Bernie might be surging in NH, but Hillary is the clear favorite among African Americans

[Cali_Democrat]

Bernie Sanders vs. Hillary Clinton 2016: Where Candidates Stand With Black Americans


Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) might be surging in a new round of New Hampshire polls, but when it comes to African-Americans, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has been the clear favorite.

According to Gallup polling published Monday, the former secretary of state's favorability rating among black Americans was 80%, a 57-point margin over Sanders, whose approval among the group was 23%.

The survey concluded Clinton was "solidly positioned with blacks" and fared "better among black voters than any other Democratic or Republican candidate." According to Gallup, Clinton's name recognition likely played a role in her higher favorability, as did her serving in the Cabinet of the country's first black president.

Sanders' home state is 95% white.

Read more:

http://m.mic.com/articles/123775/bernie-sanders-vs-hillary-clinton-2016-where-candidates-stand-with-black-americans

[MannyGoldstein]

1. Bookmarking this so we can enjoy it in a few months

Although I probably should do a screen capture too, no? In case the way back machine doesn't get it in time.

[bigdarryl]

42. Keep dreaming the majority of AA voters are not going to support Bernie

[morningfog]

2. Another area for Bernie to grow his support.

Hillary has her ceiling, and her support is already receding from it.

[immoderate]

3. So far...

--imm

[underthematrix]

4. HRC also has a huge advantage with Latinos

[Cali_Democrat]

6. That's interesting

Bernie appears to be doing well in NH, which is overwhelmingly white.

[virtualobserver]

5. also said-only 33% of AA's are even familiar with Bernie

so we will see.

[ShrimpPoboy]

11. Good point

The Clintons have history in the AA community and Bernie does not. We'll see if the momentum he seems to have can break that up a bit.

[TheFarS1de]

23. Nope .

Bernie has no history with the AA community ? Are you serious ...... I feel dumber for having read your point .

[ShrimpPoboy]

25. Context matters

Whether he has a history with anyone doesnt matter now because most voters dont know about it yet. Most people, who dont follow politics, are only now learning his name.

Hillary Clinton on the other hand is a household name everywhere and has been for decades. So he's got an ocean of distance to make up. If you don't believe that matters, it's not my post making you feel dumb.

[6chars]

31. are there poll crosstabs of them?

I wonder how much AAs who are familiar with all the candidates are breaking in favor of each.

[TheCowsCameHome]

7. So. What.

[Cali_Democrat]

8. Isn't this the forum where we discuss the primaries?

If not, can you please direct me to the correct forum?

[TheCowsCameHome]

19. It used to be.

Lately is more about Bernie Sanders not resonating with blacks, or his failure to "reach out to them", what ever the hell that means. Ever since that nonsense about Portlland, Maine a month ago, I'm disgusted with the whole business.

Bernie will do just fine.

[uponit7771]

38. Kerry had the same attitude about "reaching out", He didn't know what the hell it meant either

... and look at his numbers among people of color after Gore (who reached out)

Bernie is doing better now

[LiberalAndProud]

9. Do you know what I really hate about this conversation?

Beyond the whole majority of the minority position, which as statistics go, really tell us much about much.

The thing that bothers me about having this conversation with Bernie as the ignition point might be interpreted as an animus by black voters against Jewish men. When one brings religious affiliation into the mix, are we more or less informed?

To the protestors' credit, their agitation has agitated, so congratulations for that. But I wonder if old stereotypes are being revived, not as an instrument of resolution, but rather revolution.

[uponit7771]

39. Or maybe Hillary has relationship with PoC that is not taken for granted and PoC could care less wha

... what religion Bernie is?

Your friend Hillary sucks so vote for me isn't a good selling point imho

[LiberalAndProud]

46. Your post is overly dismissive, I think.

We are taking black America's temperature as if the PoC vote were not as diverse, with as many diverse reasons for making their voting choices as white America. So this sort of monolithic thinking troubles me greatly.

I do think that as a voting block, Muslim Americans, to name one religious affiliation, aren't likely to vote for Sanders. I think there may well be some protestant Christian denominations who may claim that same prejudice. I'd be interested in knowing about that but the information, as far as I can tell, isn't available. Why is that?

Why aren't we taking polls to take the temperature of voters' religious affiliation as well as their ethnic origins? Because it doesn't fit the narrative, I suspect. I'm sorry if what I have said causes offense, but I'm feeling very manipulated by the current narrative. I'm sensitive that way.

[uponit7771]

47. Having a relationship with a group of people isn't dismissive at all. FDR could Hardly walk, the ...

...first "president" (or vice president) who was of color was a native American...

I don't believe America as a whole has ever cared if a good leader is polka dot or from Mars just as long as they stand for them.

In this case Hillary is well known, spoke in MANY MANY community centers were PoC live and has a long relations a tad bad but mostly good.

I think it's more dismissive to intimate that time investment in relationships doesn't matter

[LiberalAndProud]

49. Yes, you have entirely dismissed my point.

's okay.

[bobbobbins01]

10. One surge at a time.

I'm enjoying watching the talking points get dismantled one by one.

[ibegurpard]

12. OK

[seveneyes]

13. Everyone is free to make their own election choices

Some do it as a monolith, others individually.

[restorefreedom]

14. you might want to check out

robert reich's recent piece dismantling the "why bernie can't win" myths. he talks about the false racial divide

thread here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251513996

[Warren Stupidity]

15. Sour might be the grapes, but they make a great wine.

[mmonk]

16. Put it on a loop and save yourself posting the same theme everyday.

[artislife]

17. Isn't it already?

[walkthewalkorstfu]

18. The majority of America does not give a rat's ass about politics right now they got better things to

do with their life and time.

Closer to the elections next year, America will start to pay attention and the Bern will speads like wildfire, even in the South.

[AtomicKitten]

20. According to Robert Reich, this recurring criticism is wrong.

Here are the 4 recurring criticisms of Bernie Sanders by the mainstream media, and why they're wrong:

1. He doesn't appeal to Latinos and blacks. Wrong. As his name recognition and message grow, Latinos and blacks are joining up because they recognize he's talking about the toxic interaction between racism and economic inequality. Last night's Sanders event in Los Angeles included large numbers of Latinos and blacks.

2. He's too far to the left to appeal to mainstream voters. Wrong again. Many who consider themselves conservatives are just as outraged by crony capitalism and abuses of power. Sanders is helping give life to an encompassing progressive movement to take economic and political power away from an elite that's rigged the system against the vast majority.

3. He's too old. Nonsense. He's only five years older than Hillary Clinton and two years older than Joe Biden, and anyone who's watched him zip around the country these past few months (usually by commercial aircraft) and give thunderous speeches know he's strong and vital.

4. He can't be elected. That's what they said about John F. Kennedy, referring to his Catholicism, and Barack Obama, referring to his race and his name. The "can't be elected" mantra is meaningless this early in the race anyway.

[Cali_Democrat]

21. Thank you

I really like Robert Reich.

What he says makes a lot of sense. The OP
describes how things stand as of now.

The first primary is a long time from now, so it's entirely possible Bernie could pick up a large share of the minority vote.

[mythology]

60. So he offers an opinion without any supporting evidence?

Sanders polls poorly with minority voters as compared to Clinton. Saying that there were a lot of minorities (without defining what a lot is, or why this supposed large support doesn't show up in the polls, or even how he determined there were a lot to account for various biases) doesn't actually provide evidence of the claim.

[Vattel]

22. and 8 very conservative voters prefer Sanders to Clinton.

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Edited to add: "According to Gallup, Clinton's name recognition likely played a role in her higher favorability, as did her serving in the Cabinet of the country's first black president." Gee, ya think? Since only 33% of voters said they were familiar with Sanders and 92% said they were familiar with Clinton, it is patently obvious that name recognition played a role in her having a far higher favorability rating.

[Luminous Animal]

29. FYI, that was a poll of Democrats only and those very conservative voters were actually

Democrats who defined themselves as very conservative Democrats. Likely, the kind of Democratic voters who went for Reagan.

[Vattel]

30. I am well aware that only Democrats were polled and these self-identifed as very conservative.

The point I was making is that there were only 8 of them who said they preferred Sanders to win the primary. That number is too small to tell us anything, but it was used to suggest that Sanders was somehow more appealing to very conservative voters or was courting very conservative voters or some such shit.

[Luminous Animal]

33. Okey-doke. My bad.

[Vattel]

34. lol, it wasn't your bad. My remark was about as opaque as a comment can be

[John Poet]

24. At this very second in universal time, it is true.

It's a snapshot in time. Nothing more, nothing less.

Doesn't mean it can't or won't change. Maybe it will, maybe it won't.


"According to Gallup, Clinton's name recognition likely played a role in her higher favorability,"

RUT ROH!!
Looks like Gallup is a "Racist" for bringing up name recognition as a possible factor here,
according to many other DU posters.... (whom I believe make quit a leap of logic with that, and are wound just a bit too tight)

[kcjohn1]

26. Take a closer look

Only 33% are familiar with Bernie in that poll.

The more apt headline should be Hillary is widely known by African Americans and she is popular with them.

[RichVRichV]

28. Look at it this way.

33% know who he is and 23% view him favorably. If that trend stays and 95% learn who he is then 2/3s of the population will have a favorable view. I'd say that's not a bad place to be for the elections. It's all about getting the message out.

[Thinkingabout]

27. NH primary winner has not gone on to the the nominee in the past few years, the NC primary is the

primary to watch.

[seveneyes]

32. BMFD

[SMC22307]

35. Why are AAs so supportive of Hillary "Prison Industrial Complex" Clinton?

Part of the reason #BLM is in the streets has to do with Clinton Admin policies of the '90s, and yes, Hillary may not have been in office, but she was heavily involved.

[JI7]

37. Sanders voted for the 94 crime bill

[SMC22307]

50. That doesn't explain why AAs are so supportive of the Clintons. (n/t)

[JI7]

54. she connects with them

Not just black people but she is popular among all minorities.

I saw this when i was campaigning for Obama.

[uponit7771]

40. Cause even after those mistakes Hillary kept a relationship with PoC? tia

[SMC22307]

51. What sort of "relationship"?

Concrete examples, please, I am interested in knowing this. What, as NY senator and then SOS, did she do for POC?

[uponit7771]

62. A relationship of relating to issues concerning PoC and not have to be convinced that they're

... of substance

[daredtowork]

36. Re: What's a matter with Kansas? nt

[uponit7771]

41. So PoC are just like Kansas who votes against their own best interest? Or, Hillary has a long term..

... relationship with PoC and doesn't take it for granted we'll vote for her because she's Hillary!?

tia

[daredtowork]

44. If they insist on a

radical break between social and economic causes so they can't see how economic problems contribute to their social problems - absolutely! This is exactly like "what's a matter with Kansas?"

Or are you saying that you consider the analysis of this book to be an insult, and all people in Kansas (including POC) were insulted by that book?

[uponit7771]

45. Kansas isn't a rich state, there are PoC who are rich who KNOW economic issues and social

... ones cross but one does not solve the other.

Oprah Winfrey is discriminated against so even if PoC were wealthy economics wouldn't resolve the degrading effects of being racialiized.

Remember, we'd like to stop the effects of racism... not just have enough money to handle after the fact

[daredtowork]

48. And the reply argument is...

Discrimination that started because of economic inequality became stereotyped and continued on even after people become successful. We STILL have to solve the economic problem as part of the approach to fixing that.

We can argue it all day.

In my view, persuading African American voters to ignore fixing the economic problems at the roots is a "What's a Matter with Kansas" moment. And sadly I suspect their "non-political" vote is going to be more about gay marriage and possibly abortion smuggled behind a promise to fix their purely "social" problem with police encounters - a promise that transcends party politics, as BLM as an organization does.

What's a Matter with Kansas? I wish people on DU would stop pushing it.

[Stellar]

43. Still early yet...good for her! nt

[Rosa Luxemburg]

52. Early days

[HooptieWagon]

53. Oops...Cory Booker endorsed Bernie Sanders.

But there's still hope Hillary can get an endorsement from Tim Scott (R)...

[sufrommich]

55. That will be news to Cory Booker. nt

[Cali_Democrat]

56. When did Cory Booker endorse Bernie Sanders?

You've been misinformed, which is really not surprising.

He formally endorsed Hillary over a month ago:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/cory-booker-formally-backs-hillary-clinton-n384406

But Bernie is scheduled to speak at Liberty University.....maybe he really is going for the Tim Scott vote...

[HooptieWagon]

57. .

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/250686-booker-sanders-has-long-record-of-civil-rights

[Cali_Democrat]

58. That's not an endorsement of Bernie Sanders

Sorry.

This is an endorsement:

New Jersey Democrat Sen. Cory Booker has formally endorsed Hillary Clinton's presidential run, praising her actions on joblessness and criminal justice reform.

Booker, who endorsed then-Clinton rival Barack Obama in 2008, told supporters that he's backing Clinton just one day before his home state governor, New Jersey's Chris Christie, is expected to join the race for the GOP nomination.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/cory-booker-formally-backs-hillary-clinton-n384406

Methinks you don't really know what an endorsement is.

[HooptieWagon]

59. Strange he didn't mention Hillary's lifetime of support for minorities...

[Cali_Democrat]

61. Because they were discussing the #BLM interruption of Bernie

It had nothing to do with Hillary.

Hillary was not the subject of the conversation. They were discussing what happened to Bernie in Seattle. Not everything has to do with Hillary.

Cory has already formally endorsed Hillary. I'm sure he's quite comfortable of her support for minorities.

Methinks you still don't actually know what an endorsement is.

Keep going.....