"Why are they protesting their allies?"

[ibegurpard]

Because they're allies and allies are supposed to listen to you. When you're angry and no one's listening who do you go to? You go to your friends. Bernie fucking gets it. Stop the outrage on his behalf.

[marym625]

1. THANK YOU!

You should post in the BSG.

[BillZBubb]

2. BS!

My outrage isn't at his behalf. My outrage is that those louts disrupted a Democratic event and I haven't heard a friggin' peep out of them at a republican event.

If you have a beef you don't go to your friends and shout them down. This is politics and stunts like what those loudmouths pulled have repercussions outside the party.

[ibegurpard]

3. Because republicans aren't going to listen

Are you?

[BillZBubb]

6. And that is precisely the reason you go after the republicans.

You make them pay a price for not listening--or in fact opposing you. That is smart politics.

I don't need to listen to people like the ones who have been foolishly disrupting Democrats. If you look at my history of posts you will see comment after comment attacking the police, prosecutors, and right wing for their mistreatment of people of color.

[ibegurpard]

8. the republicans

Are currently cheering on Donald Trump for his xenophobic bullshit. Let me know again how that's going to work out.

[randys1]

51. Repubs wouldnt let them in the building, no chance of that ever.

[artislife]

35. They have been protesting

Here's a link
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128027239#post95

in that post I link to a site that counts their protests, when and why.
Over 966.

Why haven't you heard of them?

Media.

We have to find other sources than corporate media to get information.

[SolutionisSolidarity]

4. According to their twitter they were going to teach "white boy progressives" a lesson.

Last edited Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:56 PM - Edit history (1)

Lovely bunch.

Edit: the actual text was "White progressives are going to learn today!", which is less bad than I remembered.

[ibegurpard]

5. Well Bernie got the. message

Did you?

[SolutionisSolidarity]

9. I got a message all right.

No matter what I say or do I will always be a "white boy" in the eyes of the people running BLM. I am an enemy to be shut down and nothing more.

[ibegurpard]

11. wrong message

Try listening harder

[whathehell]

38. Right message..

Communicate better and drop the bigotry.

[whathehell]

30. Exactly..

and if that 'white boy' shit isn't racist, I don't know what is.

[JI7]

7. they protested obama also

Much of the anger now has more to do with sanders supporters doing things like calling them swiftboaters, some Soros and clinton backed conspiracy, and other things to dismiss them.

[ibegurpard]

10. exactly

Bernie Sanders doesn't need Internet warriors fighting an outrage battle for him over this.

[BillZBubb]

14. More BS!

This isn't about Sanders, this is about the Democratic image.

[BillZBubb]

12. I dismiss them because they a political dolts.

They aren't helping their cause at all. They have succeeded in turning Democrat on Democrat. What a brilliant move!

[JaneyVee]

18. Yeah because before this occurred Bernie supporters were so civil....

To Hillary supporters. The Democrat vs. Democrat started long before NRN.

[whathehell]

39. They didn't jump onstage & dismiss her as a "white girl"

[Bobbie Jo]

20. And you're not doing much for yours either.

Referring to these people as "dolts" with the - they're stupid - insinuations only makes Bernie supporters look arrogant and condescending.

This needs to stop.

[BillZBubb]

22. Truth hurts!

BTW, I'm not an official Sanders supporter. Don't forget they went after Hillary when she said "All lives matter" a few weeks ago. O'Malley made the same mistake.

Politically, they are stupid. I do agree their tactics of disrupting Democrats must stop.

[Bobbie Jo]

24. Perhaps you're confused

about the difference between "truth" and opinion.

You have an opinion, and your denigrating language doesn't further your argument in the least.

[ibegurpard]

23. smart politicians listen to what people are telling them

And respond. Dumb one take offense and tell them to shut up.

[whathehell]

31. Listening is a two way street.

Smart people listen to politicians who have records like Bernie's.

[HooptieWagon]

54. They protested Sanders because of his supporters on DU?

[JI7]

57. that's not what i said

I'm talKing about the reaction to the protest which had already taken place.

[HooptieWagon]

64. They ambushed a progressive candidate

...and expected positive reaction from progressives? Bizarre plan.

[JI7]

67. i Don't consider those who refer to them as thugs

As part of some soros conspiracy etc to be progressive.

[HooptieWagon]

72. I have only seen that slur used once.

Several posters called them on it, and the post was ultimately alerted and hidden.

[Bobbie Jo]

85. Yeah

It was "unfair."

Poster is still free to roam about...

[moondust]

13. Ahhh, bigotry and sexism.

[BillZBubb]

16. BS!

This has nothing to do with either of those issues.

[moondust]

21. teaching "white boy progressives a lesson"

reeks of bigotry and sexism.

[seveneyes]

26. Yes, so why did the NRN and BLM crowd take that route?

It's a productive thing to say if you are trying to manufacture a fight.

[moondust]

27. You tell me.

Simple logic would tell you that causing an ugly fight could potentially hurt any candidate who was there ("white boy progressives&quot and not hurt any candidate who wasn't there. I heard a BLM person on MSNBC last night say that the disruption was planned in advance. Coincidentally, it was known in advance which candidates were planning to be there and which were not. Draw your own conclusions.

I'm afraid this election cycle could get pretty ugly in terms of bigotry and sexism in both parties this time. I might just tune it out altogether.

[whathehell]

32. Thom Hartmann said NRN organizers knew about the blm

activist plans in advance, but didn't tell Sanders or O'Malley.

[HooptieWagon]

62. One did-the Media Director.

I don't think the other organizers knew. Since the event was in Phoenix, there was to be an emphasis on immigration during the Town Hall. That's why an undocumented immigrant journalist was picked to moderate. The candidates showed up expecting to talk about immigration, and the audience showed up expecting to hear the candidates position on immigration. If the organizers knew the event was going to be hijacked by self-aggrandizing protesters, they likely wouldn't havegone to the trouble.
The protesters were included as participants in a well-attended panel discussion earlier that morning. They weren't being ignored or brushed off by the events organizers. They were just determined to disrupt and get their faces on camera. It wouldn't have mattered one bit what the candidates said. And judging by comments before and after, there appears to be a bit of "put whitey in his place" motivation. Specifically, tweet from the Media Director beforehand saying "White Progressives are gonna be taught a lesson" , and statement from BLM afterwards that the candidates "didn't humble themselves enough".

[whathehell]

34. Yes, it does..

and it sucks.

[whathehell]

28. Wow.

What a shitty, hostile attitude.

[Capt. Obvious]

50. Can you link to that?

[SolutionisSolidarity]

59. I'll try to find it when I have access to a computer.

It was posted to DU right after the incident when it was revealed that Elon Musk was involved.

[Capt. Obvious]

60. I know, but this is the first time I'm reading "white boy"

as related to it.

[SolutionisSolidarity]

75. My memory was more inflammatory than reality.

The actual text was "White progressives are going to learn today!". Still insulting, but not as bad as I remembered. It was a in post by madfloridian. Sorry I don't have the link, I'm still not at a computer. But the post is still not archived, so you can find it by searching for Elon james.

[randys1]

52. Whiteboy progressives dearly need being taught many lessons

If ONE of them says otherwise, they are BY DEFINITION not progressives or liberals.

[SolutionisSolidarity]

66. Was the lesson to shut the fuck up and go away?

That was my interpretation.

[HooptieWagon]

73. Yes. That was the message they sent.

I understand their anger at lack of action, but it's not white progressives who are blocking action. Their anger is badly mis-placed, but if they want to marginalize themselves in this cause then so be it.

[Sheepshank]

77. you took the time to edit the content but not the title of your post?

wtf

[JaneyVee]

15. What if it wasn't about Sanders or O'Malley?

Perhaps they were just using the venue to promote their cause, like when they hold a die-in at Grand Central station they are not protesting mass transit. Going for maximum exposure to further advance the cause. That NRN venue was probably was maximum exposure and at capacity. Or you can just keep making it about Bernie.

[ibegurpard]

19. That's exactly what it was

And in case you missed it my post was directed at the people who keep trying to fight on behalf of slights against "their" candidates. Do you disagree?

[artislife]

36. I can't believe it, but I agree with you

Up is down.

Good, it means I am willing to listen.

[JaneyVee]

41. What is shocking about agreeing with me?

I'm one one the most reasonable and rational posters here. I am very open minded, have zero people on ignore, and had maybe only 2 posts hidden here in 4 years.

[artislife]

43. Gosh I stepped in it

I haven't agreed with your posts because I am not a Hillary supporter. Doesn't mean I have a problem with you, just that we have differences in opinion of who we want on the ticket.

I have no one on ignore. I wouldn't even know where to check if I am on someone's list.



Hand reaching across the aisle....

[LWolf]

87. It wasn't. nt

[DemocraticWing]

17. LGBTQ activists have been struggling with this attitude as well

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251465248

[ibegurpard]

25. It's the nature of protest

True allies will listen and learn.

[AgingAmerican]

29. They should be protesting Obama and the Attorney General

If they want something done now.

[ibegurpard]

33. I'm sure they will

In the meantime they have attention on their very valid issue. Which was exactly the point. Once again ...you expect your allies to listen and act.

[whathehell]

37. Once again, listening and acting are two way streets

and though they may get "attention", they'll won't get
sympathy or cooperation if they act like rude bigots.

[ibegurpard]

42. you're awfully angry about it

How exactly did thus affect you? Made you uncomfortable? So sorry...meanwhile people are continuing to be executed by police. How about you direct that anger where it belongs?

[whathehell]

49. Um, no..

...
No more than some others I see here...Maybe

it's you who is feeling uncomfortable.

[ibegurpard]

55. you better fucking believe I'm angry

And every time I hear another story about a black person shot by cops I get angrier.

[randys1]

58. But your anger makes you a bigot, I just read that here on DU and I am so fucking angry

i dont know what to do

[ibegurpard]

61. consider the source

And dismiss it accordingly.

[Number23]

88. + a MILLION, BILLION, JILLION

consider the source And dismiss it accordingly.

Eggzactly!

[whathehell]

84. You can be as "fucking angry" as you want, but

It's counter produtive to direct it at those who are not only NOT responsible, but who are actively tryng to help.





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[Spazito]

53. Well, the real question is: Does Senator Sanders need their votes more or do they...

need Senator Sanders more? He needs their votes, he needs to listen, his supporters need to listen. The voter has many choices, the candidate needs their voices, their votes a hell of a lot more than those expressing their concerns need the candidate, imo.

Cast them aside, insult them and you help reduce your candidate's viability, imo.

[whathehell]

82. You seem to be answering your own question

but I'm not sure I agree with you.

As for Senator Sanders "casting them aside" or "insulting" them , I''m not sure that he did that.

I would say that referring to a 70 something old senator with decades of service as a " progressive white boy" who needs to "learn a lesson" is rude and disrespectful in the extreme.

[Spazito]

83. Your post was about 'listening being a two-way street'....

My point was not necessarily when a candidate needs the votes of those doing the talking, the politician needs to listen then talk, not talk without having listened.

[randys1]

56. DEar god someone please tell me on DU a BLM member wasnt called a bigot PLEASE

[frylock]

68. They will if they want to retain any credibility..

and they damn sure better add Clinton to that mix as well. And while they're admonishing Sanders and O'Malley to #sayhername, it wouldn't be such a bad idea to include her name on their own website.

[phleshdef]

40. Their methods are alienating. If you are alienating, then you are failing.

All they accomplished was getting themselves on CNN changing "burn this shit down". I agree with the cause and the message but all these particular activists have done is take a big shit on it. Its a sad, sad mess.

[ibegurpard]

44. step back and examine your reaction

You're angry about their disruption. They are angry about people being slaughtered. Can you even try to see how those things compare?

[phleshdef]

45. I'm angry because they have an important message and they are self defeating in the manner...

...of which they are going about trying to get it out there. People do NOT generally listen to folks that act like that. They disregard them as crazy. Its sad that these particular activists are ruining themselves.

[ibegurpard]

46. I don't know what to say

To people who are so offended because someone disrupted speeches that they would be alienated to the cause of trying to stop the disproportionate targeting and killing of people of color by law enforcement...and I'm not saying that you are doing this. I just can't fathom tgat anyone who is angry about the deaths of black people at the hands of law enforcement are now going to be MORE outraged by people interrupting speeches. "A riot is the language of the unheard." So is a protest...listen to what they're saying.

[phleshdef]

47. I don't need to listen to them. I'm already on board with the cause. I'm very educated on this issue

So as a person thats on board and knows exactly what their beef is, I don't appreciate it when they do things that hurt the cause. Their behavior at netroots was not winning over hearts and minds.

[ibegurpard]

48. perhaps

But lecturing them about it does nothing to help. Desperate people don't wait politely in line.

[frylock]

70. Then why aren't they protesting Obama or his AG??

Two people that CAN do something, like yesterday!

[luvspeas]

63. good lord ganesha if this ain't some boring ass shit...n/t

soooooo tired of it. please. nobody cares what most of you think. I certainly don't want to hear all this squawking. You better stop it or I am going to start posting polyamorous threads again and it won't be pretty.

[ibegurpard]

65. ok you do that

[Betty Karlson]

69. K & R.

When you fight with someone, itt's because you expect him to still love you after the fight.

Indifference, that's the thing to watch out for. That cold shoulder BLM is giving the GOP doesn't bode well for any nominee that emerges from the clown car.

[Bluenorthwest]

71. History repeats it's old deciets...Here is ACT UP getting chewed out by candidate Bill, 1992

[ibegurpard]

74. yup

And note it was CANDIDATE Bill...not President Bill. They were desperately trying to bring attention to a disease that was running rampant. That was back when AIDS was a "gay disease" and middle America complacently sat back and figured they had nothing to worry about. And got pissed off at the tactics of groups like Act Up. Until straight people started getting it too. Yeah I Remember those days well.

[Maedhros]

76. I agree - they targeted Sanders and O'Malley because they are likely to take the message to heart.

Interesting that they didn't target Hillary or Obama. Apparently BLM felt that they wouldn't.

[ibegurpard]

78. they've targeted Obama before

And they've said no one's getting a free pass. And it's not about candidates...that's what's so frustrating about this. People keep trying to bring it back to whose candidate was disrespected or whose candidate did the right thing and no one is talking about the fact that black people are targets in disproportionate numbers. I don't care who your candidate is...that is the issue.

[Maedhros]

86. I understand, and agree: this issue is police violence inflicted on black people.

But the BLM protest has been co-opted by partisan warriors with an axed to grind. It's no accident that only Sanders is getting bad press from this - that's by design.

[MisterP]

79. Sanders isn't listening to Black people, now?

[ibegurpard]

80. I think he is

It's the people who think they have to defend him who are the problem.

[MisterP]

81. it ain't any of his defenders