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abakan

(1,814 posts)
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:08 PM Jul 2015

Hillary Clinton Suggests the Minimum Wage Is a Local Issue

Source: Truthdig

Though she has declined to say what she thinks is the ideal national minimum wage, the Democratic presidential candidate has implied that it might differ from place to place—and thus she would not push for an increase if she were president.

The Guardian reports:

“I support the local efforts that are going on that are making it possible for people working in certain localities to actually earn $15,” Clinton said in a response to a question from a BuzzFeed News reporter on Thursday while campaigning in New Hampshire.

“I think part of the reason that the Congress and very strong Democratic supporters of increasing the minimum wage are trying to debate and determine what’s the national floor is because there are different economic environments. And what you can do in Los Angeles or in New York may not work in other places.”

Democrats in Congress have put forward proposals in the House and the Senate to raise the federally mandated minimum wage to $12 an hour by 2020. The federal minimum wage has been $7.25 since July 2009. While she has previously said that US wages need to be higher, Clinton has not yet revealed whether she is more inclined to support a national minimum wage of $12 an hour that of $15 an hour.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/17/hillary-clinton-minimum-wage-cities-states-small-businesses

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Hillary Clinton Suggests the Minimum Wage Is a Local Issue (Original Post) abakan Jul 2015 OP
Southerners will be fucked again. Like with the ACA. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #1
Not necessarily... Adrahil Jul 2015 #5
Exactly. Medicare pays physicians around the country using a similar cost of living Hoyt Jul 2015 #37
Bad call. London Lover Man Jul 2015 #2
Don't agree... Adrahil Jul 2015 #6
Who said it should remain minimum wage for bigger cities? London Lover Man Jul 2015 #11
Umm.. You said, $15/hr everywhere.... Adrahil Jul 2015 #18
Take a freaking stand. 15 is the right thing to do. Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #3
Of course she does. That way she doesn't have to go on the record. Coward! peacebird Jul 2015 #4
$15 is an acceptable nationwide minimum for the time being eridani Jul 2015 #7
Last I knew Obama was pushing $10.10 for DURHAM D Jul 2015 #8
The minimum wage in Chappaqua is 8.75 per hr. as we speak. Smarmie Doofus Jul 2015 #9
The federal minimum wage is only $7.25 DURHAM D Jul 2015 #12
whatevs. Chelsea made 600k working part time for abc elehhhhna Jul 2015 #47
By having a national min wage it helps keep the country on an even keel. We see certain states diabeticman Jul 2015 #10
What an appalling cop out. hedda_foil Jul 2015 #13
I happen to disagree but, hell, why not? Sanders thinks guns are a local issue wyldwolf Jul 2015 #14
I think what he's said is gun issues are different in urban and rural areas HereSince1628 Jul 2015 #20
Do you have any idea how many women would be lifted out of poverty if they could make $15/hr? beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #15
I believe the national minimum wage should be $15 an hour abakan Jul 2015 #17
Why doesn't Hillary? beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #19
Don't know why she doesn't abakan Jul 2015 #21
Good on you for posting the op, abakan. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #23
Because NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #28
The mere mention of it is giving some of them the vapours. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #29
They're only hope is NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #30
I don't want a pony! abakan Jul 2015 #33
I have two already, don't need another mouth to feed. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #34
Oh I refuse to let them rent any space in my brain! abakan Jul 2015 #35
Yes...this. ..the base should be the state median. Even that varies libdem4life Jul 2015 #42
Of course she does. It means she does not have to take a stand. Coward. peacebird Jul 2015 #16
$15.00 an hour nationwide is ridiculous OKNancy Jul 2015 #22
Exactly. Obama can't even get it to $9 so DURHAM D Jul 2015 #24
But, but, but ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #26
Were he elected I believe he could speak with more authority libdem4life Jul 2015 #43
"pandering promises to people ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #25
I'm worried about small businesses. Walmart has all but driven them out now. YOHABLO Jul 2015 #27
Cut her some slack; the wind isn't blowing hard enough yet. She's got her finger in the air... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #31
Later down the thread people accuse Sanders of "pandering" mikehiggins Jul 2015 #32
Another BOLD an unequivical stand for the Working Class! Indepatriot Jul 2015 #36
! beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #38
$15 should be the minimum no matter what azmom Jul 2015 #39
Since by and large it is that way right now this means she will do nothing regarding minimum jwirr Jul 2015 #40
Spoken like a true Champion juxtaposed Jul 2015 #41
How dare you bring facts into the discussion. 99Forever Jul 2015 #44
Every other President has been accountable to the global group. libdem4life Jul 2015 #45
I thought Obama raised the minimum wage aspirant Jul 2015 #46
I think it applies to federal contractors, not just federal employees. Hoyt Jul 2015 #48
She wants to be the champion of those who don't want the national minimum wage raised! Scuba Jul 2015 #49
 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
5. Not necessarily...
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:13 PM
Jul 2015

I think a national "nominal minimum wage" could be used as a baseline, with locality adjustments based on local cost of living. It would still be a federal minimum wage, but vary by local cost of living.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
37. Exactly. Medicare pays physicians around the country using a similar cost of living
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:00 PM
Jul 2015

adjustment. Physicians in NYC get more than Mississippi for the same service. Interestingly, Congress decided not to recognize the entire difference in CIL so as to add a little boost to rural states.

In any event, we need to do something that can pass our GOP dominated Congress.

 

London Lover Man

(371 posts)
2. Bad call.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:12 PM
Jul 2015

$15 should be a minimum wage everywhere. Clinton supporters cannot support her if their issues is minimum wage increase. Clinton has failed MASSIVELY.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
6. Don't agree...
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:15 PM
Jul 2015

$15 dollars/ hr in the city is peanuts. Where i live? It'not really bad at all.

I think a minimum wage that reflects local cost of livign is NOT bad idea.

 

London Lover Man

(371 posts)
11. Who said it should remain minimum wage for bigger cities?
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:36 PM
Jul 2015

I didn't say that.

I agree that big cities needs adjusted living wage to reflect the cost of living - I support $25/hour (as mentioned elsewhere) for bigger cities like LA, NY, Chicago, DC...

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
18. Umm.. You said, $15/hr everywhere....
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:56 PM
Jul 2015

You didn't qualify it, and I'm not a mind reader.

The government already calculates cost of living for localities. It would be fairly easy to index the wage to the local cost of living, and index increases to the CPI, so we don't go through this mess regularly.

If it makes a BiG Mac cost $8, then so be it. No corporate subsidies for starvation wages.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
7. $15 is an acceptable nationwide minimum for the time being
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:15 PM
Jul 2015

It will have to be higher in areas with higher COLAs.

DURHAM D

(32,559 posts)
8. Last I knew Obama was pushing $10.10 for
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:17 PM
Jul 2015

federally mandated wages. Hopefully many states will go higher but most would not even like the $10.10 let alone more.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
9. The minimum wage in Chappaqua is 8.75 per hr. as we speak.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:22 PM
Jul 2015

Clinton should show us some apartments in Chappaqua... or in neighboring Edgemont, Scarsdale, White Plains, Eastchester, Ardsley.... ( Yes. I think I've got it all ... i.e. all four corners....covered) where someone ( or some WORKING COUPLE ) making 8.75 can afford to live.

Your move, Madame Secretary.

diabeticman

(3,121 posts)
10. By having a national min wage it helps keep the country on an even keel. We see certain states
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:30 PM
Jul 2015

and cities raising wages and other nearby cities and states not doing that. How soon are we going to see people moving to where the higher wages are. What happens to the cities that slowly abandon? What happens to those who can't follow the hire pay.


Sorry call me old fashion but this is something I expect to hear from a republican candidate NOT a democratic candidate.

hedda_foil

(16,359 posts)
13. What an appalling cop out.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:45 PM
Jul 2015

I can't wait for her to do the"all lives matter tap dance" again. She and her innumerable consultants are all about political tactics first, last and always.
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HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
20. I think what he's said is gun issues are different in urban and rural areas
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:00 PM
Jul 2015

I'm not sure that's quite the same as saying there shouldn't be national policies that regulate firearms to deal with different firearms issues of urban and rural areas or that gun ownership, use etc should only be local.

Statistics from the DOJ certainly back Sanders on the notion that urban vs rural issues with rates and types of gun deaths, gun violence and accidents are different between those areas.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
15. Do you have any idea how many women would be lifted out of poverty if they could make $15/hr?
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:50 PM
Jul 2015

While Bernie is doing everything he can to help women, Hillary is once again reminding us that just being one is not enough.

abakan

(1,814 posts)
17. I believe the national minimum wage should be $15 an hour
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:55 PM
Jul 2015

and adjusted up for areas where it is still not a living wage. The government adjusts wages up for many places where the cost of living is high. If they can do it for their workers they can do it for everybody.

abakan

(1,814 posts)
21. Don't know why she doesn't
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:04 PM
Jul 2015

There are many things she isn't full throatily in favor of, that I don't understand.

I didn't like Hillary last time and I don't like her any more this time. Bernie is my choice.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
28. Because
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:25 PM
Jul 2015

she's just a mouthpiece for the well-to-do, and even the thought of a $15/hr minimum wage gives them heartburn. They would rather eliminate federal minimum wage requirements altogether and leave it up to the individual states as to whether or not they want to enact a state level minimum wage. Then businesses can move to those states where there is no minimum wage and pay the locals on par with their Vietnamese counterparts.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
29. The mere mention of it is giving some of them the vapours.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:30 PM
Jul 2015

Someone get the smelling salts!

They're on to the 'you just want a pony from Bernie' meme again.

So transparent.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
30. They're only hope is
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:34 PM
Jul 2015

to discourage Bernie supporters in any way they can. I think they will not achieve their goal though and probably should start looking into tinkering with the Diebold equipment early as I doubt they're currently programmed to shift a sufficient percentage of votes to swing a landslide election.

abakan

(1,814 posts)
33. I don't want a pony!
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:48 PM
Jul 2015

I want a president that hasn't been bought and paid for. Besides, I don't have any place to put a pony.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
34. I have two already, don't need another mouth to feed.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:51 PM
Jul 2015
I want a president that hasn't been bought and paid for.


The folks downthread don't seem to have a problem with the idea.

They want to give up now because fighting is TOO HARD.

Going to the mat for working people is "pandering", you know.


I guess the haves really don't give a shit about the have nots.


abakan

(1,814 posts)
35. Oh I refuse to let them rent any space in my brain!
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:55 PM
Jul 2015

I do not care what they say or do. I have no time for the hair on fire bs that sometimes passes for serious discussion.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
42. Yes...this. ..the base should be the state median. Even that varies
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:59 PM
Jul 2015

from rural to urban but it's a big step.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
22. $15.00 an hour nationwide is ridiculous
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:04 PM
Jul 2015

Sure, in San Francisco, NYC or LA or other high cost of living places, that is reasonable.
But places like where I live, where a nice home costs $150,000, where skilled craftsmen make $17-$20 and hour and
an EMT makes $13.50 an hour...
It needs to be based on the cost of living of where you live.

But it really doesn't matter what Sanders wants. It will never happen in the near future. Just another of his pandering promises to people who actually think wanting something is the same as doing.

DURHAM D

(32,559 posts)
24. Exactly. Obama can't even get it to $9 so
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:09 PM
Jul 2015

anyone promising to raise the federal minimum to over twice what it is now is just blowin' smoke.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
26. But, but, but ...
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:21 PM
Jul 2015

Bernie would be able to do it, no problemo. He's willing to "use the bully pulpit" and "threaten the Republicans" who don't go along with his plans with "ousting them from office" if they don't comply.

Surely you can see how that would work. It's ALL so simple in Bernie-world.



 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
43. Were he elected I believe he could speak with more authority
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:07 PM
Jul 2015

to we little people to back him up..and not be as cowed...that's when local politics become more powerful. JMO

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
25. "pandering promises to people ...
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:15 PM
Jul 2015
... who actually think wanting something is the same as doing."

Right on!



 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
27. I'm worried about small businesses. Walmart has all but driven them out now.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:25 PM
Jul 2015

On the other hand, if we're all in, we all stand to gain (?)

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
31. Cut her some slack; the wind isn't blowing hard enough yet. She's got her finger in the air...
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:38 PM
Jul 2015

but the wind just isn't blowing hard enough at the moment for her to figure out which way it's coming from. When it does, we'll be the first to know how she really feels and has felt all along.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
32. Later down the thread people accuse Sanders of "pandering"
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:41 PM
Jul 2015

I think laying out the kind of world someone wants to work to see is preferable to "realism" that implies nothing can be done.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
39. $15 should be the minimum no matter what
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:41 PM
Jul 2015

State you are in. Have you seen the price of meat lately?

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
40. Since by and large it is that way right now this means she will do nothing regarding minimum
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:49 PM
Jul 2015

wage. The federal minimum wage has not changed for many years.



 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
45. Every other President has been accountable to the global group.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:16 PM
Jul 2015

Did not have their permission. That is why I think Bernie can at least a bit more done. He'll be more accountable to the people. There is a lot more to this than just a political platform.

We've never known a president who was not bought and paid for.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
46. I thought Obama raised the minimum wage
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 08:35 PM
Jul 2015

for government employees?

Why can't a President put in all government contracts a specified minimal wage?

Unions bargain for wages and benefits, why can't the government,"We The People" negotiate with these Greedy corporations feeding at the public trough?

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