America is like an angry boil. Trump wants to pop it. Meanwhile, the DNC is

[whereisjustice]

continuing to deny the local dynamics behind Trump's popularity. Populism is a major problem for a status quo candidate like Hillary Clinton.

The main problem? Hillary lacks the care, passion and authenticity needed to work with the middle class and below.

Where we need empathy, Hillary brings an arrogant bravado.
Where we need peace, Hillary brings threats of violence.
Where we need economic justice and opportunity, Hillary brings Wall Street banks, H1Bs and outsourcing.
Where we need new energy sources, Hillary brings fracking.

Hillary cannot not heal the nation. To do so, she would have to acknowledge that her polices and beliefs need to be reversed. She'll never agree to that. So she panders with phony half measures and micro solutions that barely nibble around the edges. "Everything is fine," she says.

In contrast, Trump correctly sees America as a boil ready to pop. He's selling a cure using his magic potion. People are so desperate for relief, they are putting cash on the table for a genuine bottle of Mr. Trump's Effervescent Bullshit.

He's become more than just a bigmouth, chicken in every pot populist ready to rescue the middle class and below with truck loads of problem recognition discarded from the Democratic Party. He's a front runner to win the Republican primary.

Perhaps we should credit Debbie Wasserman Schultz for beating the populist imperative out of the rank and file. She's managed to stay on top and keep all the sugar on top as well.

Trump is promising barrels of sugar. Hillary is promising barrels of jobs to Asia.

There's no way she can win the general election with a platform like that.

[uponit7771]

1. Please give us more of the status quo relative to Obama. People with descerning eyes to see & ears

... to hear understand status quo as to be a continuance of something damn good in what Obama has already done.

Damn good...

Please give me more of that... I can't afford to gamble right now... neither can the rest of the country

[whereisjustice]

3. Our lower pay, our longer work hours, our health care costs, our education costs, our wars,

our refusal to hold those in positions of wealth and power accountable for their crimes against the lower classes...

That's not something people want more of.

Unless you are rich, of course.

[uponit7771]

5. Sanders:"... republicans have George Bush amnesia...".. "republicans"... It was and still is his...

... fault and Obama has made things better.

The status quo will continue that, I can't afford to gamble now

The rich CAN afford to gamble

[whereisjustice]

7. Based on all economic measures we are barely where we were with Bush, and I don't consider that

good enough, bold enough, courageous enough. Neither do most Americans. Sanders made a joke about Bush, but the truth is people haven't forgotten about Bush, that's why his brother isn't a front runner.

[yeoman6987]

12. +1,000,000

[uponit7771]

17. So we're losing 750,000 jobs a month? This is wingerish gaslighting at best the U3 and U6 rate are..

... no were near Bush 2009 levels!!

This is another tearing down of a good dem president and looks like FUD at best

[Scootaloo]

6. If your one and sole concern is hte party of the president, yeah, things are great

You wanna say Obama's been busting his ass to keep the whole thing from falling over completely? That's fair, yeah, no problem with saying that.

But if you're gonna argue that everything is fantastic? Then brother, you and I need to step outside, and you can have a chat with some of the homeless people in the alley out back. Tell them that everything's hunky-dory. Then we'll go visit the peopel grieving at This Week's School Shooting™ and you tell them hey! everything's fine! Let's go visit some of those refugees that are filtering in and you can shake your finger in their face that they ought ot be more grateful we're bringign liberty to their contry. Then we can go to your neighbor's house, where mom and dad are both working hteir asses off but the debt keeps growing, and let's hear you tell them how fantastic everything is.

I'll give credit where it's due, but I'm not going ot beleivethat president obama is a fucking wizard who has made everything whole and perfect and unquestionably wonderful. 'Cause he's not, and it's not.

[uponit7771]

8. Strawman, no one is their right mind is going to argue everything is fantastic just not as dyer as..

... the right and some in Sanders camp would like us to think and consistently gives no credit to Obama for correcting.

There were homeless people before Obama, what is he supposed to solve that shit too?!

No really, America's government does not suck...America's government is "not the problem" so when some one says something against the status quo (the kick as job democrats are doing despite the uphill battle) I need to take a second look at what they're talking about.

Democrats are good intended people... the GOP's whole persona has been poisoned and most of what's fucked up about America has nothing to do with democrats in government.

I'm not sold on most of them in power being corrupted, they're good people doing a sacrificing job...

So when an anti establishment candidate comes to the forefront I'm thinking...

What about the current establishment is he anti about?!

[Scootaloo]

9. But that is the status quo, isn't it?

Maintaining that status quo is of no interest to me. Is it of interest to you? I prefer progress to stagnation. and currently the democrats are mostly talk. Which is, in fact better than what the republicans wanna do, sure - but our choice shouldn't be one between "nothing" and "something awful."

[uponit7771]

19. No one is suggesting that America not progress either, but that's not what is coming out of

... Sanders it's basically the same message as Trump without that hate.

The Sanders "America is fucked, I'll fix it for you" message doesn't include those who fucked it in the first place !!!

Sanders isn't being upfront by not saying what he said in 2012 in Obama helping fuck America to the degree that it is

[jwirr]

35. The current choice of "progress" is either follow the corporatist

in giving further power for the corporations and especially their power over other countries (TPP and war) or we can work on giving that power back to the people.

I realize that President Obama has not had it easy. And that he has done some good things but as to economics a lot of those things gave more power to the corporations while ignoring the people. ACA is good for us but better for the insurance industry. TPP is not like the old trade bills that regulated the export of produces from the US but instead deals solely with profits for corporations.

I am proud to have had President Obama as our leader for the last two terms but I want someone who will not play the corporate game anymore. I want someone who will work for me and my family and friends. Bernie.

BTW Bernie never said "America is fucked, I'll fix it for you." All he does is tell us exactly why many of us are still in big trouble even after President Obama and then he specifically says "I cannot do this alone. We are building a movement to help make things change." And we are for change - making things better - which has been the goal of Democrats since FDR. It is what we voted for. We do not want status quo - we want better.

[Demeter]

18. It's spelled "dire" and it's getting there

It's going to be a Black Christmas, and I don't refer to ethnicity. The Economy is circling the drain.

[uponit7771]

20. So the working class is worse off than Bush circa 2008!?!? REALLY!?!? If this is the message that

... is being pushed by the Sanders camp no wonder parts of America isn't even thinking about listening to it.

This sounds like a message for the consummately angry about everything and not people who want to progress on what was already done

[Demeter]

21. This is the message out of our financial centers and experts

and while they try to soft peddle it, the sense of global panic is growing, as anyone who has been following events via our excellent Stock Market Watch thread, hosted daily by Tansy Gold, would know.

But then, that would take paying attention, wouldn't it?

[uponit7771]

22. Link and quote this message out of the financial experts that America's working class is worse

... of now than losing 750,000 jobs a month or any other information close to America's working class being as bad off as it was under bush

thx in advance

[Demeter]

23. I told you where to go--it's just a click away

[uponit7771]

24. That thread is not saying anything close to the economy for the middle class "is getting there" in..

... regards to it being WORSE (which is what I asked) for the middle class under Bush

Not even a hint of it

No credible economist would say something so flat Earth

[Demeter]

25. Have you read through the last 10 years of the thread?

Or do you get your education out of gumball machines?

[uponit7771]

26. Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position, and now your obfuscating the request via overload

... cause no one in their right mind is going to sit and read 10 years of a thread.

The thread is NOT saying anything of what you claimed in regards to the middle class being worse of now that it was under Bush or even "getting there".

10 years or 10 mins of reading would not say any of that

The request was for any financial expert claiming Americas middle class is worse off now than under Bush or "getting there" and I'm directed towards a thread that says nothing of the sort

If you have a link backing up your claim of the middle class "getting three" in regards to being worse than under Bush I'd like to see it

[Demeter]

27. Yes, it would

and you can Query any of those who recommend or post there. It's called an education, not a soundbite.

Frankly, you aren't worth an ad hominem attack. Not when there's an Ignore button.

[uponit7771]

28. More ad homs and no link to credible source of your cllaim

[BlueStateLib]

32. banks have been deleverage by raising reserve ratios from "40 to 1" to "12.5 to 1"

[jwirr]

36. Are they still able to use our money in their investments?

Glass-Steagall.

[restorefreedom]

29. +1000 nt

[hifiguy]

41. Bravo!

[AOR]

37. Seems you've made it very clear where you stand in this thread...

your political views are centered around your own personal and economic comfort zone. That's fine as you're obviously not alone in those views. The libertarians and the conservatives share those views. That being said... it's beyond laughable that you choose to speak to "what the rest of the country can afford to gamble on" and profess some kind of left political standing. I can assure you that you don't speak for struggling workers in the trenches and those driven into poverty on the streets.

Nearly 50% of Americans earn less that $ 27,000 a year, close to 40% of Americans have zero retirement savings and 1 out of every 7 Americans over 65 lives in poverty. Add in child poverty and wealth transfer to top worse than it's ever been and these simple facts don't even begin to tell the story. You're posts in this thread are reactionary to core. They are also in pure defense of the ruling class and the prerogatives of capital over labor.

[daleanime]

2. tRump doesn't want to 'pop it'....

he wants to put some bronzer and a hairpiece on it, and use it as a front for another dummy corporation that can declare bankruptcy.

His candidacy is only about him, and he's only about $$$$$$$$.

[whereisjustice]

4. Oh, he'll pop it all right. And it will be a bloody mess.

[leftofcool]

10. Oh ffs!

[Cali_Democrat]

11. So what you're saying is Hillary needs to be more like Trump. ROFL. nt

[whereisjustice]

46. I'm saying Hillary and DNC enabled Trump. The middle class have been forgotten, Trump is

taking advantage of that by attacking Washington status quo. People don't want Bush vs. Clinton.

Hillary is walking a very fine line between actually supporting the middle class and below, while promising Wall Street and the rich that they will continue to enjoy their massive advantage over us else with no inconvenience to their wealth.

Trump knows this and is going to take full advantage. This isn't a who's better or worse, both are pandering and insincere. Trump is winning at charisma and playing up his role as Washington agitator.

No one is happy in America. DNC has kept the sugar on the top shelf, out of reach.

Some sugar for the little guys goes a long way.

Clinton is offering more jobs to Asia. Exactly what we don't need.

[Skidmore]

13. So you are voting for Trump???

[whereisjustice]

47. No. But I do vote for firing Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Hillary Clinton. Their mealy-mouth

pandering is just enabling the right wing.

[Orangepeel]

15. So Hillary needs to promise a trade war and a border wall

And lack of empathy, arrogant bravado*, trickle down economics and fracking will sound fine? Hey, it works for trump.

There are no policies or belief changes that woul resonate with the people who want trump for president. His platform is "I'm smart, tough and rich." You wanna be smart, tough and rich, too? Vote for me or be a loser!" It's not substantial enough to be a barrel of sugar.

*I'm amazed that this phrase was used in a post that mentioned trump, and it wasn't about trump

[whereisjustice]

48. No - she needs to promise to take on Wall Street, make them accountable, she needs to stop the

endless war hawkery, she needs to hold corporations accountable for their lack of taxes in the US despite massive profits.

She needs to support the $15 minimum wage, and stop with the politics of personal accountability like its 1990.

She won't do that though, because the way the US is right now has made her incredibly rich. At everyone elses expense. She's running to preserve that entitlement and privilege, not challenge it.

Everyone can see this. She is transparently disingenuous whether its sniper fire, or being dead broke, or wiping her servers with a cloth, etc. It all adds up. Every time she opens her mouth it sounds calculated and opportunistic.

Pretty much can get the same thing from Bush. People want something else.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. He's a front runner to win the Republican primary.

He's a front runner to win the Republican primary.

LMFAO

If he's the nominee I will eat a dead rat on youtube!!!

[whereisjustice]

49. You don't seem to understand that win it or not, the fact that he got this far is a symptom of

the massive and undeniable problem of Hillary's patented insincerity and unwillingness to help the middle class with real reform. Wall Street convictions, tax reform, moving away from violent neo-con foreign policy, etc.

Perhaps the DNC and RNC were hoping for Bush versus Clinton knowing that tons of people on both sides will stay home out of pure anger and disgust. Trump messes things up for them.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. I thought this thread was about Donald Trump.

Excuse me for responding to what you wrote instead of what you want to discuss now.

Your suggestion that Donald Trump will be the GOP presidential nominee is patently absurd. If he his the nominee I will corner a rat, kill it with my bare hands ,eat it raw, and post it on youtube.

Trump is a chump!

#lol@me

[whereisjustice]

53. Ask the person who translated my post to you for a do over. As far as eating rats, why wait?

And then fire your translator. They see words but they don't know what to do with them.

My quote: "He's a front runner to win the Republican primary."

What your translator told you I wrote: "Donald Trump will be the GOP presidential nominee"

1. He IS 100% absolutely a current front runner to win the primary. Just as much as Clinton is a current front runner to win Democratic Party primary.

2. Trump has been a front runner for months now. I believe he has been since the day he announced +/- a few weeks.

3. My post was about how Trump, the DNC and Hillary created what we now know as Trump

4. The fact that Trump exists in any credible way at all is the fault of the Democratic Party's inability to effectively represent and market to the middle class and below with popular programs.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. In spite of your wall of words

In spite of your wall of words Donald John Trump will not be the Republican nominee and in the extraordinarily unlikely event that he is the nominee Hillary Clinton will hand him his ass. If you believe to to the contrary there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.

[whereisjustice]

56. You are desparate to change the topic. Nope. Not gonna do it. Trump has been enabled by DNC

he's almost by design. When you have a vacuum of real leadership, extremists like Trump, Cruz etc always emerge because they have no credible opposition.

Extremists would have nothing if it weren't for the capitulation, "centering", triangulation wit in Demcratic Party that places needs of the rich over the needs of the non-rich.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. I am not changing the topic.

Embodied in your original post is the suggestion that Donald Trump will be the GOP nominee... He will not be the nominee and in the extraordinarily unlikely event he is the nominee Hillary Clinton will hand him his ass.

I am willing to bet my life or any other form of barter on that proposition.

Capiche?

[whereisjustice]

58. No, I said he is the front runner. Which he is per time of my post. Whether he stays that way doesn'

matter. The damage has been done. The next Trump will be even more extreme than the current one. That' because Democratic Party legitimizes Trump by being unresponsive to the needs of the non-rich.

Like TPP for example. And lack of justice for Wall Street crime.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. No, I said he is the front runner

No, I said he is the front runner

That is dispositive of nothing:

Cain leads Romney by eight nationally, Perry in 4th

PPP surveyed 484 usual Republican primary voters nationally from October 7th to 10th.The margin of error for the survey is +/-4.5%. This poll was not paid for or authorized by
any campaign or political organization. PPP surveys are conducted through automated
telephone interviews. PPP is a Democratic polling company, but polling expert Nate
Silver of the New York Times found that its surveys in 2010 actually exhibited a slight
bias toward Republican candidates.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_US_10121122.pdf

[whereisjustice]

60. Trump exists because DNC has left a power vacuum for middle class representation. It's that simple.

Trump is exploiting that fact.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. Re: The Trumpster

With all due respect your original post is an allegory of how the Democratic National Committee through its incompetence and malfeasance has created this juggernaut, The Trumpster, that will destroy everything in his path. I will defer to Kafka, " 'In man's struggle against the world, bet on the world."

[whereisjustice]

62. As a result of DNC deliberate actions, the Democratic Party has moved too far right

it is nearly unrecognizable as an opposition party to Republicans except ona few social issues. When DNC stops shilling for TPP, war, privatization, NSA spying, amnesty for Wall Street crime, big oil... then it will be harder for a Trump to gain traction.

Trump is the first extremist to gain this much traction in a long, long time.

Hillary and DNC pandering and self-serving insincerity are to blame. DNC doesn't give a fuck about working families, only about the families we work for.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

63. Let's stay with the Trumpster

He is not going to be the nominee . As I demonstrated at this point in the 012 cycle Herman Cain was the nominee...

[whereisjustice]

64. You should start another OP about Trump. My OP is about DNC enablement of Trump

by deliberate neglect of working people. Instead, DNC favors policy which rewards the rich over the non-rich.

The mainstream has failed. This fact continues to give rise to extremists.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

65. I fail to see the overarching saliency of an outside candidate doing well ...

I fail to see the overarching saliency of an outside candidate doing well four months before any votes were cast.

What did you think of the Herman Cain presidency?

[JoePhilly]

30. That's some serious crazy right there.

[treestar]

31. Threats of violence?

What threats of violence?

[whereisjustice]

45. Are you serious? Her State Dept. was Violence Depot. Drones, cluster bombs, regime change

Most recently, in the middle of negotiations:

“The U.S. will never allow you to acquire a nuclear weapon,” she said Wednesday. “I will not hesitate to take military action if Iran attempts to obtain a nuclear weapon.

She had no business saber rattling accept to advance her own self interests . She just moves from stunt to stunt.

[treestar]

52. You would be fine with Iran getting a nuclear weapon?

[whereisjustice]

54. Are you going to stay on the topic of Hillary's regular call for/threat of violence?

[Faux pas]

33. Kickin'

[LongTomH]

34. K&R for truth

I endorse everything the OP says!

[Bloofer]

38. Trump must be stopped

He's a clown

[olddots]

39. I see it as two TV shows

SCANDAL verses AMERICAN IDOL .

Hillary is a big buck soap opera with too many charactors and Trump is a fake reality show about bullshit corny show bizz popularity .

[whereisjustice]

44. You've got a very good point there. It's a symptom of isolation though, people living

vicariously through people who represent the opportunity they'll never have because, the fact is, neither candidate gives a shit about them.

By watching some else's success perhaps they feel like they are successful, too. Even as their jobs and pay goes to India.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. If Trump is the nominee I will cut off my head and eat it on youtube.

I started a thread several months ago that Scott Walker was a joke of a candidate and I had no fear of him. I google my screen name from time to time to see what comes up. Well, my name came up at the Cave and they were laughing at my prediction. Who is laughing now?

[leftofcool]

42. I'll bring the wine.

[whereisjustice]

43. The inability of the Hillary to support the middle class has created space for Donald Trump

That's a fact. The DNC is cutting it very close - signaling to their Wall Street benefactors that the nominee will not challenge banks, while transparently pandering to the middle class and below in order to keep them interested such that Wall Street gets the goodies they've been promised.

Hillary is a very hard sell. She was wrong on Iraq, her tenure at State Dept. left chaos in its wake, she happily acknowledges that she is a Wall Street girl, and she did a good job at using her position at Sec. of State to solicit funds for her private foundation.

In other words she's just more of the lost wages, lost jobs, Wall Street corruption, wars, etc.

People will vote for trump out of protest. They hate the way Washington works.

Hillary wants you to vote for her because she IS the way Washington works.

[LiberalElite]

51. DNC = Democracy Nullifcation Caucus nt