Like so many Americans, Hillary is having to make do with less

[MannyGoldstein]

Hillary's too modest to make a big deal about these kinds of things, but did you know that the bungalow that she and Bill are renting for this summer's vacation will cost HALF of what they spent last summer?

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/real-estate/clintons-drop-100k-three-week-hamptons-rental-article-1.1895360

And there's no email server on the premises. The Secret Service did a sweep to make sure.

All of this is Hillary's way of making it crystal clear that she feels the same pressures as you Proles, and she's leading through ACTION, not TALK. She's one of you. And so am I. I even capitalized Proles as a sign of respect.

Of course, because of you people and your fickle "voting preferences", Hillary can't enjoy her well-deserved rest - she back on the campaign trail early, saving America from creeping Socialism:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/22/us/hillary-clinton-will-interrupt-vacation-to-campaign-in-midwest.html

So can you people get it through your heads already that we totally care about income inequality, and all the rest of that crap you Lefties are fixated on? Like you, we also want to fix the Democratic Party. We too want to know how our party became Wall Street's plaything, and once Hillary's in office she's committed to launching an investigation to get answers.

So enough of your obsession with a man whose hair care costs less than $10 a week, and who probably doesn't even rent a summer cottage. Just say "no" to Socialistsplainin', and "yes" to the woman whose life is exactly like yours.

Regards

Third-Way Manny

[Fred Sanders]

1. Nonsense. Earned every penny in 40 years of public service.....jealously is unbecoming even of socialists.

What does Republican Trump spend his money on?

Polluting aging private jets is one of them.

[riversedge]

5. Maybe it just ate too many sour grapes today.

[Fred Sanders]

7. There are far more Democratic Party supporters than supporters who clearly detest the Party..as it should be.

Party over personality.

[pocoloco]

32. Party over principles

is what has everyone pissed off!!

[A Simple Game]

70. Sometimes they actually say what they mean. n/t

[Armstead]

90. but not party over principles

Unless one's principles include the Golden Revolving Door

[enlightenment]

13. "It"?

Who are you? Buffalo Bill?

[MannyGoldstein]

14. I've got lotion in the bathroom.

I mean, if it will help.

[Fred Sanders]

19. Better break out more lotion to lubricate this chaffing OP.

[hrmjustin]

26. .

[BeanMusical]

73. That's what you consider "good comedy"?

It's 7th grade level humor at best.

[Bobbie Jo]

98. Says someone

who goes by the name "BeanMusical?"

Talk about 7th grade humor.

Holy crap, now THAT's funny.

[BeanMusical]

110. So glad that you're able to appreciate 7th grade humor.

Reading your posts I assumed that you could only get kindergarten level jokes.

[Bobbie Jo]

113. Oh snap!

yet another clever retort there, bean.

[BeanMusical]

114. Thanks Jo.

Right back at you.

[enlightenment]

25. *snork*

[Duckhunter935]

28. yes, that is how they became multi-millionaires

must be nice to do that earning a few hundred thousand dollars for a few years. I do not think they made very much in Arkansas, only after they made it to the big time in DC with the bankers. Curious if Bernie is spending millions on multiple houses and tens of thousands on a summer vacation. He has been a public servant at least the same amount of time.

[sabrina 1]

56. Well, he spent some of it donating to Hillary's campaigns, according to him. And he told us why he

and his billionaire friends donate to politicians.

It appears that billionaires like the Reality TV Star spend some of their money on politicians' campaigns because they actually get something in return.

That should be no surprise, Billionaires don't throw their money away without expecting some kind of return on their investment.

Which is also what Joe Biden said recently. That we MUST make the 'corrosive, corrupting effect of money on our electoral system the #1 issue of this campaign' because, Biden said, agreeing with Bernie actually, 'if we do not end this practice, NOTHING ELSE can get done'.

He even told us not to even trust him, no matter how much we may like him, because he said, 'trust me, even the best intentioned person can be corrupted by that money'.

So there you go, I'm sure Donald's donations are pretty much pocket change to HIM, though most likely a full year's salary to the rest of us.

Still, you asked, I answered.

[hrmjustin]

2. You excel at these look at me posts.

Keep up the good work.

[Fred Sanders]

3. But there is little evidence of any personal attacks on Clinton at DU...present OP notwithstanding!

The "haircut cost" meme is infantile.

Unbelievable congintive dissonance.

[hrmjustin]

4. No such thing as Hillary hate on DU.

Who could possibly think of such a thing!

[Fred Sanders]

12. Some folks do genuinely think it "sucks to be me".

[hrmjustin]

15. Some people think I am work for the third way boogeyman.

[cyberswede]

16. Making fun of her $ isn't "hate."

I don't really think it's relevant criticism, but it certainly has nothing to do with hating her.

[hrmjustin]

17. You can honestly tell me there is.not hatred of Hillary on this site?

[cyberswede]

22. I think a tiny minority of DUers might hate her, but most people don't.

Disagreement isn't hate.
Criticism isn't hate.
Poking fun of her wealth isn't hate, either.

[hrmjustin]

24. I don't think it is so tiny.

[BeanMusical]

75. "I don't think it is so tiny."

Hum, I'm sure that there's a joke to be made with that sentence but I'm too sleepy to come up with something.

[sheshe2]

45. I disagree....

I think a tiny minority of DUers might hate her, but most people don't.

It is not tiny.

Disagreement isn't hate.
Criticism isn't hate. Poking fun of her wealth isn't hate, either.

Well, Obama and Clinton sure get their share. Feet to the fire. Yet, disagree with Bernie. All hell breaks out. You do not question Bernie EVER!

Bernie Sanders Voting Record: Gun Control

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/18/1413148/-Bernie-Sanders-Voting-Record-Gun-Control?detail=hide#

I am shocked supporters are okay with this. If it was Obama or Hillary, they would be pillared.

Ya know, I like you cyberswede. Yet there is a huge problem with the picture I am seeing. Only some people are held accountable and another gets a free pass every dayum time on every issue.

[Mojorabbit]

52. I think both would be good presidents. I am fine with his stance on guns. nt

[Android3.14]

65. pilloried

And any time an HRC supporter wants to discuss issues, let's go for it.

What Hillary folks see as hate for their candidate is actually people just pointing out the obvious, and it infuriates their sensibilities.

One day, they might take responsibility for their emotions.

[BeanMusical]

82. "It is not tiny."

Prove it.

[beam me up scottie]

87. Every time Hillary gets criticized one of you guys brings up Bernie nuts gunz!!1!

It's pathetic how predictable you all are.

Why are you so afraid of addressing the topic being discussed?

[Fred Sanders]

18. Just jealously, then? Could be....hate and jealously are cousins.

[cyberswede]

23. I don't think it's jealousy, either.

Maybe it's skepticism that she can relate to the problems of regular folks.

[BeanMusical]

66. You must be horrified when there's a parody of her on SNL.

Or a talk show host makes a joke about her. Bunch of haters, all of them.

[hrmjustin]

68. No I love good comedy. You missed the point entirely

[BeanMusical]

72. SNL is good comedy?

And I'm afraid that what I said went so high over your head that it passed a 747.

[Beacool]

79. Exactly. Who could possibly think that?

People must be nuts to think that DU doesn't likes Hillary.

I'm more astonished if I see a positive Clinton post on the occasional times that I take I gander at this site. Apparently, Sanders is going to be the savior of the nation. That is, if he can get the nomination and win the general election. If not him, then Biden will rush to the country's rescue.

[HappyPlace]

6. "Jay "no" to Socialistsplainin', and "yes" to the woman whose life is exactly like yours!"

[AuntPatsy]

8. This is getting silly, your not saying anything new, just picking, give the new more informed voters

Some credit for being able to eventually put the blocks in order.

There are so many issues that need to be discussed this constant grade school rovian type political game mud slinging is beneath you,

That is a compliment you know

[oasis]

9. Yup, Abe would have moved back to his log cabin, had he retired.

[daleanime]

10. Well, you made me laugh.....

but what do I know, I wish someone would Socialstsplainin' it to me.

[beam me up scottie]

11. !

[sadoldgirl]

20. Yes, socialism is a devastating system,

and as you say, it is creeping. Or did you mean creepy?

My, oh my, we should feel so sorry for all these northern
European countries. Perhaps we should "rescue" them
from their serious error?

[Enthusiast]

37. Yes, perhaps we should invade the Scandinavian nations.

I understand they have some oil. [URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

[99th_Monkey]

21. Does this mean Hillary will be jumping onto the Socialist Rent-Control bandwagon?

Clearly, the Clintons are feeling our pain.

[6chars]

27. $10/wk on haircare?

Supercuts $12.95 (senior rate) once every 3 months = $1/wk.
One bottle of family sized bottle ($2.50) of Suave, twice per year = $0.10/wk.
Comb - just reuse the one from last year = $0.00/wk.

[L0oniX]

29. She upwardly mobile but I just earned $400,000 for speaking at Goldman Sachs.

She's just like me only she has yet to catch up to the value of my speaking abilities.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

57. That's okay, she's going to give $300,000 of that to a polling firm.....

She really believes you can buy a clue.

[Thinkingabout]

30. Speaking from experience?

[Phlem]

31. Seriously?

that's what you've got?

[ericson00]

33. I'll point it out simply; Bill and Hillary grew up middle class, and simply now enjoy the fruits

of their success. Donald Trump, the Bushes, the Kochs, Lincoln Chafee, and even Al Gore and John Kerry all grew up with families who handed all the money and connections they needed. Bill and Hillary epitomize the American dream. Unlike the first three in that list (and most Republicans), Hillary and Bill have dedicated their wealth to making lives around the world better via the Clinton Foundation and furthering the goals of more economic fairness, environmental protection, AIDS prevention and treatment, etc. unlike the Koch Brothers, or Trump Organization, or Bush Inc.

I do believe the rich should pay their fair share. But the rich shouldn't pay their entire share. If you were minimum wage, and then get your wage doubled, would you think it OK for the guy who didn't get a raise to wish away your raise out of jealousy?

Oh wait, this isn't a rational post on your part. Its Clinton-hatred.

[Thinkingabout]

36. Yes, the assets Bill and Hillary have acquired has been through their works.

Both have been successful book writers, others could do the same, they worked hard and played by the rules, good for them.

[840high]

53. Played by the rules. WTH?

[Thinkingabout]

62. Yes, like getting their degrees, working hard, got elected to offices and then wrote books which

Paid big bucks for the books. Like a pro football player, worked hard and acquired a big pro contract.

[840high]

64. I don't associate rules with Mrs. Clinton.

[Beacool]

78. That seems to be more your problem than hers.

[840high]

81. I'm not running for president.

[hedda_foil]

46. My God, are you really using the RW meme that socialism = confiscation?

You do know that the democratic socialism I in question is FDR style liberalism, don't you?

[hifiguy]

116. He also seems to think that a retired politican and a current politician

selling inside access for big $$$ constitutes earning money ethically. Consider the source.

[punguin54]

34. If the primaries were tomorrow

I would choose Bernie first at this point. In the general, anything but a republican. Right now my preference is BERNIE! then Joe, then. (cough) Hillary.

[Metric System]

39. Why Biden over Hillary when his Senate record is to her right?

[Enthusiast]

35. Excellent advice, Third-Way Manny!

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[NanceGreggs]

38. People who have money ...

... have absolutely no concept of those who don't and, as a result, make lousy presidents.

FDR, for example ...

But I'm always happy to see that people are focused on the important issues that face the nation - like who rented a summer bungalow, and where - the implications thereof being the very essence of the challenges that must be faced, and dealt with head-on.

[hrmjustin]

40. Thank God we have people shining a light on the Clinton's vacation

[NanceGreggs]

43. I believe this will be THE issue ...

... when people go to the polls next November - unless, of course, it is overshadowed by something even more nefarious, like HRC having ordered extra cheese on her pizza - with absolutely no regard to the additional price.

Ya know, you just can't put enough emphasis on these things. Well, some people can't, anyway.

[hrmjustin]

44. It's that whole building up instead of tearing down we have been hearing so much about here.

When they put it into practice it really just shines.

[NanceGreggs]

47. Yeah, laugh it up ...

These are "issues" people you're dissin'. They are only into discussing the issues, and I mean important issues - like Hillary's campaign logo.

[hrmjustin]

48. It points to the right damn it!

Conspiracy!

[840high]

54. I defer to your expertise.

[hrmjustin]

55. Oh? Have i tried to tear down Sanders?

[Beacool]

96. Yep........

DU, the mirror image of Free Republic. Read one and read the other, they choose the same articles to bash the Clintons. The only difference is the perspective.

Pathetic...........



Next, they'll bash the Obamas for spending their vacation in Martha's Vineyard.

[Armstead]

91. It's the culture and nature of it

No one thinks the Clintons had no right to earn a decent income. But the rapidity and sources and their identification with the New Gilded Age and identification with Oligarchs is what rankles.

[TheFarS1de]

41. This is terrible news ...

I also heard they are reducing their servants and may even look at getting rid of the chauffer as times are tough all over . However will the nation cope with reduced servant positions is anyone's guess but I am sure the millionaires will inform us of what we need to do ..... for us , not their own self benefit .

Just like the rich have always looked out for the little guy , the voter .

[Fred Sanders]

42. Wealth earned through one's own hard work rising in life from the middle class not exploiting anyone is also bad.....got it!

No idea why that kind of socialism gets such a bad rap.

Middle class folks should have no more ambition than remaining middle class, who can argue with that kind of logic?

[BeanMusical]

80. "not exploiting anyone"

Hello? Does the name Wal-Mart ring a bell?

[Beacool]

83. I don't recall her owning Wal-Mart.

She was the first woman to serve on the board of directors. The lone woman in a sea of white men. I guess she should have waved her wand and presto, Sam Walton would have just done everything she proposed.

[BeanMusical]

86. Yes, she was on the board of directors of Wal-Mart, which exploits people.

Also:

In six years as a member of the Wal-Mart board of directors, between 1986 and 1992, Hillary Clinton remained silent as the world's largest retailer waged a major campaign against labor unions seeking to represent store workers.

Clinton has been endorsed for president by more than a dozen unions, according to her campaign Web site, which omits any reference to her role at Wal-Mart in its detailed biography of her.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/31/clinton-remained-silent-a_n_84246.html

She doesn't seem too proud about the wonderful work she did for them.

[Beacool]

93. She focused on women issues and making the company greener.

Why don't you post the positive? Nope, it's easier to bash, bash and bash some more.

[BeanMusical]

112. She received a salary from a company that exploits their employees.

Exploitation was the original topic of this sub-thread. Nice green face, digestion problems?

[tularetom]

102. Wanna explain how giving speeches for $300k a pop is "hard work"?

[Fred Sanders]

103. That would involve informing folks asking that not having amnesia...can't be done.

[BeanMusical]

111. It's hard work for the ones writing the speeches and don't get paid a fortune to do it.

[SoapBox]

49. I too feel really, really bad.

It was to be a TWO week vacation...but of course there were fund raisers to attend but those count as being stressful.

And now she has to face some little Americans at some kind of "events"...by invitation only most likely.

Sigh...

Too bad, so sad.

[840high]

51. Such sacrifice.

Where's that violin when I need it.

[TexasTowelie]

58. You still have hare that needs to be cut?

If anyone wasn't sure this OP was farce, then that gave it away.

[BeanMusical]

84. Hare Cut?

[TexasTowelie]

85. Ha ha.

I'd like to say I was drinking when I made that mistake, but I wasn't.. What was I thinking?

[Paka]

59. Another great post, Manny.

We have to watch out for that creeping socialism everywhere. Once it infects you there's no turning back.

[marym625]

60. the audacity!

I was going to say something witty and sarcastic but I'm too tired.

Kick& Rec!

[tularetom]

106. Where have you been?

I thought maybe you got put on time out or something.

There's been a lot of that going around.

Anyway, glad you're back.

[marym625]

109. Traveling

Well, moving.

Thank you. I appreciate that!

[DanTex]

61. In a way, this is a perfect post. Full of pointless hatred.

The only thing that could make it better is if it ends up on the greatest page right next to one of those posts insisting that Bernie supporters really care about policy. If that happens, DU might end up in the Guinness Book for greatest irony.

[Utopian Leftist]

63. What other reason could there be

for Bernie's rapidly-growing support, other than identification with his policy and positions on the issues?

Or are you proposing that a significant number of Democrats hate Hillary so much that they would turn to another candidate despite disagreeing with him on the issues? Do you really think Hillary is THAT unlikable? Because I have read that the Republicans are anxious to run against her, as polling suggests her unlikable numbers are off the charts.

[Beacool]

76. I don't know if it's necessarily hatred.

More like perpetual nonsense. His posts reminds me of the Daily Mail. A lot of convoluted efforts to attack the Clintons because they have to feed the cravings of their RW readership. Around here, it's the opposite. The attacks are quite similar, but from a different perspective. The DM was also rending their vestments over the house the Clintons' rented in the Hampton's.

Big yawn......

[BeanMusical]

67. Kick and R

[brooklynite]

69. So, care to tell us what an acceptable expense for a vacation is?

I was recently slammed for suggesting that I might go on vacation to Iowa to catch some of the candidates, because apparently that was "frivolous"

[MannyGoldstein]

71. We must each decide for ourselves

[Beacool]

97. You're so disingenuous that it's actually funny.

Anyone here can also go find a myriad of Clinton Foundation videos of what they do to help alleviate a host of world concerns, particularly HIV. President Carter is not the only one who spends plenty of time doing good works.

[Beacool]

77. They should have gone to the Jersey shore and stayed at a Motel 6.

Where else do former presidents stay while on vacation?

The whole thing is so ridiculous that it's better to just laugh.

[Beacool]

74. Yeah, because a former president and first lady would be allowed by the SS to stay in a hovel.

Roosevelt and Kennedy were far wealthier than the Clintons. As for Sanders, I don't care if he paid $10 or $100 for a haircut. A candidate's net worth is inconsequential, as far as I'm concerned. BTW, the Clintons were the poorest couple to enter the WH since Truman. Just saying, since you seem soooo concerned about their wealth..........

[tularetom]

104. "...the Clintons were the poorest couple to enter the WH since Truman..."

So, where did all this money come from? By her own admission they were broke when they left the White House. She was a Senator for 6 years or so, then SofS for 4. The pay isn't bad but it isn't enough to afford a rental mansion @ $50,000 a week.

And Bill Clinton can't practice law anymore since he's been disbarred. And yet they have managed to accumulate a net worth north of $20 million. Don't say its from "hard work". Nobody seriously believes that giving speeches at $250k a pop is hard work.

There's only one conclusion; these people sold their position for financial gain.

[Beacool]

107. Easy answer.

The money came from the advances and royalties paid for their books. Also from Bill's speeches, and after she left public office, from her paid speeches too.

They made their money the old fashioned way, they earned it.

[tularetom]

108. IOW, they capitalized on their name and positions

Nobody is saying former presidents have to take a vow of poverty, but the way the Clintons have snarfed up money over the past decade is unseemly at best.

Making speeches to fat cats and putting your name on ghost written books is not what most Americans would call earning it.

[Buns_of_Fire]

88. I've never understood what the big deal with "The Hamptons" is.

La dee friggin' dah... I've heard they don't even have a decent Chuck E. Cheese or Olive Garden, and good luck finding a bag of pork rinds.

[Major Hogwash]

89. It's where rich people go to vacation on the upper East Coast.

In the article that Manny linked to, they said the house the Clintons were staying at is owned by a wealthy art collector.
If his house was on the market, it is estimated that the house would sell for around $18 million dollars.

From the article ---

The Clintons are hitting the beach.

Former President Bill Clinton and ex-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are slated to arrive in the Hamptons hamlet of Amagansett Thursday, where they're renting a palatial home owned by private art collector Andre Nasser and his wife Lois.

{snip}

The five-bedroom home, at 44 Broadview Rd., overlooks Gardiners Bay and Gardiners Island and would sell for up to $18 million were it to come on the market, Fleetwood wrote.

[Beacool]

94. Me neither.

I much prefer Cape Cod.

[MineralMan]

92. Maybe they should have stayed here:

[LannyDeVaney]

95. Wow, you sound bitter

Thank goodness the candidate you support doesn't resort to such petty hatred.

[Bobbie Jo]

99. I wonder where Ronald Reagan vacationed?

Ever looked into that?

[MannyGoldstein]

100. Unlike this *current* fan of 1980's Republican ideology:

I believe that Reagan typically vacationed at one of his houses. But that was a long time ago, so I might be wrong; maybe this will help:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=where+did+president+reagan+take+vacations

[Bobbie Jo]

101. Yeah, well...

Thought you might have some insight into the Reagan era, considering your support and all...

Thanks

btw...neither POTUS nor HRC ever actually voted for Reagan.

[MannyGoldstein]

105. Do you have evidence to support your assertion

regarding Clinton and Obama not voting for Reagan? I didn't see anything when I searched.

Obviously their current beliefs matter infinitely more, but it would be interesting to see.

[Bobbie Jo]

115. LoL

Well let's see...

In 1980, Hillary was a solid Democrat

Her connections within the Democratic Party garnered her an appointment by President Jimmy Carter to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation in 1978. From mid-1978 to mid-1980, she served as the board’s first female chair.

http://www.allgov.com/officials/clinton-hillary-rodham?officialid=28859

I'm betting she voted for Carter..

Mondale endorsed HRC's presidential run in 2008, odds are she voted for him in 1984. See...because again, she is a Democrat. Has been for decades.

As far as POTUS is concerned, read his book.

Neither voted for fucking Reagan.