A very warm but mostly white crowd welcomes Hillary in mostly non-white New York City..

[Uncle Joe]

perhaps this means that people of all races need to be exposed to a candidate's message before coming to rallies and that happens at different stages along our space time continuum?

On the other hand Hillary was also their Senator for eight years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_New_York_City

Immigrant Africans, Caribbeans, and African Americans make up 25.1% of New York City's population. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, there were 2,086,566 black people residing in New York City. Percentage wise, approximately two out of every five black residents of New York City resides in Brooklyn (primarily in the Central, Northern, and Eastern sections of the borough), one out of every five resides in Bronx (mainly in the borough's Northeastern, Southeastern and Southern sections) one out of every five resides in Queens (mainly in the borough's Southeastern area), with the remaining black residents residing in Manhattan (primarily in Harlem) and Staten Island (mainly the North Shore of the borough).

(snip)

Asian Americans make up 11.8% of New York City's population. According to the survey, there were 976,807 Asian Americans residing in New York City. Of 976,807 Asian Americans, 445,145 were of Chinese descent, representing 5.4% of the city's population. In addition, there were 226,888 Indian Americans residing in the city, representing 2.7% of the population. Approximately 103,660 people identified themselves as "Other Asian", a category that includes people of Cambodian, Laotian, Hmong, and Pakistani descent. Individuals in this category represent 1.2% of the city's population. There were 88,162 Korean Americans residing in the city, representing 1.1% of the population. Other Asian American groups include those of Filipino (68,826, 0.8%), Japanese (26,096, 0.3%), and Vietnamese (18,030, 0.2%) descent.

(snip)

Hispanics and Latinos make up 27.5% of New York City's population. According to the American Community Survey, there were 2,287,905 Hispanic or Latino Americans residing in New York City. The Hispanic/Latino population is categorized with four groups, "Puerto Rican" (785,618 or 9.4%), "Mexican" (297,581 or 3.6%), "Cuban" (42,377 or 0.5%), and "Other Hispanic or Latino" (1,165,576 or 14.0%).[52]

[MADem]

1. Didn't look "mostly white" to me--I wasn't playing Where's Waldo to find the

black faces.

And perhaps you are unclear what "Hispanic" means?

The POPE is Hispanic.

Cameron DIAZ is Hispanic.

Raquel WELCH is Hispanic.

Martin SHEEN is Hispanic.

Rita HAYWORTH is Hispanic.

Big PAPI (Hit #500) is Hispanic.

Alberto FUJIMORI is Hispanic.

"Hispanics" like "Americans" (and many of them are Americans, north, south and central) come in all colors of the rainbow.

"Hispanic" is a cultural ethnicity--not a color.

[Uncle Joe]

3. You don't have to play "Where's Waldo" in the pic or video to find

"black faces."

African Americans alone make up over 25% of the population, of course this doesn't include other minorities and clearly there isn't a 25% or close to 25% representation of "black faces," not to mention other minorities.

[MADem]

7. You're showing plenty of black faces in the one camera view

offered--or are you looking for specific shades, is that it?

And you're not using footage that is panning the crowd, either.

But hey, play that game, if you feel you must. Instead of poking and prodding and trying to spin anecdotes from singular camera views, you should be thrilled -- if you actually believe that HRC is lagging in black support.

I find your attempt to school me a bit amusing, to be blunt.

[Uncle Joe]

11. I do wish it panned the crowd better but it does show a nice shot at about the 21 second mark

The crowd was overwhelmingly white and yet CBS News made no mention of race disparity in their coverage, the same didn't hold true for Bernie's rally in Atlanta or for that matter any other place.

Racial disparity has been a continuous meme pushed by the corporate media, because they want that frame to jell and pigeonhole Bernie Sanders.

http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local/downtown/2015/09/12/bernie-sanders-atlanta-candidate-democrat-president/72120894/

[Admiral Loinpresser]

77. +1,000 n/t

[Bonobo]

88. This OP was made on the same day all those talking about "White Sanders rallies" were away from DU?

Weird. What a strange coincidence.

All those posters that started OPs about how Sanders rallies only had white people just HAPPEN to be away today... that's so weird!

Maybe we should keep this kicked until they get back?

I'm sure they would have an explanation for why there only about 1-2% black people in EVERY SINGLE PHOTO in NYC rally?

It couldn't be true because Hillary is so popular with POC!

[murielm99]

6. I think some of them are trying to find a way to detract

because it was a large crowd. Only Bernie is supposed to have large crowds. I guess it is supposed to prove something.

[MADem]

9. Not sure what they want it to say--it doesn't work, though.

The fact that they can't say a nice thing about their own candidate, and must constantly reference Clinton, will be their undoing over the long haul, I suspect.

[artislife]

15. It was...hypocracy.

[MADem]

50. "The more you know" the more you'd do well to use spell check. nt

[artislife]

52. Unfortunately, spell check doesn't work in the title

I am a bad speller.

I shall write it ten times and hopefully my small brain will hold it
hypocrisy,hypocrisy,hypocrisy,hypocrisy,hypocrisy,hypocrisy,hypocrisy,hypocrisy,hypocrisy,hypocrisy.


There.

Does this change the post in meaning, I think not.

Great hearing from you again!!

[Marty McGraw]

79. Sometime disheveledness

even of one's attempt with spelling, is tell-tale of a true genius. I think AiL is an clear example of that 'sometime'

[artislife]

81. You prove that it is easy to be nice

[Marty McGraw]

85. I have to somehow

Make up for my dreadful impression I give off in real life

[Uncle Joe]

16. It was estimated at 5,500 people in the most populous city in the nation and Bernie has far exceeded

that number in smaller cities, not to mention Hillary was a Senator of New York for eight years.

[murielm99]

19. Roosevelt Island is not a large place.

There is only so much room there.

And I imagine most of the crowd was made up of people who live there, who are 45% white.

Nice try.

[Uncle Joe]

29. 1. Why couldn't they move it to a larger venue?

2. The crowd is much more than 45% white.

[murielm99]

33. This event was planned for awhile.

They held it where they wanted it. I guess they should have consulted you beforehand.

I did not do any "Where's Waldo" counting, either.

Thanks, Hillary! That was a good event, a great place to share your message, and the crowd was wonderful!

[Uncle Joe]

38. They were wonderful, warm and white but don't expect the corporate media to point out

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that last piece of information, it doesn't fit with their self-serving establishment meme or framing program.

[rhett o rick]

119. I don't expect much from the Oligarchy controlled media. Their candidate is Clinton and/or Jeb.

Just ask Goldman-Sachs.

[Fawke Em]

66. Hell, he's got more than that in Greensboro, NC right now.

[appalachiablue]

110. +10. And there's no reasoning with some tis true-

[artislife]

8. And Me!!

But I didn't count in Seattle.

I guess it is better late than never, even if I have the feeling we will be put back into the closet very shortly until we are needed again to make a point.




^ represents Halloween decorations that are loved, but only once a year....

[MADem]

10. How nice. nt

[bvf]

13. "I wasn't playing Where's Waldo to find the black faces."

Congratulations on advancing to the next round:

"Where's the obscenely wealthy/polically well-connected Hispanic?"

You must be kidding. "Vapid" doesn't begin to describe your post.

[MADem]

14. Thanks for proving my point!

Don't talk about how good your candidate is, toss insults, instead!!

Congratulations on advancing to the next round:

"Where's the obscenely wealthy/polically well-connected Hispanic?"

You must be kidding. "Vapid" doesn't begin to describe your post.

What is "vapid" is the way you """support""" your candidate by insulting people. That post of yours is a pitch-perfect example.

[Ed Suspicious]

17. This is way too funny for me to handle. Shovels shit day and night, takes a shovel load back her

way and is suddenly above all that.

[beam me up scottie]

18. +1

This is all kinds of awesome on so many levels.

[MADem]

36. Do go on, these examples are just the thing....

We learn so much about the candidate you support from posts like this, where you call other DUers shit-shovellers:

Ed Suspicious
17. This is way too funny for me to handle. Shovels shit day and night, takes a shovel load back her
way and is suddenly above all that.

Real charming.

[Ed Suspicious]

41. It's a good thing I'm not here to charm you.

You learn nothing about the candidate I support from my silly rantings. Come on now. Tell me about some of the good deeds Hillary has done. I'm willing to stop the slinging if your people are. Detente?

[MADem]

45. Well, between the insults and the "silly rantings" you are quite right.

You learn nothing about the candidate I support from my silly rantings. Come on now. Tell me about some of the good deeds Hillary has done. I'm willing to stop the slinging if your people are. Detente?

I am not in the habit of bargaining with bullies and insult-slingers.

You are what you are, and that's your issue.

[Ed Suspicious]

53. As are you. Definitely your issue. Well said.

[MADem]

55. I support my candidate, and I don't have a problem with people who support theirs.

I don't call people "silly" or "vapid" or "shit shoveling."

I discuss issues with adults who want to converse, and I eschew such conversations with name-callers.

[bvf]

95. Yeah, right.

[MADem]

98. ....

bvf
95. Yeah, right.

[bvf]

70. You didn't have a point.

You just wanted to play "Let's see how many Hispanic people we can name," and thought you would look somehow less than incredibly stupid by pointing out a few of them.

Yeah, good call.

[MADem]

86. You're proving my point as well.

First, by not understanding what an Hispanic is, and

Second, by name calling.

You think calling me "incredibly stupid" hurts anyone but you?

70. You didn't have a point.
View profile
You just wanted to play "Let's see how many Hispanic people we can name," and thought you would look somehow less than incredibly stupid by pointing out a few of them.

Yeah, good call.

[appalachiablue]

108. Enumerating Hispanic notables and color here. That's so special. Why there's even Hispanic Asians

I hear.

[MADem]

116. I mentioned one--Alberto Fujimori.

The point is that Hispanic is NOT a color.

It's a culture and an ethnicity.

[appalachiablue]

117. Are you Hispanic?

[MADem]

118. Sorry, I don't talk about my details on the internet.

I saw what happened to Bravenak.

Spanish is one of my languages, though, if that helps you at all.

[Cheese Sandwich]

2. Looking for a crowd shot of one of those $250,000 Wall Street speeches

Guessing was fairly white

[Uncle Joe]

5. I wouldn't bet against it,

Cheese Sandwich.

[Yurovsky]

12. Oh there were people of color present...

serving hors d'ouvres, cocktails, bussing tables, washing dishing, parking $100,000 cars.

That's how the elites of the establishment like it. Heaven forbid they have to rub elbows with the "little people"...

[appalachiablue]

111. +1. True that!

[Doctor_J]

4. Touche'

[AtomicKitten]

87. Olé.

[Renew Deal]

20. This is the second race baiting post I've seen on DU today.

[Ed Suspicious]

22. Team Hillary Supporter set the bar on this one. It seems people are simply

trying to hold her to the same standard.

[beam me up scottie]

23. Yep.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=587673

[Renew Deal]

44. So these people are hypocrites

[TheFarS1de]

59. No ...

they are playing the game according to how the other group depicts their candidate . I would say look at the forums but you already know what this is about . Feign some more indignation .

[Renew Deal]

64. So how are they not hypocrites?

[SwampG8r]

96. I.was advised early in a long life

That in any conflict the side with the least ethics sets the rules.
All you can do to survive is to use the rules the ethical minimalists give you.
This is why the racial dogwhistling and baiting used by camp weathervane blows up in their faces.thanks
I can think of few people more compromised ethically on race issues than the Clinton's.
This is just 2007 deja vu, more of the same from the candidate of.more of the same

[Agschmid]

60. Yup.

[Bonobo]

89. OMG, I'm busting a gut at the hypocrisy!! nt

[jalan48]

21. At least BLM was there, right?

[MrWendel]

24. Black voters aren’t feeling the Bern: Sanders’ problem is bigger than #BlackLivesMatter

Black voters aren’t feeling the Bern: Sanders’ problem is bigger than #BlackLivesMatter

http://www.salon.com/2015/09/13/black_voters_arent_feeling_the_bern_sanders_problem_is_bigger_than_blacklivesmatter_partner/

Senator Bernie Sanders continues to pack arenas and often draws standing-room-only crowds as he vies for the Democratic nomination. Though Sanders trails former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in most national polls, he is closing the gap. One poll shows Sanders leading Clinton in Iowa.

Part of the magnetism drawing supporters to the senator is his populist message that includes eliminating economic inequality, challenging oligarchs on Wall Street and advocating for blue-collar workers. Without question, the insurgent nature of his candidacy is igniting excitement in the Democratic base and among many progressive voters who believe a true liberal can win the nomination, and quite possibly, the White House.

There remains one inconvenient dilemma for the Sanders camp: Most black voters have yet to “feel the Bern.”

According to the latest findings from Public Policy Polling, 65 percent of black voters support Clinton while only 14 percent back Sanders. For a man who is heralded as a civil rights veteran by his legion of supporters, that number is not impressive.........

[frylock]

25. Cool story.

[hedda_foil]

27. There is a 4 paragraph rule for posting from other sources. Please correct.

[rhett o rick]

56. Another low post Clinton supporter. Wow! Where are they all coming from? Welcome to DU. nm

[Autumn]

106. Probably the ice cream parlor would be my guess.

[lunamagica]

30. Thank you for posting that. Love the reminder that Hillary has made immigration

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reform a priority from day one.

[OnyxCollie]

31. Nonsense.

I see three black people in the crowd.

[MyNameGoesHere]

32. Well let's face it

our all white group of candidates isn't exactly what the Democratic party is about anyway now is it? So using the superior intellect of the OP, and based on the candidates we have, Democrats are racist compared to the Republicans. If you're looking for a party that has diversity candidates you should vote republican.

[Uncle Joe]

35. That's not the point of my OP by any stretch, the point was to illustrate corporate media

hypocrisy and that the American People shouldn't fall prey to their self-serving propaganda framing of a candidate which most aggressively opposes the dysfuntional institutions and recently passed laws ie:Citizens United that butter said corporate media's bread.

[MyNameGoesHere]

63. I don't get that from your post

Let me read it again.. Nope it looks like you saying Clinton bans people of color from her events. And well played too. Downstream a poster even said they were there, but as servants. A dog whistle is a dog whistle no matter who is blowing it.

[Uncle Joe]

68. First off I never said nor implied that Hillary banned anybody, I don't know where you came up with

that, logically speaking it makes no sense for any candidate to ban a critical constituency from their rallies.

I just made an observation of who was there from a demographic point of view along with a major news link (CBS) reporting on it.

If you had read more of this thread, or for that matter just having paid attention to political reporting over the last two months, you would see how the coverage by the corporate media has been using a double standard in regards to reporting on Bernie's rallies from a demographic point of view, they can't bring themselves to say anything about them without bringing race into the equation because that's furthers their self-serving agenda.

[Android3.14]

34. That left a mark

[Spitfire of ATJ]

40. Maybe this will help....

[riversedge]

37. Oh grow up. I think your post makes you look silly

[Uncle Joe]

39. A personal attack is the best rebuttal that you can do?

[riversedge]

42. It is all that the posts foolishness deserves.

[liberal_at_heart]

43. The posts stating that no minorities show up in Bernie's crowds is silly too.

People are trying to pull the focus away from this issues by stating silly things. First it was Bernie's hair, now it's who is in the crowds. I prefer to focus on the voting records of the candidates, and Bernie has a better voting record especially on economic issues.

[riversedge]

46. Yes, I wish the focus was on what the candidates are doing and saying and

where they are --city state and who they are meeting.

[Uncle Joe]

47. It wouldn't be so bad if it was just D.U. but that has been a constant corporate media drumbeat

at least since July against Bernie's rallies.

It's nothing but cynical framing and they're trying to jell or pigeon hole Bernie, lock him in place in the peoples' minds and the only way that I could see to fight back against that nonsense was to illustrate the corporate media's double standard and self-serving hypocrisy.

[Ed Suspicious]

58. +1

[liberal_at_heart]

62. the good news is traditional media is waning and so is their influence.

[Uncle Joe]

65. I agree liberal_at_heart but we shouldn't underestimate the power of their self-serving motivation

and influence on the American People at large.

Peace to you.

[Puglover]

51. And yet you recommended the other thread.

God, do you folks know the meaning of "irony"?

[ljm2002]

114. Oddly enough...

...your only post in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251587673

was to defend Hillary Clinton's hawkish foreign policy positions. Not a peep telling that OP to "grow up" or that her post made her "look silly".

Well I would not expect you criticize the other OP, being a Clinton supporter yourself. But to then claim that this OP is somehow out of bounds, well all I can say is:

"Oh grow up. I think your post makes you look silly. Not to mention hypocritical."

[wolfie001]

48. Hillary Clinton will represent ALL Americans.......

.....a whole lot better than that whole gaggle of republiturds. This post is borderline Washington Times-like agitprop. And it stinks....

[Uncle Joe]

57. So wil Bernie, tell that to the corporate media. n/t

[Travis_0004]

74. I agree

Her experience with Walmart's board of directors will help her to represent the 1% as good as anybody.

[Aerows]

102. Ouch!

What a Bern!

[wolfie001]

104. When she wins the nomination I hope you "Democrats" will still support her

Now who's "feeling the burn" or better: don't have a sad.....

[Aerows]

105. You have a sig that endorses unions

You cast doubt on folks that are Democrats that are highly supportive of unions.

And you wonder if *Bernie* supporters are Democrats that will support the party nominee no matter who it may be!?

Well, alrighty then.

[wolfie001]

107. And? I wonder how many DUers shop at Wakmart?

It is what it is. I don't shop Wakmart but when the Prez is selecting Supreme Court nominees, if it's not Sanders, then it better be a Dem. That's what I care about!

[Aerows]

109. Then why the hostility toward Sanders supporters?

Hell, we haven't even had a debate yet, and some are acting like Hillary as the nominee is fait accompli.

It's not, and I doubt any serious Sanders supporter would stay the hell home and risk having a Republican in the White House despite not supporting her in the primary.

All of this same crap was served up about Obama "Yeah, will all of you Obama supporters support Hillary when she gets the nomination?"

Hillary has to GET the nomination first before we start hashing who is a loyal party member and who isn't. So far, she is doing the same things she did in 2007-8 ... and is getting the same results. The more she speaks, the lower she goes in the polls.

[wolfie001]

113. I think a little thicker skin and a sense of humor can be cathartic

Am I right? If Sanders defeats Clinton in the primaries, I'd be more than happy to support him. Both are way better than the freakshow on the other side.

[Aerows]

115. Nobody with any sense

wants anyone on the GOP side of the fence. I'd vote for a turnip before I'd vote for any in that clown car - the turnip would be more sane, intelligent and moral.

[mike dub]

49. I see what you did there, Uncle Joe!

N/t

[underthematrix]

54. Kudos to Hillary! So happy to see her supporters out there in droves!

[Uncle Joe]

61. That was a good turnout if you could just multiply it by 5 you begin to approach Bernie's

record.

[underthematrix]

67. LOL! uh huh

[Uncle Joe]

71. According to the CBS estimate there were 5,500 people at Hillary's rally in NYC

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Bernie drew 28,000 in Portland according to the Washington Post.

[underthematrix]

75. HRC had a good size NYC crowd

And apparently Bernie had a huge crowd in Portland. Very very different areas. Both are impressive.

[Hollingsworth]

72. Math can be really hard.

[slipslidingaway]

69. What was the minimum donation to attend this event? The other thread where people were supposed ...

to count people by the color of their skin was a fundraiser and had a minimum $50. donation.

[fadedrose]

73. Is anyone ever paid to ATTEND one of these things?

not just of Hillary's events, I mean all or any candidates' events

[underthematrix]

76. i would imagine pretty much everyone is paid to attend trump events

[slipslidingaway]

78. Nobody was paid to attend, some events are free and some are fundraisers ...

the Sander's event in Atlanta was a fundraiser which had a minimum $50. donation. That is fairly low compared to other candidates who have a minimum over a thousand.

My question is how much did it cost to attend the Clinton campaign rally in the OP? Unfortunately sometimes, and all too often, people are prohibited from attending an event because they cannot pay the entrance fee.

Other people want to point to the crowd and count people based on the color of their skin.



As Sander's says, we cannot win if we are divided!

[Bonobo]

80. Hilarious. All of a sudden, it's called "playing 'Where's Waldo'" or race-baiting when the shoe is..

on the other foot.

Good god, it was so predictable that this was going to happen!

Did Hillary supporters really think it would be any different??

[Bonobo]

82. The shoe and the other foot. Pictures DO speak 1,000 words!

[SouthernProgressive]

83. Great looking crowd.

She is respected and admired by so many.

[appalachiablue]

112. +1. Bernie lives in Whitetown, VT in a white house with a Volvo. That's the law in VT, NH, OR too.

[valerief]

90. Bwahahahaha! I saw what you did! nt

[Bonobo]

91. All this anger at this OP... short memories indeed.

A very warm but mostly white crowd welcomes Sanders in mostly non-white Atlanta.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251587673

Online And In Person, Bernie Sanders’ White Supporters Advance A Black Lives Matter Conspiracy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251535654

The Ironic Hijacking of the Bernie Sanders’ Campaign by Elitist White Progressives
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251539502

Bernie Sanders and the Black Vote
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251588739

Sanders gets raucous, but mostly white welcome in South Carolina as he works for black support
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141185124

Can Bernie Sanders Be Less White?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251469025

Sanders supporters are wealthier, whiter, and more male than Hillary supporters.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251542288

Bernie Sanders Not Doing Well With Minorities
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017271081

"Interrupting Bernie: Exposing the White Supremacy of the American Left"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=508942

[TheFarS1de]

92. Yep

the hypocrisy is breathtaking .

[Uncle Joe]

93. Thanks Bonobo, that's a nice compilation but you know who the true villains are behind this and it's

a testament to their still existing and extensive propaganda power, that would be the corporate media.

They're afraid of Bernie and the movement taking the butter ie: Citizens United away from their toast.

[ibegurpard]

97. I've just started ignoring those threads

Bernie either will or will not start to resonate with minority communities and POC. Arguing about it on here will not change that.

[Uncle Joe]

99. It isn't the threads that prompted me to post this so much as it being a rebuttal to

the corporate media's continuous two month old now one sided framing meme.

My OP was an attempt at raising more awareness to the corporate media's racial propaganda campaign as being what it is, mass brainwashing.

They don't cover the actual critical issues affecting the American People in depth, it's all about scandal, the horse race and in Bernie's case about trying to jell a meme or pigeon hole him long before the first debate even starts.

The corporate media is trying to create a subliminal self-fulfilling prophecy, they can't bring themselves to report on Bernie's rallies, surge or even interview him without qualifying it by race, no other candidate Democrat or Republican receives this treatment.

In this regard the corporate media is actively working to divide or create a racial schism in the Democratic electorate, while taking a page from Karl Rove's theory of attacking your opponent's strength and they're racing against the clock before Bernie's name recognition grows too large and before the debates begin.

I believe that unfiltered Bernie's messages on the issues can and will resonate with the minority communities so long as extensive corporate media racial propaganda hasn't progressed at too far a state jelling the corporate media's self-serving version of reality.

So for that reason, I'm trying to call it in its tracks for what it is.

[KoKo]

100. Recommend Read...

[Zorra]

103. Recommend. nt

[Purveyor]

101. Thanks for posting Uncle Joe. eom