN'T COVER US UP ANYMORE!

Tonight we
FREE THE GENIE FROM HIS BOTTLE!

Tonight we
NEED EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU
to Tweet and Post using Today's Tag Line ‪#?DebateWithBernie‬

<edit>
I've JUST BEEN INFORMED by a Stalwart Sister in the Revolution,
that CNN's "ON TO US!" and are taking ACTIVE STEPS to SKEW OUR NUMBERS by NOT COUNTING our DebateWithBernie tags
(but others still are and will).
No.
CNN's ONLY COUNTING uses of his First and Last Name.
(Guess moving the time up so People in West Coast Cities won't be home from work in time to catch the opening statements just wasn't enough SUPPRESSION for Them!
It's NEVER ENOUGH WITH THESE PEOPLE, THAT'S THE PROBLEM!
ENOUGH is ENOUGH!)

So you can literally just post
"‪#?BernieSanders‬ #DebateWithBernie"

JUST THAT.
NOTHING MORE.
REPEATEDLY!

And it'll WORK!
<edit>

If you're not comfortable posting openly to your own fb walls, PLEASE CONSIDER POSTING TO THIS PAGE.

Your post will go into the area off to the side, not on the main page,
unless you're ok with that.
If so, please include "Please Share"
(and I'll try)

What we're after here are the # lines.
THAT'S what COUNTS!

Share your thoughts, pics and selfies in front of your tvs or monitors.
Anything you want really.

The important thing Tonight is to
DO IT, and DO IT OFTEN!

Don't think we don't need you,
or that someone else will cover your absence.

REMEMBER that we're STILL SUFFERING from 8 years of Bush Administration Contempt and Incompetence.

ALL because just over 500 people didn't vote in the 2000 Presidential Election in Florida!

C'MON Y'ALL, IT'LL BE FUN!

And the BEST PART, is that tomorrow, when Joe & Mika are DESPERATE to find SOMEONE to explain to them,
"WHAT'S GOING ON?!"

You'll be able to say,
"I DID THAT!"

- Your Friendly Neighborhood Organizer for BERNIE!

#DebateWithBernie ‪#?Bernie2016‬ ‪#?FeelTheBern‬

[Scootaloo]

5. Yup. But thank god there's beltway op-ed writers on Salon to tell us how we REALLY think

(cough)

[hrmjustin]

6. Thus endeth the lesson!

[Fawke Em]

11. What lesson?

That Bernie won all the focus groups, garnered 37,600 donations and topped EVERYONE on Google searches?

That's verified.

This thread, however, is just sour grapes.

[hrmjustin]

16. I don't trust focus groups nor internet polls.

I am happy 37,000 people gave money to a great man.

[JaneyVee]

17. There you go.

[Luminous Animal]

40. Not only that but the title of the OP is wrong. Where are the links to internet polls? Nowhere.

The links in the image posted go to CNN's facebook pages and the request is to paste info regarding the Enough is Enough rally in DC for Bernie.

[Thinkingabout]

8. And there is wonder why more people do not respond to internet polls, I will stick to other polls.

[Fawke Em]

9. Who cares?

Sanders won the live focus groups - all of them - and 37,600 people donated a total of $1.3 million to his campaign last night. And he topped Trump in Google searches.

But, that Hillary - she's got the corporate-owned pundits on her side.

[artislife]

10. What makes you think

these same tactics won't get out the vote in November of next year?

You all seem to have a weird relationship about how influential social media is on a ...social media platform.


You think they won't show up.

But the same people who camp out for days for a new iPhone are being targeted. They will camp out for the prospect of free college, destroying the private prison complex and the shot at the American dream like their parents had.

It is going to be a long primary season.

We don't underestimate h supporters and the others who want her to be president, you might want to do the same.


But choose not to, if you wish.

[JaneyVee]

15. When internet polls are being touted as gospel on DU....

Someone has to put an end to this madness.

[artislife]

19. When pundit opinions without data are being

touted as gospel Anywhere, one must wonder if the fix it trying to be set.


Reread 1984 for a great analysis of propaganda

Since about that time, war had been literally continuous, though strictly speaking it had not always been the same war. For several months during his childhood there had been confused street fighting in London itself, some of which he remembered vividly. But to trace out the history of the whole period, to say who was fighting whom at any given moment, would have been utterly impossible, since no written record, and no spoken word, ever made mention of any other alignment than the existing one. At this moment, for example, in 1984 (if it was 1984), Oceania was at war with Eurasia and in alliance with Eastasia. In no public or private utterance was it ever admitted that the three powers had at any time been grouped along different lines. Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was merely a piece of furtive knowledge, which he happened to possess because his memory was not satisfactorily under control. Officially the change of partners had never happened. Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible. (1.3.16)

[TM99]

20. If you haven't figured out by now, the New Dems

here and elsewhere HATE populism.

The 'far left' is full of retards, hippies, and is equal to the Tea Party & Freepers.

They will tout the Arab Spring on one hand (cough cough Facebook & Twitter!) and deny the veracity of Sanders win across social media, all focus groups, etc.

It is just cognitive dissonance.

[JaneyVee]

22. Yeah because the media is totally in the tank for Hillary.

[BlueCaliDem]

73. You'd be surprised just how many of these fair-weather Dems believe that.

Then again, they'll believe anything negative about the Democratic Party frontrunner, be he Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton. These fair-weather Dems are the Republicans' greatest allies on our side.

[artislife]

74. Not that you implied I am a Fairweather Dem

But I have voted every election and voted for all Democrats when applicable.

But the chances of that always staying the same is not a sure thing.

There is a lot of dissatisfied party members on both sides. And our country hasn't always had the same two parties throughout its history. It probably won't, either .

It may happen sooner rather than later.

[BlueCaliDem]

76. Of course not.

If the shoe doesn't fit, don't worry about it.

That said. I don't bother myself with those "dissatisfied Party members" (fair-weather Dems). I've learned that they're too tightly caught in their idealistic world to be able to understand the cold hard facts of democracy, elections, and the consequences these elections incur.

These same angry but idealistic people would rather wail and gnash teeth instead of try to understand that you can't get your agenda through if you don't win elections - and staying home making waffles if your preferred candidate doesn't win the presidency (which many Sanders supporters have threatened to do, with less than a handful saying they'd vote for whomever won the Democratic primaries) is a self-defeating act. This makes these "dissatisfied Party members" spoiled, petulant children, imo, caught in a selfish temper tantrum that I have NO desire to talk them out of.

I have said it again and again, and I'll reiterate it here: I will support and vote for Hillary Clinton because she's the best Democratic candidate who'll actually get things done IF she becomes president, but I will support and vote for whomever wins the Democratic primaries. Because it's not all about me. It's about the progress of this country, and I'll be damned if I'll give my vote to some know-nothing Republican so he can undo everything President Obama has worked so hard to get done for this country.

[artislife]

84. I just threw up a little in my mouth. nt

[AgingAmerican]

29. Show the polls stating she won

nt

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

52. Like I have said before.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

[SidDithers]

12. C'mon. If you can't trust an internet poll...

then just who can you trust?

6 Hilarious Cases Of Online Voting Contests Gone Awry

Sid

[JaneyVee]

23. "The Fred Durst Society of the Humanities and Arts."

[NuclearDem]

47. Goddamnit, Sid. I had an afternoon planned out and everything.

[MADem]

67. That was tearfully HILARIOUS....I'm still laughing!!! nt

[zappaman]

72. This is funny to you, Sid Dithers of DU?

Did you know Texas oilman Poppy Bush was in Texas when JFK was assassinated?
Still laughing, Sid Dithers of DU?

[SidDithers]

78. Why have I never posted about this?...

Why isn't it in my Journal?

Sid

[Number23]

85. You and Sid together are too much coolness for one thread

And I know EXACTLY what you are doing in this post and who you are skewering with your imitation.

[jeepers]

13. So are you distressed

because the Hillary team were not allowed to vote in these polls or because the Hillary people didn't show up to vote?
to quote , "Hmmm..."

[ChisolmTrailDem]

18. Results of this campaign:

FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/search/str/%2523wondemocraticdebate/keywords_top

TWITTER: https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%23wondemocraticdebate&src=typd

[sufrommich]

21. I wonder what President Paul's opinion is on click bait polls.nt

[trueblue2007]

24. LIKE THAT IS GOING TO HELP. ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa

[Luminous Animal]

25. None of those links are to internet polls. It was an attempt to advertise the DC Bernie rally.

Not a call to participate in a poll.

All the links are to CNN facebook pages

[workinclasszero]

26. Oh *HIT! Cats out of the bag now Bernie fans!

BOGUS INTERNET POLLS for Bernie!!!!

[AgingAmerican]

31. Show the non internet polls stating she won

Otherwise this is just a bunch of cognitive dissonance.

[NCTraveler]

35. Agree. Putting weight behind an internet poll is a great display of cognitive dissonance. nt.

[AgingAmerican]

36. When what you believe (she won) doesn't match what you see (he won)

You have 'cognitive dissonance'.

[NCTraveler]

37. My bad, I read you wrong.

I thought you were saying that those putting weight behind internet polls were taking part in an exercise of cognitive dissonance. That is what I thought as it is outright common sense.

I thought they all did great.

[lunamagica]

50. They'll be out soon enough

[Luminous Animal]

39. Except for the pesky fact that it was not a call to vote in any internet polls.

It was a call to advertise the DC rally in November and all the links were to CNN's facebook pages not to any internet polls.

[lunamagica]

51. I knew it!

So much hard work...for what?

This will have as much positive effect on his campaign as Cornel West did.

Can't wait for the real polls

[Luminous Animal]

55. Knew what? Maybe you can help me out here because, apparently, no other Hillary supporter can...

please point me to the text in the OP that urges supporters to participate in internet polls. Not one link goes to any poll but rather to CNN's facebook pages and the FIRESTORM message is an advertisement for Bernie's DC rally in November.

[progressoid]

28. How did they manage to rig the focus groups in Bernie's favor?

[Cali_Democrat]

41. Like this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021565827

[progressoid]

42. Luntz works for CNN?

[Cali_Democrat]

43. You didn't ask that

You asked how they could possibly fix a focus group.

That's how it's done.

[riversedge]

45. Thanks for that Link. Very informative.

[R B Garr]

32. I saw this in action last night on the CNN poll

Thanks for this link confirmimg it.

Such epic level phoniness.

[AgingAmerican]

33. Cognitive Dissonance

What you believe (Hillary won) and what you see (Sanders won) don't match. So you do this (OP).

[NCTraveler]

34. I seem to remember online polls being touted by Kucinich supporters after a debate.

The claim was that Kucinich won all of the polls and people liked him more but he couldn't get past the corporate masters. How did those online post-debate polls work out for him?

Sanders and Hillary had great nights. The online poll thing is an absolute joke as is anyone pushing them as proof of anything. That goes for any side. Facebook, twitter, etc. Think about how seriously involved some of the Sanders supporters are here. They and their three children under 10 will be voting. In other words, one vote counted three times. You don't see that same giddiness from Clinton supporters. Same with splattering messages all over the internet. I wish people would see how this works. The internet is an amazing source of truth and exceptional disseminator of deception all at the same time.

[MFM008]

38. this is a tactic used

by right wingers, wont do it. Doesnt increase my probability to vote for him . Im still trending toward Clinton no matter who polls on the internet.

[Luminous Animal]

44. Did you read the text in the image? It wasn't a call to firestorm internet polls

It was a call to post on cnn's Facebook pages about a Bernie rally in November.

[TheKentuckian]

87. They don't care, acknowledging reality would disrupt the frame they are pushing.

The Say Anything Gang rides again.

[riversedge]

46. Chuckle. The little secret has light shed upon it.

[Luminous Animal]

48. Perhaps you can tell me where it says anything about polls

All the links go to cnn's Facebook pages. Not one links to any internet polls and the text is advertising for Bernice's dc rally in November.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

49. Thanks. I will.

[Ed Suspicious]

53. A practice GOTV campaign? We get it. These polls aren't scientific, but they do take people to

actually participate in order for one candidate to win over another candidate. I did not read anywhere "Hillarians, don't vote in the internet polls."

What do you make of that? I'm not sure what to think. It's a mystery of political science.

[CTyankee]

56. I'm very suspicious of this so-called Bernie "poll." I think it is a fake.

I would not expect such a cut and paste kind of internet post from Bernie's campaign.

[murielm99]

60. Who says it's Bernie's campaign doing it?

He has all sorts of out of control supporters. They don't necessarily represent any official campaign.

[CTyankee]

61. Or more likely trolls doing it to discredit Bernie. This smell to high heaven of trollery...

[Luminous Animal]

62. It is real but it is not a call to FIRESTORM internet polls. It says nothing of the sort...

The person who is organizing the November DC rally for Bernie (titled "Enough is Enough&quot is merely asking people to post on CNN's facebook pages specific text in order to advertise the rally. Not one thing about internet polls. Not one link to internet polls.

[CTyankee]

64. this confused me. but I am not all that tech proficient...

[Bubzer]

57. Nowhere does is say "Time to vote in the internet polls!" on that twitter message.

The op is deceptive.

[thesquanderer]

65. "Time to vote in the internet polls!" is something the OP added.

None of the actual text or instructions indicate anything of the sort.

Was there some effort to swamp the polls (for any candidate)? Who knows. But this post doesn't indicate any such thing, and it is disingenuous for the OP to imply that it does.

(And really, I would think if there actually were such an effort, someone here on DU would have known about it and said something about it.)

p.s. -- I'm not saying that there is any scientific accuracy to these self-selecting online polls, either. I don't think they indicate much more than the enthusiasm of that portion of a candidate's supporters who are internet savvy.

[ms liberty]

68. Misleading thread title...

They are advertising a rally, not poll voting. You tarnish your own credibility with this post, not Bernie supporters.

[zentrum]

69. Didn't see this post

…last night but I did vote in the CNN poll, FOX, and many others. Bernie won IMO.

[ChiciB1]

70. Thanx For Info, Gotta Check This Out Later!

Need to cook din-din!

[Joey Joe Joe]

71. You made it up. It doesn't even say anything about Internet polls

You might want to edit that part of the title out, save face.

[ibegurpard]

75. And if so then so what?

As has been pointed out here since time immemorial Internet polls do not accurately measure the general publics opinion. What they do measure is the enthusiasm of supporters or opponennts. Which Bernie has in spades. Whether it will translate into votes remains to be seen.

[DCBob]

77. LOL..well that explains it.

Thanks for posting.

[Armstead]

81. As I noted elsewhere, if Clinton didn't try to to the same...

they're not as smart as they pretend, and are stuck somewhere in 1985.

[DCBob]

83. I wouldnt call fraudulently manipulating an opinion poll smart.

[JaneyVee]

79. LOL ya'll.

[Armstead]

80. That's called politics. If Clinton didn't try to get out people to do the same....

then their political acumen is somewhere around 1985.

[reformist2]

82. Yep. They did create a few million fake Facebook likes and Twitter followers, so there's that.

[William769]

86. Kick & highly recommended!

[JaneyVee]

88. Kick.

[cosmicone]

90. I was still sleepy when I read the OP

In my half-awake state I went to that site and voted 50 times and Bernie's winning percentage went from 91% to 92% right before my eyes.

[cosmicone]

92. Now I am fully awake

The only question in my mind is can Bernie pass 100%?

[R B Garr]

94. Kick. I saw this happening live on the Facebook poll

These are directions to FIRESTORM online polls.

I saw it happening in a ridiculously dramatic fashion during the debate, so I'm not surprised CNN deleted the nonsense and blocked the spammers. It was very silly to watch. The split screens were hilarious because the poor dears got confused,and had to stop, but as soon as Clinton appeared they spammed the Disagree button while Anderson asked the question -- before she even spoke. Same with Sanders, but they slammed the Agree button. SO PHONY.

[R B Garr]

95. Kick

For the truth and reality.

[R B Garr]

96. Kick for truth and reality about FIRESTORMING

websites. This is obviously what CNN saw and deleted. Pure spam.