slavery and racism were, and are, economic problems.

[yorgatron]

what is slavery but cheap labor taken to its furthest, most cruel conclusion?

what is racism but a way to keep people oppressed?

I say give Bernie a chance.

[bravenak]

1. It was a way to keep BLACK PEOPLE oppressed. For the benefit of WHITE PEOPLE.

Slavery was racism purified down into a concentrate. Bernie will get a chance when he gets that racism is not a economic problem with an economic solution. Money won't stop a cop from beating my ass or pulling me over and planting dope on my black ass for fun and to keep me in my place. Jail. Dead. It's tone deaf to keep trying to tell us that racism is an economic problem. It is not. Please stop trying to tell us that. It's annoying.

[randys1]

2. I dont know how you take it, the constant lecturing to you about what you

have to do, feel, think, etc.

[bravenak]

3. I punch walls Randy, how else?

[zappaman]

5. They just never give up, do they?

[bravenak]

6. Hell no! They need to correct us black folks and teach us black history

You know we can't read or write. I'm not writing this right now, for example. Can't even read. I'm so lucky to have those dedicated white liberal bernie supporters to patronize me and correct my childlike thinking.

[Spazito]

4. Social justice is not achieved through economic solutions...

Economic solutions better the lives of those already on the 'ladder' and does nothing for those who aren't allowed to access the first step of the ladder, imo.

Social justice is needed to give the same opportunities to those who are not allowed to access economic possibilities.

A living wage benefits those who have access to a job, does little for those who can't even get an interview because they are black or latino.

Breaking up the banks will not bring social justice, will not address racism.

Regulating Wall Street won't bring social justice to those who have to fear for their children going out the door to school, work.

The candidates, all of them, need to focus on both social justice and economic justice equally instead of putting social justice under the primacy of economic justice, imo. Until they do that, the concerns of the black and latino communities will continue to be expressed using every avenue possible, imo.

[JaneyVee]

7. Nailed it.

Raising wages doesn't help people who can be killed by police before they can even cash their paycheck.

[SunSeeker]

8. Perfectly stated. The ladder analogy is quite apt.

It applies to sexism and homophobia too. What good is a better ladder of opportunity if we are not allowed on it?

[Spazito]

10. Yes, it does apply equally...

and it frustrates me, to put it mildly, why understanding something quite uncomplicated seems to be ignored, marginalized and misunderstood.

[SunSeeker]

16. I guess if you have never been denied access to the ladder, you just don't get it.

Maybe that's why some white liberals, and particularly some white male liberals, just can't wrap their heads around it.

[Spazito]

17. It's one of two things, imo...

Either they get it and continue to ignore it for reasons only they can give or the bubble they live in is incredibly small and insular, imo. I think it is probably a mix of both, sadly.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

14. brilliant.

[Spazito]

23. Thanks!

It frustrates me beyond belief when I see posts saying economic justice will be the cure-all for racial injustice issues when it is clear it will not. If anything it will continue to assure social justice is NOT addressed, imo.

[mmonk]

9. You certainly can stress one or the other but absolutely separate the two, not really.

[Cheese Sandwich]

11. Why bring Bernie into it as if those are his words?

Those are your statements, not Bernie Sanders.

Personally I don't think you said anything really nutty. It's just an opinion about why we have slavery and racism.

They even have a whole bunch of chinese slaves in Chinese prisons right now workin for free.

Wait a minute, we even have that right here at home, pretty much. We still have slavery.

A lot of people will disagree with your idea but hey this is a conversion about race and slavery so I guess web forums are good for that.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

12. then why were there no white slaves? just because it had economic benefits does not mean it did not

arise from a belief in racial superiority/inferiority

[Capt. Obvious]

13. #EggsForBernie

[yorgatron]

18. whatever...

vote for Ben Carson if you want.

[bravenak]

19. I do passive aggressive too. It has no effect on anything but I do it when I give up on stuff.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

20. LOL. you are worst emissary for sanders ever. honestly, he'd be better off without your help.

dismissing a history of racism and slavery, and then getting all passive aggressively shitty does not make you smarter than the rest of us.

[okasha]

21. Go tell it on the rez.

[lovemydog]

22. Please read more. Please learn more.

Read the African-American group here at DU. It's really great.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1187

Please learn more about black history in the USA. It isn't just 'black history' - it's part of the history of the USA. It's some of the most fascinating and important and essential history of our country. Please stop saying stuff that ignores history.

It's like saying the holocaust was an economic problem that had nothing to do with anti-semitism. Many would say that a statement like that is anti-semitic. Not that you are a lost cause. Just that you need to be more sensitive and knowledgeable. Racism is real. It is separate from economics. Sanders is great. I like him very much. I think his economic platform is spot on. I'm a democratic socialist. I still may vote for him. In spite of, not because of, ignorant posts like yours.

The good news is that you can learn. You can grow. You can stop making posts like this one! No one here will call you a racist. Maybe that that particular post was a bit racist. But not that you are a racist. There's a huge difference between the two things. You can stop saying things that someone else might perceive as racist! Much like I have learned to stop saying things that someone else might perceive as sexist. Or homophobic. I have learned a grown a bit. You can too. We all want you to. And I won't think any less of you if you stop trying to tie economics to racism. They are separate things. Of course sometimes they overlap. But they are separate things. We will all be delighted that you've learned a little bit more about history!