Dear Sanders Supporters

[whatchamacallit]

I love you folks! For months you've been hearing what terrible people you are, but I think your choice of candidate says a lot about you: intelligent, fair, honest, empathetic, forward-thinking progressives, who really desire to make this country a better home for all of us. Keep the faith, tune out the noise, and continue doing what you can to make the good man known as Bernie the next POTUS!

[Autumn]

1. You know what? We're going to do this.

He's the President we need and deserve, I love my fellow Bernie supporters too. Let's get this done for the future!

[whatchamacallit]

2. :)

[HockeyTown4Ever]

48. We all love Bernie but....

The zeitgeist says that Bernie is not a serious candidate, when that changes Bernie is going to have to face a level of scrutiny that he has never seen before. We aren't sure how he is going to handle that.
Right now Bernie has 3 problems with the electorate in general
1. He's old and he looks old. That's not a plus versus any other candidate.
2. He's a Jew. Do not underestimate the anti-semitism still alive in this country.
3. He's a policy wonk. Sure, that's why we all love Bernie - we understand what he's saying and can apply that to our hopes for the future of our country. But, most people aren't really paying attention to or understand policy issues.
Finally, Bernie has a problem with women that is a little hard to explain so I'll just put it the way that my wife put it to me.
"We have a real opportunity, for the first time in the history of this nation, to elect a woman President. And you want me to vote for some old fart that can't be bothered to comb his hair?"
OUCH! But I understood her point.

[Maedhros]

49. Thank you for your concern. [n/t]

[restorefreedom]

55. i stopped reading at

"he's a jew."

if you don't believe this crap, you are not helping anyone by repeating it. we all know the hrc/dnc/gop talking points.

the expression "with friends like these....." comes to mind

there are enough enemies of bernie spouting this filth. we don't need it coming from a supporter, if you are a bernie supporter.

please try and stay positive....,that is what will succeed!

[HockeyTown4Ever]

68. You're denying reality

I did not say that I did not believe these things. I absolutely believe that these are the issues that Bernie will struggle with in a general election.
I can tell from your accusing response that you're all in for Bernie and there would be no point in continuing a discussion with you. It's great to be enthusiastic for your candidate but not the point of denying reality. I believe that these are the issues Bernie is going to have to deal with if he becomes the Democratic nominee.

[restorefreedom]

77. i know the reality

but we all know what obama faced as well..he faced virulent hatred and he is a two term president

our own negativity can defeat us as much as the gop smear machine

[passiveporcupine]

94. This should not even be allowed here

Some people used to say, "he's black".

[Aerows]

163. It really shouldn't

and it upset me.

[Duckfan]

134. Lost me after Not a serious candidate.

How unfortunate that some people seem to give up and let the status quo continue--opposed to fighting for something real without the extra calories and high in nutrition for a country.

Hope that made some sense with the analogy.

[PosterChild]

100. You forgot to add that he is a socialist . ...

.... and the American people are not going to elect a socialist.

[olegramps]

103. I don't know about the validity of your points, but his record on gun control could be a problem.

[HockeyTown4Ever]

106. Not in the general....

I don't think Bernie's position on gun control will hurt him at all in the General election. As I understand his position, he is mildly pro-2nd Amendment. That's pretty much how the general electorate polls on gun control. His position may not help him much but I don't think it will hurt him either.

[stage left]

104. I'm a woman and I think

his hair is epic.

[HockeyTown4Ever]

113. Sadly....

My wife isn't as enlightened as you when it comes to politics. She doesn't pay attention to the polls, shows disdain for the debates and doesn't watch Fox or MSNBC. She's a pretty typical disengaged voter. I don't ever see her voting Republican but I also don't see her voting in the primary for a guy who, in her words, "looks like a Muppet".
We all love Bernie's policies but his image is what the disengaged voter responds to. Bernie needs to improve his image to improve his electability factor.
Think image isn't important? What have the Republicans been trying to do with HRC? Destroy her image. They try to paint a woman who has polled as the most admired woman in the world for 17 of the last 18 years as a serial liar. Look at the image they're trying to project for Fiorina. An actual bald-faced liar and business failure is truthful and somehow Presidential? The polls show how the unenlightened public falls for those story lines. Both George W. Bush and Barack Obama got elected on IMAGE!
When it comes to image, Bernie has a steep hill to climb.

[Duckfan]

135. You seem to forget the Smirking Chimp couldn't speak in ...

complete sentences. Bernie is a Harvard Professor compared to the moron. And if people are only judging Bernie on how his hair looks, then I don't want to be near someone with that lack of intelligence or inability to get the earwax out and listen to what he says.

[HockeyTown4Ever]

146. Apparently you're not paying attention....

...we have a whole nation full of people you wouldn't want to be near. Surprised that, after 2 terms of W, you haven't figured that out by now.

[bkkyosemite]

139. She's your wife you need to instruct her

on the important issues. The only one with their heart in the important every day issues is Bernie...let her know get her motivated...come on you can do it.

[valerief]

108. Sounds like you're making an effort to put out another candidate's why-to-hate-Bernie points. nt

[HockeyTown4Ever]

115. Discovered! Oh no!

Why am I wasting time here? This isn't thoughtful discussion on how Bernie could improve his image and maybe get elected.

[valerief]

117. He's not going to get younger (Hillary's no spring chicken either) or get less Jewish, so

those things aren't even worth mentioning. Unless you want to stress them.

[cui bono]

133. If comments were made about Hillary's age and hair we'd never hear the end of it.

If you want to discuss issues then have at it, but empty talking points that are meant as negative pot shots aren't thoughtful discussion. If thoughtful discussion is what you want then start one.

[HockeyTown4Ever]

147. These aren't issues now but they will be....

and Bernie's campaign needs to deal with them right out of the gate. I want a Democrat to win the election and, if Bernie doesn't deal with his image issues I don't see how he will win. It is evident that you all see how Bernie can win but I'm still skeptical. I haven't seen him take on the issues that will make it tougher for him in the general election.

[cui bono]

152. Again, those aren't issues. Those are false problems used as excuses.

In politics issues are the issues that the people and the country face.

What do you expect him to do to deal with your "issues"? Shave his head? Become a born again christian? Discover the fountain of youth?

You should stop with the smear mongering. You are not bringing up real issues, you are just trying to bring down Sanders. As you can see by his crowds, people are not concerned with your 'concerns'.

Are you concerned that Hillary dyes her hair? That she's old? That people don't trust her? That people don't like her? That she condones adultery? That she has an email problem? That she has a Benghazi problem?

See how that works? Is that what you want?

[AgingAmerican]

114. he is the only serious candidate

[AdHocSolver]

122. Is your wife planning to vote for Carly Fiorina? n/t

[HockeyTown4Ever]

148. No, she would likely never vote for a Republican...

...and she has a huge problem with Fiorina's image. Knowing nothing of her policies my wife sees Fiorina as a "hard faced bitch". Whatever that means, I don't think it's flattering.

[Hiraeth]

131. I am a woman and I think Bernie is bringing back the sexy to the grey. Also, I am willing to wait

and vote for a woman who really seems to get it ... Elizabeth Warren.

I did not vote for Obama because he is black and by the same reasoning I won't for HRC (just) because she is a woman.

That is demeaning to every one involved including your wife.

[zentrum]

132. So we should

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…..understand and cater to the country's ageist prejudices. Even though that's not what good feminists would really do.

Guess I'll stick, as a woman, with Bernie.

[HockeyTown4Ever]

149. Yes, we should understand the country's prejudices...

...we aren't likely to resolve them in the next 18 months. If we don't understand them and adjust our own strategy to minimize their effect we're going to end up with President Trump.
Bernie is a great guy and promotes policies that we would love to see implemented, the trick is to get him elected. Ignoring the uninformed voter is something we Democrats do at our own peril. The undecided (read: uninformed) voter is the key to election victory. Like it or not, they vote based on image and their votes count just as much as ours.

[zentrum]

156. Yeah, I guess….

….We should just stick with the same thinking that told us the country wasn't ready to elect a black man named Barack Hussain. Never happen, they told us.

[smilingwen]

137. Milarkey

I know LOTS of women, me included, who do not see anything on your list as a problem. I am all for a woman president if she is the best choice, but Bernie is the best choice!

[HockeyTown4Ever]

151. BTW - it MALARKEY, not milarkey

I haven't posted on this board for many months (years?). I'd forgotten why but now I am reminded. This is the left's version of Free Republic. Everyone here sees no problem with Bernie and assumes everything is all rainbows and glitter. I'm not that optimistic - I know that Conservatives will stop at NOTHING to win an election and I question whether Bernie has the metal and team in place to counteract their inevitable assault.

[bkkyosemite]

138. I am a woman and I assure you

it does not make a difference. I am voting for the best choice and it is not someone who has lied, who is bed partners with Monsanto and Wall Street...woman or not it's the values and morals plus the genuine caring for the 99% that makes me vote for someone...Feel the Bern...

[HockeyTown4Ever]

150. It doesn't make a difference to YOU

...because you're an informed and partisan voter. About 1/3 of the electorate agrees with you. Another 1/3 vehemently disagrees with your assessments. Finally, the last 1/3 doesn't even pay attention.
It's that last 1/3 that decides the election and it's largely based on image. That's why the GOP has been hell-bent on destroying HRC's image and why Bernie needs to work on his. Whomever our candidate is they need to WIN the election.

[cui bono]

154. Oh, is that how your smear mongering game works?

You get to speak for the people and we only get to speak for us.

What a joke.

Why are you posting here all of a sudden when you've been a member since 2001? You're very busy in this thread for some reason. Hm... wonder why that is?

Bernie can win the general. Hillary can't. For your very reason. Republicans HATE Hillary. NONE of them will vote for her. Bernie has appealed to many moderate Republicans already and also many indies.

So you can relax and stop being so 'concerned' now.

[MoveIt]

165. More like sockey town 4 ever

Member since: 2001
Number of posts: 14
Number of posts, last 90 days: 12
Favorite forum: General Discussion: Primaries, 11 posts in the last 90 days (92% of total posts)

[artislife]

54. Big group hug!

[azmom]

61. Love you guys

[Autumn]

93. Right back atcha. I'm glad you are here

[beam me up scottie]

3. Great op, thanks for the reminder not to take the bait!

[Autumn]

5. Exactly so. As whatchamacallit said , we need to ignore the noise.

Because that's all it is.

[beam me up scottie]

8. They are trying to distract from the issues, let's not help them do it.

[Autumn]

15. I think if we ignore the nonsense the acrimony here will did down. Leave them to their OPs

and their candidate and we should stick to ours, they can't change our minds and we can't change theirs. DU will be a better place.

[beam me up scottie]

16. They sure do post a lot of ops for people who have been "silenced".

And you're absolutely right, no one on DU is paying any attention to the smears outside of GDP.

It's okay to call them out when they're dishonest but best to leave the obvious flamebait to them.

[Autumn]

20. We need to stop responding to those OPs. I'm just as guilty as the next person

I responded to this OP knowing full well it was flame bait and had nothing to do with the issues.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251643334

You know who kept that OP alive? We Bernie supporters did that, look at the responses. Even the HRC supporters wouldn't touch that OP.
We need to stop doing that. Concentrate on each other and getting Bernie elected. We Sanders need to take the first step to end the nastiness.

[beam me up scottie]

21. I did as well.

If anyone deserves to be ignored it's the ones who post at sites that troll DU for fun - because their agenda is clear.

[Autumn]

23. Yes it is. We Sanders supporters need to step up and stop the foolishness

of falling for the divisive game and end the nastiness here on DU. Leave them to do what they choose, we as supporters of Bernie Sanders need to make the choice to be better

[beam me up scottie]

24. I made an effort this week but when they blamed Bernie for the gun deaths it was on.

Exploiting a tragedy by blaming Bernie even though he is pro-gun control is despicable.

DUers should be attacking Republicans, not Dem candidates who are on the same side of the issue.

That said I'm going to try to go back to ignoring the bullshit.

[Autumn]

25. Lies and smears we should respond to those.

Respond once and then move on. No arguments no useless back and forth. DU will be a better place.

[beam me up scottie]

26. Absolutely!

It's all about the facts, bout the facts, bout the facts, no bullshit!

(sung to the melody of 'It's all About the Bass' by Meghan Trainor)

[Autumn]

27. Oh I like that and I love that song!

[passiveporcupine]

97. I can't help but wonder

How many of these new trolls are Hillary supporters who supposedly left DU for their safe forum, but come back now under a different name to troll us? Hmmmmm.

[artislife]

99. My thoughts exactly

There seems to be no learning curve and they post a lot of OPs. And they sound familiar.

[AlbertCat]

34. We need to stop responding to those OPs.

Not if they are telling lies about Sanders or spreading GOP memes.

But of course most of them are about how "awful" we are, and little is said about Sanders' positions or history (except lies and misinfo)

[beam me up scottie]

57. Oh by all means, respond with facts and get out of there!

No need to feed under bridge dwellers and waste your time when there are so many other great threads here to kick and rec!

[Autumn]

59. And those are the ones we need to stay out of. Those are the ones where alerts fly over

personal attacks. If it's not about Sanders in GDP we shouldn't even respond to the thread. That way there is no division or hard feelings.

[William769]

79. I just read your profile page.

Sorry to hear you will not be serving on juries anymore.

What a bummer.

[zappaman]

82. Yikes!

[Autumn]

95. I don't mind at all. I don't have to serve or read posts in those groups that I had trashed and

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I no longer have to donate. I haven't found a downside yet .

[zappaman]

96. I would consider it an honor to donate for you...

When DU goes back to DU and rallies around the candidate in GE!

[reddread]

107. that will be a new dawn

and i look forward to your supporting the candidate we do.

[zappaman]

116. Of course.

Won't everybody?

[reddread]

118. I get the feeling there might be some holdouts lacing their tennies

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=634170

[Autumn]

85. No one can accuse me of stacking the jury against Hillary supporters.

[beam me up scottie]

86. This is true!

One less DUer trying to silence other posters, it's a shame more aren't committed to doing the same thing.

EDITED.

[Autumn]

87. That screen shot never gets old

[beam me up scottie]

88. I got a hide for posting it last week so I EDITED it out.

[Autumn]

89. Did you really get a hide for that?

[beam me up scottie]

90. Yep.

But I'm still posting it when it's relevant.

cali didn't deserve to get targeted like that. No one does.

[Autumn]

92. No that wasn't fair to her.

[cui bono]

124. Is that "selfish" troll still on MIRT?

[Jesus Malverde]

126. Jury Results

On Sat Oct 3, 2015, 07:13 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Is that "selfish" troll still on MIRT?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=645069

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling a member of MIRT a troll is way over the top. Also it would be for any DU member. Please hide this to let this person that this is not ok to do.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Oct 3, 2015, 07:22 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: When trolls are obvious they should be called out.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think it's OK. Jus' sayin'.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

MIRT needs to clean it's own house.

[cui bono]

128. Thanks for posting!

I guess it's only okay to the alerter for MIRT members to actively alert stalk other DU members.

Hm... that doesn't seem right.

[Major Nikon]

127. Results...

Mail Message
On Sat Oct 3, 2015, 07:13 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Is that "selfish" troll still on MIRT?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=645069

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling a member of MIRT a troll is way over the top. Also it would be for any DU member. Please hide this to let this person that this is not ok to do.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Oct 3, 2015, 07:22 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: When trolls are obvious they should be called out.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think it's OK. Jus' sayin'.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[cui bono]

129. Thanks!

There isn't even a name mentioned... but that MIRT member did admit to actively alert stalking cali to get her a fifth hide. Does the alerter think that's okay?

I wonder...

[passiveporcupine]

98. Hi Bill

Nice to see you!

[Bobbie Jo]

112. Ouch

[sabrina 1]

140. Lol, a lot of your friends won't be around for a while. Or serviing on juries.

Those are the breaks. You break the rules, you take your chances.

Btw, have you banned the person who posted the bigoted garbage that polluted your site yet? Thankfully we have a system on this site that rids it of such individuals as quickly as possible.

Ugh, wouldn't click that link again for a million bucks.

And btw, I agree with the OP, Bernie supporters, growing in number by the minute, are incredibly wonderful.

Go Bernie!

Woot!

Just heard! Over 26,000 in Boston today for Bernie! The man is like the energizer bunny, he just keeps on gathering more and more support!

[cui bono]

153. Just read your sig.

Sorry to see you are still promoting a hate filled smear mongering site.

What a bummer.

[William769]

155. Feel free to post where there is hate on the site.

[cui bono]

157. You really want to go there or are you just trying to get me a hide?

You know very well last weekend was EPIC with screenshots of your vile hate spewing site all over DU.

[William769]

159. Once again all you need to do is back up your assertion. Otherwise people will know whats going on

Here. And it won't look kindly on you.

They can even go look for themselves. Anyone interested just follow the link in my sig line.

Also if you think it's a hate site, please I beg you report it to the SPLC. Then this matter of a "hate site" can be cleared up.

Balls in your court.

[cui bono]

160. Oh, aren't you coy.

You hide all the evidence in the secret basement and then invite everyone to come look in the living room as proof that there's nothing to find. You really do think we are stupid over here, don't you.

That's rich. We all know you hid the worst of it from public view. It is astounding that you think no one knows what's going on. Like a 7 year old lying to their parents about something that they clearly know about.

Also if you think it's a hate site, please I beg you report it to the SPLC. Then this matter of a "hate site" can be cleared up.

Now you're really showing how immature you are.


Okay... jury... he asked for the links and the evidence... Drumroll please...

(thank you)

Start here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=616648

That'll keep you busy.

Then go here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=54711

This one is good:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251626478
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=626601 <--- screenshot here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=626526 <--- screenshot here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=626590 <--- be sure to read this post about "your" juries

Here's an OP started by one of your favorite DUers:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251623308

If that doesn't convince you... well even if it does, you'll never admit it. But thanks for getting me to put them all in one place. Now I can add this post to my journal for reference.

<--- right back atcha!

[okasha]

161. If you've been to William'a site since the screenshot,

you know very well that your post is a misrepresentation.

I'm assuming you have been back. Frequently.

[cui bono]

164. No, it's not a misrepresentation. Not in the least.

I understand he - and apparently you - would like people to think that it is. But as I stated in my post, he has merely put the filth out of sight. It still continues in the secret area. And even if it doesn't, he allowed and participated in and promoted the site with all the vile hatred on it, and the "Issues" forum was closed the whole time until he got ridiculed for that.

So no. Running and promoting a site that spews filth for a month in several forums while having the "Issues" forum remain unopened and closed to posting shows exactly what that site and William - aka Bill - are all about.

I provided the documentation he demanded. Now he can live with it. And you can live with defending the hate and venom.

The only saving grace is that you guys are actually ashamed of it as evidenced by the attempt at a cover up, even if it is done as a denial.

[okasha]

166. Shhhhh.....

I'll tell you a secret.

That "hidden" part of the site goes straight to Roswell. This will keep you safe:

[cui bono]

167. I'd rather not take advice from someone that says that Bernie will become a Lobbyist

if he loses.

Talk about

No reason to think the members only forum is a conspiracy - it's right there for everyone to not be able to get into. I don't know where you came from but the more you try to convince others that what I say isn't true, well me thinks thou doth protest too much.

Go ahead and have the last word. I can see you need it. Make it good.

It's actually wonderful that you are kicking this particular OP by defending the hate filled Clinton Cave.

[okasha]

170. it's just that I'm so totally impressed and amazed

by how you manage to see what's allegedly hidden in a secret forum. How do you do it? Is it pure ESP? Do you use a "peep stone" as Joseph Smith claimed he did? Do you hear voices?

Enquiring minds want to know.

[beam me up scottie]

173. The anti-Semitic posts were enough for me.

They usually get hidden here but not at that site where accusing Bernie of having a nest egg in Israel is just fine.

It's hard to believe they're still trying to defend that bigotry.

Thank dawg for DU's TOS.

[Autumn]

188. Wow just WOW

[cui bono]

189. I had that reaction to this one that I saw for the first time today:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7361906

[sabrina 1]

190. My reaction too. Wow! WTF?

[NanceGreggs]

171. Take a good look around DU ...

... and tell us how anyone who posts here is in a position to label any other site as a "hate filled smear mongering site".

[cui bono]

172. Here's how:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=647936

Now please, please, please provide examples of anything on DU that is 1/10 as bad as that smut. The whole reason you guys post over there is to say the vile shit you would get time outs for here. Oh, no, also to plot about who you will alert stalk next and apparently how to get your own jury over here. Yep, read about it at the link. It's got pretty pictures too! Okay, not so pretty, just pretty ugly.

[NanceGreggs]

175. As though ...

... the PMs don't fly around here suggesting who to "target" for hides, who to "go after", who is ripe to be swept into an argument that will lead to something "alertable".

You are either incredibly naive, or unbelievably - well, let's just leave it at incredibly naive.

Here on DemocraticUnderground, President Obama has been called every vile name one can think of. It has been posted here that he is "on the take", has made secret deals with corporations for money to be paid to him after he leaves office, is a "secret Republican" set-up in the WH to do their bidding, a Trojan Horse, a Manchurian Candidate - even a "piece of shit used car salesman", a lovely piece that adorned the Home Page of this "Democratic" site.

There has been no Democrat spared - Reid, Pelosi, Dean, etc. It's difficult to take DemocraticUnderground seriously when it's been a repository for every anti-Dem comment conceivable - and now even includes links to RW bullshit profferred as valid reportage.

What's amusing is how many posters here are livid over the idea that DU members are being talked about on another site, while they have absolutely NO problem with how Democrats are talked about here on DemocraticUnderground. You'd think that Democrats would be more concerned with what gets said about their fellow Party members and elected representatives. But then how many actual Democrats are even active here anymore?

Given what's been posted here - and continues to be posted here - about the President, our Dems in office, and the Party as a whole, getting your knickers in a twist over comments on another site about DU's posters is beyond ludicrous.

Hey, you people wanted the HRC supporters off this site. Well, congratulations! A lot of us have gone elsewhere, and the fact that you are obsessed with what gets said there as opposed to what gets said here speaks for itself.

The real problem people here are having is that HRC supporters are leaving DU - which means there's no one to bully, call names, intimidate, and harass. Unfortunately for many DUers, that's taken all the fun out of posting here at all. It's a classic case of be careful what you wish for.

Again, take a look around DU, and look at what's been said about HRC supporters, Obama supporters, Democratic Party supporters - and then tell me how anyone who posts that bullshit is in a position to comment on the "hatred" that gets posted elsewhere.

[cui bono]

176. There is a difference between criticizing a politician over policy decisions that affect our lives

and spewing vile hatred towards people of a website that you participate on.

But go ahead and keep right on defending the hatred and justifying your participation in it. It's good to know who thinks that that is just fine and dandy. Many are happy to see the true character of those they encounter on DU. Go ahead and read the threads at my links, you'll see how people were flabbergasted by the behavior exhibited over there. And if it is so squeaky clean, why the need to clean it up?

I will tell you since you asked me to, that people on here are in a very good position to post about the hatred you guys spew over there, and your coordinated attacks against DUers because it actually happens and has been documented as shown above.

It is a fact. Deal with it.

[NanceGreggs]

177. Yeah.

Again you are more concerned with what gets said about DU members than you are about the hatred towards Democrats that gets spewed on DemocraticUnderground on a daily basis.

We've seen where your priorities lie. That's why we went elsewhere. You don't give a flying fuck what gets said about Democrats - your only concern is what gets said about the people who post here.

Well, DU is pretty much all yours now - it belongs to the RW trolls, the Paulbots, the Libertarians, and god knows what else.

Maybe if you weren't so bored to death with what gets posted here, you wouldn't be so obsessed with what gets posted elsewhere.

[cui bono]

179. LOL! Thanks for the in depth psychoanalysis. Saved me thousands of dollars!

I get it. You hate DU. You hate DU so much you can't stay away. If you went elsewhere because you hate DU and its members so damn much... well... why do you keep coming back?

[NanceGreggs]

180. No in-depth anything there ...

... just common sense.

You are more concerned with what gets said about DU posters than you are with what gets said about Democrats on a "Democratic" site. That's apparent.

Why do I post here? Why don't you pose that question to the posters here who have never, ever said a single positive thing about the Party, its elected reps, or its members? Why don't you ask them why they joined a "Democratic" website for the sole purpose of disparaging Democrats?

You obviously think it's terrible that Democrats who support a Democrat (HRC) have moved to a site where Democrats gather. Why do you have no problem with all of the anti-Dem bullshit that gets posted here?

Again, you might want to look around at what does get posted here - it's a real eye-opener as to what - uh - "Democrats" have to say about the party they allegedly belong to.

[cui bono]

181. "No in-depth anything there ..."

On that we can agree!

Maybe we should end on a positive note rather than have you continue to post the type of thing you are complaining about. As to your characterizations of me, they are completely illogical and off the mark. You just not making any sense. And it makes no sense that you keep coming back to DU just to complain about DU and how awful it is. Newsflash: you don't have to read DU. It's not a requirement of anything that I know.

Go do something that makes you smile. You could use it.

[NanceGreggs]

182. I wil post what I want, where I want, and when I want.

This is (allegedly) a Democratic site - and if I want to complain about all of the anti-Democratic shit that's allowed to be posted here, I will do so.

[cui bono]

183. I didn't tell you you couldn't post. Just suggesting that since it clearly makes your blood boil

to come to this site that you go do something that puts a smile on your face. I thought it was a good idea and helpful solution.

As it is, you're complaining about DU's something or other that you believe exists here, and then you come here and post these really angry posts disparaging DU and its members that are pretty much exactly what you are complaining about (Democrats post here). So I'm not sure I understand why you keep coming here and posting here since you are only making it exactly what you claim to despise and "run away" from to the other totally vile and hate-filled site where you apparently gleefully participate in said hatred by your posts on DU defending it.

I'm just really confused. You seem to be putting yourself into a situation where you just keep spiraling into more and more anger. And that's why I suggested you go do something that will put a smile on your face. Life is a lot easier when you are not so angry all the time.

[NanceGreggs]

184. Let me set you straight.

You BS supporters are constantly telling other posters that they're angry, their blood is boiling, and/or they're "terrified" of everything. Classic projection.

Why I post here is, quite frankly, none of your business. But I AM a Democrat, and will defend Democrats whenever and wherever I please.

"Democrats post here. Some of the people who post here are Democrats. But a LOT of them aren't. Again, your main concern is what gets said about fellow posters here - you have absolutely no concern about what gets said about Democrats - regardless of how vile, how vicious, how RW bullshitty the comments here are.

As for the HRC site being "hate-filled", we're back to square one. Take a good fuckin' look around DU and tell yourself that the disgusting things that get posted here daily aren't full of hate.

I am not the least bit angry - what I am is truly appalled at what this place has become. And I will complain about, comment on it, and defend Democrats and the Party on what still pretends to be a Democratic site, whether it suits you or not.

[cui bono]

185. I'm in no need of straightening.

Got it done this morning actually! Man, it feels so good... gotta love chiropractors!

If you are not the least bit angry you certainly are doing a fantastic job of impersonating someone who is. Not to mention someone who complains and complains and complains about something they are constantly doing themselves. What's that called again?

And listen, we both know why you all post over at the Clinton Cave, because you guys would get hides and time outs for posting that vile filth over here. So no. DU is simply not as you describe it to be, go ahead and document it if it is, you've seen the documentation of the shit posted at the Clinton Cave. I realize you need to make that false equivalence in order to justify participating in that slime pit, but it just isn't true. Many DUers have compared the Clinton Cave to the Conservative Cave and that's how they gave it its nickname. It didn't just happen in fantasyland, it happened because the forums are almost indistinguishable from the other Cave. Except I don't think the other Cave has methods to get their "own juries". Perhaps they do try to come here and alert stalk like you guys, I really don't know that much about it having only peeked in there once when I first heard about it.

I'm still flabbergasted that you just can't stop insulting DU and its members and yet you really want to be here and post angry posts all over the place. You sought out this argument and you have been nothing but rude and angry in every post you've made in this exchange. I guess I don't understand why someone would keep coming back to wallow in what they think is a disgusting hate-filled place. It is truly dumbfounding. Yet somewhat fascinating.

Now seriously, go do something that makes you smile. You could really, really use it. No one should have to be so angry all the time.

[NanceGreggs]

186. You're projecting again.

And quite frankly, it's boring me to tears.

[cui bono]

187. Oh, good, at least I'm helping you with your anger.

You're welcome.

And btw... I don't think "projecting" means what you think it does. But don't worry, I won't ask you to apologize. I wouldn't want you to have to become an "apologist".

[rhett o rick]

66. I've decided to put those that try to bait me into saying something "hidible" on ignore.

I really don't have time for their raindeer games.

[Scootaloo]

28. Or if you DO take the bait, black marlin that shit

[beam me up scottie]

29. Wow! Hell of a fight!

I'm guessing the marlin didn't make it, too bad, I was rooting for him.

But we're not fish and we're going to win this!

[Scootaloo]

30. They released him, according to the video description

I'll bet it was the call of the dude that the fish pegged with a deck chair.

[beam me up scottie]

47. That's great!!!

Any creature that fights that hard to survive deserves another shot at it!

[azmom]

62. Damn straight we ain't fish.

LOL

[Jesus Malverde]

130. DUZY!..nt

[jtuck004]

4. iow, eyes on the prize. n/t

[whatchamacallit]

52. Yup

[sibelian]

6. I think they've decided they don't need us.

That morphs rapidly into territory that the ideas we support aren't needed either.

There's a trick here - power is necessary to achieve. Of COURSE it is. But when the system favours people making and acting on the observation that the nature of the achievement must be mutable in order to acheive ANYTHING then the influence of their achievements tends to become inreasingly shallow and impermanent.

Usually you end up with aiming for the lowest hanging fruit.

The rest of the fruit starts to rot.

Before long the branches are bare.

[whatchamacallit]

7. That seems to be the political syndrome we suffer and support

We can must do better.

[sibelian]

12. I agree, and I'd go further - triangulation has poisonous side effects

largely invisible to the triangulator - it tends to pull the entire system in the direction tended to by triangulation.

I think Republicans understand this far better than Democrats.

The triangulator often doesn't spot this.

You don't see Republicans trying to appeal to the left, do you?

[whatchamacallit]

13. Interesting observation

I agree.

[cantbeserious]

9. Right On - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corprate Evils - Go Bernie Go

eom

[HelenWheels]

10. Best of luck

as you will need it. Bernie is wonderful but he is not going to make it. Even if he would win the primary there is no chance in hell he would win the election. Sorry, in a perfect world he would win but we do not live in a perfect world. If you refuse to vote for Hilary you will be dooming us all to a Repuke takeover with all that entails.

[blondie58]

14. He could and will Win

When enough people- especially the Young, show up to vote for him.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

123. Like I have said before.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

[jkbRN]

17. This post is not about Hillary

No need to come here with that type of rhetoric. People will vote for Hillary if they want to--HRC supporters need to stop telling everyone what to do (this includes you).

I live in CA, so I'm not gonna go out and vote for her in the general election--she'll win this state in the GE IFFFFF she becomes the nominee. So please stop telling everyone what to do--I have a feeling you are just driving people further away from even wanting to support her for the GE, if she were to win the primaries. (at least that's what happened for me).

[Scootaloo]

32. "I won't vote for him becuase he won't win."

I'm sorry but that's just not a logically coherent statement.

If you think Sanders is wonderful... then vote for him. help him win. That's how it works.

[thesquanderer]

35. Funny, I think the reverse.

I think it will be very tough for him to win the nomination, but if he does, I think he has the better chance of winning the general!

Some related thoughts...

... all the national polls are pointless, because president's aren't selected by majority vote (just ask Al Gore). You have to look at the states, and specifically, the states that are in play. (i.e. no Republican will take New York away from either Hillary or Bernie.) It's really way too early and there's been too little state-specific polling, but along those lines, this article is interesting:

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/07/22/poll-crucial-swing-states-shows-sanders-electable-clinton.html

... The right is more anti-Hillary than they are anti-Bernie, they've been stoking hillary-hate for decades, they can't possibly whip up that much hate for Bernie in a matter of months. There is a group who will be motivated to come out just to vote against Hillary, regardless of who the Republican candidate is. Sanders won't have that strike against him.

... The right, like the left, has a contingent that is just sick of "business as usual" (hence the popularity of Trump/Carson/Fiorina). Assuming the Republicans end up nominating a more conventional candidate, some of these voters may stay home rather than vote for either a Bush (or similar) or a Clinton, but may just consider voting for Bernie as a kind of poke in the eye to the establishment. And there are libertarian-style people on the right who may be drawn to Sanders on things like the patriot act, foreign policy, warrantless wiretapping and the like. He certainly isn't their ideal candidate, but "half a Paul" may be better than none, if the alternative is a mainstream Republican. Republicans do sometimes vote for Democrats (and vice versa)... you can't assume they are all a lost cause. I think Bernie can potentially get more of them than Hillary can. He supposedly got 25% of the republican vote in Vermont.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/18/bernie_sanders_i_got_25_of_the_republican_vote_in_vermont.html

(And I'm sure Hillary got Republican votes in New York, too.)

... There are so many other variables that will alter the landscape between now and the GE. For example, maybe you'd see a Sanders candidacy more positively with the right running mate (Elizabeth Warren?), or against a given opponent. I think it's awfully early for anyone to be saying he'd have "no chance in hell."

[AlbertCat]

38. he is not going to make it

Well, she didn't make it the last time so I don't know why you think she will this time.

See...she lost the last primary.... to an unknown black man. That is fact.

Your speculation has little to stand on.

[Comrade Grumpy]

40. You must assimilate!

[Scootaloo]

43. Unrelated, but a great way to piss off nerds...

[Ed Suspicious]

45. Yup. Pissed indeed. Knee-jerk pissed. Then I breathed deeply, thought about it, and settled to a

mild discomfort.

[Maedhros]

51. I refuse to succumb to the politics of fear, and I won't be bullied into voting for Hillary.

/bye.

[passiveporcupine]

101. It's because we've been succumbing to the politics of fear

That we are in the shape we are in now. You know what they say about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome?

Well, this time, we are going to fight for a different outcome.

[Maedhros]

119. Only this time the rhetoric is even more absurd:

"Vote for the Lesser of Two Goods in the Primary, so that we must vote for the Lesser of Two Evils in the General."

I've got a better idea: let's vote for the better candidate in both.

[passiveporcupine]

121. Agreed!

[artislife]

102. Dooming h supported

Don't make it tempting.

[eridani]

143. He appeals to the 63%. Clinton does not n/t

[Vinca]

11. I ran into a truly great Sanders supporter today.

She was moving and holding a yard sale for Bernie. I didn't really want anything, but I thought it was such a nice thing to do I bought something anyway.

[jkbRN]

19. Omg what a great idea!!

[beam me up scottie]

22. That was a very kind thing to do, Vinca.

And another reason why I love Bernie's supporters!

[Ed Suspicious]

46. Almost like victory gardens in a way.

[SMC22307]

91. I had a MoveOn "Bake Back the White House" sale at a community shopping center.

I don't remember how much we raked in (seems so long ago), but it was great fun.

[retrowire]

18. gee thanks!

[SMC22307]

31. Trust me, the noise from Camp Weathervane has zero impact on my vote...

and I laugh and I laugh when I hear they've switched from B to H because of anonymous posters on DU and social media. Seriously, LAUGH.

Wait, I take that back... the name-calling and idiotic accusations do make me work harder to get Bernie Sanders elected. So for that, Hillionaires and select #BLMers, I thank you!

[Scootaloo]

33. The best ones are the ones who had been promoting Clinton before bernie entered the race

And then suddenly "Bawww, bernie supporters MADE me support clinton, wubwubwub!"

[SMC22307]

36. And the very best one is a Hillary group host...

and prolific poster at their adorable new website, who absolutely TRASHED Hillary in 2008. It's a puzzler!

[Scootaloo]

39. My current favorite...

Is the one sporting a sig image of Obama "brushing off" some ugly slander Clinton dealt at him in 2008.

[SMC22307]

41. I'll have to pay more attention to sig lines...

haven't noticed that one yet.

[artislife]

53. I kind of think she copied it from a post of mine

Which is okay, since my Community gif was copied from a H supporter here way back.

But I used it when I was being swarmed by H bees early on. I still got a hide from a response. Oh well.

But I used it to irk them, well because why President Obama was doing it. But that seems to lost on them.


I also am sad that they don't get the Mean Girls movie photos I use, but that could be generational.

[AlbertCat]

42. I love the "We Dems should't be fighting each other...

..... we should rally around the one...Hillary.... to fight the GOP!"


Uh... hello.... that's the GENERAL election, not the primaries where we do "fight" each other for the nomination!

Just wait till the debates..... as few and terribly timed as they are....

[SMC22307]

83. Well, it's a given that many posts prefaced with...

"we Dems" or "we liberals" or 'we progressives" are gonna be flat-out bullshit. Depends on the poster, of course, and their avatar (Che! Birkenstocks!).

Yeah, I'm not ready to make nice during the primaries; the GE is another story. Social Security and Medicare are my pony issues, and if they think I'm going to go quietly, they're sorely mistaken. I don't trust "The One" on those issues -- at all. Sanders yes, and what I'm learning of O'Malley, yes.

[Duval]

37. We'll be doing our best! nt

and then some!!

[mak3cats]

44. Most of us are pro-Bernie, not anti-HRC as we are being defined...

...he simply has the better ideas. And that's the end of the story.

[Blue_In_AK]

73. Yes.

I've tried to make it a point not to discuss Mrs. Clinton or her supporters at all. There is really no reason to go negative on our fellow DUers.

[passiveporcupine]

105. he simply has the better ideas

And a much better record.

[turbinetree]

50. Dominoes.....................

and we need to get like minded progressive democrats elected in both state and federal houses, to help Bernie

Whatchamacallit------------------Thankyou



Honk---------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

125. Like I have said before.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

[liberal_at_heart]

56. Bernie Sanders for President 2016!

We finally have a candidate we can be excited about. Believe me. There is no way in hell they can dampen our spirits.

[azmom]

60. Damn skippy. No way in hell. N/t

[azmom]

58. Brothers and sisters, whatchamacallit is

Correct. Bernie's vision for America is one that calls for justice and equality for all. It is a just and moral cause.

The fact that we are all working so hard to make this a reality is an inspiration in itself. I love all of you and I am honored to be part of this group.

If we stand together there is nothing we can't do. Spread the good message far and wide.

[beam me up scottie]

63. Bernie Sanders: When we stand together...

[azmom]

64. I love that one. Let's keep working

And spreading his message. There are still people out there that have not heard about him.

[beam me up scottie]

67. Hear hear!

We've done so well already on social media and by good old fashioned wom!

[azmom]

69. And don't forget the donations last quarter.

We hit it out of the park. The campaign is doing great.

[beam me up scottie]

70. We sure did!

No $2700/plate dinners for Bernie, it's been grassroots all the way!

The people are speaking, America needs to listen.

[BainsBane]

191. $33,400 plate dinners

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/sanders-democratic-fundraisers/index.html

[beam me up scottie]

192. During his current run for the nomination? Nice try but your associate tried that already.

Read it again:

And don't forget the donations last quarter.
We hit it out of the park. The campaign is doing great.

Awwww, too bad, you dug this up for nothing.

[BainsBane]

193. Oh, so it doesn't matter

because it was last year or the year before. Gotcha.

Yeah, that pretty much does away with any pretext that this is anything more than an argument to attack Clinton. You don't even care that he's been telling the public for ages he doesn't raise money from Wall Street, when in fact he does.

[beam me up scottie]

194. No it doesn't matter because that's not what we were talking about.

I realize how disappointed you must be, digging in the dirt for something to smear Bernie with and only looking dirty yourself in the end but you'll get over it.

Your candidate made MILLIONS peddling her influence on Wall Street, don't even pretend that raising money to campaign with is the same thing.

When Bernie sells himself to corporations like that come back and see me.

[whatchamacallit]

76. +lots n/t

[beam me up scottie]

78. Attack the Republicans, not Bernie!

GREAT thread, whatchamacallit, we love you back!

[whatchamacallit]

75. Yes!

[randr]

65. An elder conservative friend of mine just said he is for Bernie

Said he is the first candidate in his life that is telling the truth.
My friend is in his 80,s and was a very successful wall street worker.
He thinks many of the smarter Republicans will come to the same conclusion.

[Blue_In_AK]

71. Very nice.

[Zorra]

72. love you back, whatchamacallit.

[whatchamacallit]

74. :)

[ChiciB1]

80. Like The Way You Put It!

I'm in, let's goooooooooo!

[Uncle Joe]

81. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, whatchamacallit.

[Juicy_Bellows]

84. Your post makes me hungry!

Hungry for a Sanders win and for a tasty

Cheers!

[sabrina 1]

109. I love Bernie's supporters they are enthusiastic, positive, kind, STRONG who won't put up

with any garbage, thoughtful, informed, young, old, Black, White, Latino, Dem, Repub, Independent, Libertarian, formerly NON Voters, poor, disabled, women, men, iow, they are the PEOPLE!



Oh and the 'Bernie supporters are horrible' routine is clearly a Dark Money Funded Think Tank Talking Point. Laugh at it as that is what it deserves.

[silenttigersong]

110. Bernie

Is the REAL DEAL_LION of the people

[Puzzledtraveller]

111. For all of us!!

That's why I pick Bernie.

[MasonDreams]

120. Thank You! Just the thingamajig I needed to hear today. Tune out the noise!

[Enthusiast]

136. K&R! This thread has hundreds of recommendations!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

141. ANOTHER Hillary bashing thread????

Oh wait,...it's not.

[sabrina 1]

142. Sanders supporters don't waste much time on the negative Citizens United funded

operatives who are struggling so hard to earn that Corporate money and in a way you have to feel sorry for them.

Look at Brock eg, he has become a laughing stock since his interview with those two reporters and his sneaky, though not very clever to hide his identity as he lied about Sanders.

Instead he helped raise over on million dollars for BERNIE! Lol!

Talk about blowback! But then we're talking about 'Blinded by the Money' Brock, the man who tried to bring down a Dem President then switched sides when ever rightwingers couldn't take him.

Meantime, Sanders continues to soar, his attackers, the usual suspects, struggling to earn all that corporate money that so pollutes our electoral system, and having a really hard time doing so.

Maybe Bernie's opponents should just try being open and honest and talk about the issues themselves, for a change.

Because the old ways sure aren't working this time.

[secondwind]

144. GO BERNIE!!!!!!!!!! WOOT! WOOT!

[madokie]

145. Bernie Sanders will be who walks into the oval office

in January of '17. Let the best Person win and he has that tittle by a wide margin. People will come out in droves to vote for him, both us oldies and our children and grand children.
We hear what all the candidates are saying and not a one of them are resonating with the people of this country like Bernie Sanders does.
We will have a new awaking.

[AtomicKitten]

158. Nice post. Cheers back atcha.

[Aerows]

162. We've got to rise above

the pejoratives and out-right slander hurled our way, and we are doing a great job of it. Every single time we let false accusations roll off of us like water off a duck's back and stick to the issues, we get a little bit stronger.

Steel isn't ordinary; it's Berned

[sabrina 1]

168. Love you too, whachamacallit!

[whatchamacallit]

169. :)

[WillyT]

174. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[aidbo]

178. .