We have overcome Racism, so says SCOTUS and Sanders. Ta-Nehisi Coates says no.

[sheshe2]

The US supreme court thinks racism is dead. It isn't
Gary Younge

Last week the US supreme court reassessed the nation's history of voter exclusion and decided the contest was over. The court gutted a key element of the 1965 voting rights act, which demanded that areas with a history of racial discrimination at the polls get prior authorisation before changing their election or voting laws. "There is an old disease, and that disease is cured," argued Bert Rein, when opposing the act before the court earlier this year. "That problem is solved." Justice Roberts agreed, arguing that the provisions were based on "40-year-old" facts.

It's difficult to imagine a less propitious week for that argument. No sooner had the court pronounced racism dead than its skeleton emerged from cupboards galore and started doing the can-can on primetime.

The day before the ruling, the trial of George Zimmerman opened in Florida. Zimmerman, who is Latino, shot dead an unarmed black teenager, Trayvon Martin, claiming he looked "suspicious". He was neither charged nor arrested for several weeks, and then only after nationwide protests. Zimmerman, who had never met Martin, referred to the boy as a "punk" and complained to the police dispatcher: "They always get away." Zimmerman weighs 250lbs and had a 9mm handgun; Martin, 17, weighed 140lbs and had a packet of Skittles and a can of iced tea. Zimmerman claims he was acting in self-defence. "He shot him for the worst of all reasons," said state prosecutor John Guy in his opening statement. "Because he wanted to.''

More http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/30/us-supreme-court-thinks-racism-dead

Well, here’s what you got. What you got is an African-American president, and the African-American community is very, very proud that this country has overcome racism and voted for him for president. And that’s kind of natural. You’ve got a situation where the Republican Party has been strongly anti-immigration, and you’ve got a Hispanic community which is looking to the Democrats for help.

But that’s not important. You should not be basing your politics based on your color. What you should be basing your politics on is, how is your family doing?

More http://thedailybanter.com/2015/06/this-interview-shows-why-bernie-sanders-is-losing-african-american-support/

Read: New York Magazine’s Cover Story on Writer Ta-Nehisi Coates



"How do I Live Free in this Black Body"

Ta-Nehisi Coates has written a brutal 176-page meditation on the lie of racial progress. Every American should read it, though few will like what it has to say.

By Benjamin Wallace-Wills.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118718260

******************

Yup, nothing to see here, move along, it's over.

[shenmue]

1. ...

[sheshe2]

5. Thank you shenmue.

[shenmue]

6. You're welcome

[MADem]

2. I think if you swap the word "overcome" with the word "UNCOVERED," we are closer to the damn mark!

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it....

[sheshe2]

3. Nailed it, MAdem.

[Trajan]

4. I believe this is a misrepresentation of his statement

I believe his intent was to say 'we have overcome racism to the point that we have elected an African American President'

He didn't complete the statement, and so some can twist this notion; that Bernie is idiotic or ignorant because of this - This is amazingly convenient and useful to his political opponents ... Even here on DU ...

I ask you; Do you really believe that this man, who rails against the oligarchs and power brokers for their poor treatment of working families, of the lack of funding for education, job training, and his continual expressions off disdain for the corporate treatment of the middle and lower classes, BUT, that he is also happy and comfortable with the treatment of minorities, and that he is satisfied that racism is 100% removed from society, and that therefore, no further effort need be made to improve life for minorities? .. He hates African Americans, is that what you are trying to imply?

I greatly doubt this is the case ... Why would such a wonderfully caring man look to the most dispossessed of our society and declare all is well with them? ...

I don't believe it ... This is political polemic, and nothing more ... It's actually quite shameful to make this accusation ...

Tired of it ... Gone ...

[restorefreedom]

7. well put. nt

[sheshe2]

9. Distorted.

Read my reply below, or not.

[restorefreedom]

11. i think bernie recognizes

that some progress against racism has been achieved in his lifetime. he would be a fool to think we are post racial. and he is no fool.

[sheshe2]

8. I posted his words.

I did not twist them, they are his words. Do you dispute that?

You are the one shoving words in my mouth. I never said....

I ask you; Do you really believe that this man, who rails against the oligarchs and power brokers for their poor treatment of working families, of the lack of funding for education, job training, and his continual expressions off disdain for the corporate treatment of the middle and lower classes, BUT, that he is also happy and comfortable with the treatment of minorities, and that he is satisfied that racism is 100% removed from society, and that therefore, no further effort need be made to improve life for minorities? .. He hates African Americans, is that what you are trying to imply?

I posted his words, you are the one interpreting and flinging accusations.

I greatly doubt this is the case ... Why would such a wonderfully caring man look to the most dispossessed of our society and declare all is well with them? ...

I don't believe it ... This is political polemic, and nothing more ... It's actually quite shameful to make this accusation ...

I never made an accusation. I quoted what he said.

[Scootaloo]

34. And what do you believe he meant by these words, sheshe2?

[Luminous Animal]

37. She meant that she thinks Bernie is a bubble headed idiot!

[Scootaloo]

38. Now now, I want to hear what Sheseh2 thinks

[sheshe2]

60. Ridiculing me was uncalled for.

That was just plain nasty. Thought we had a little understanding, a linked issue that we have and understanding for? Guess not. Hope your mom and you are doing okay.

Please don't post to me again. I tried with you, we are done.

[virtualobserver]

39. When someone makes a decision to deliberately misinterpret.....

it is difficult to even have a conversation....at least a conversation that doesn't drive you insane.

[kath]

49. Deliberately misinterpret?!? Gee, ya think?

[Enthusiast]

70. Huge +1!

[arcane1]

155. This poster has a history of telling lies about Sanders, and exploiting race in the process

This one's a doozy:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251461135

The poster in the OP has zero credibility.

[virtualobserver]

157. posts like these have motivated me to defend Bernie

some Hillary posters have tried so very hard to make this about race.

It really depresses me.

[arcane1]

159. Agreed, it's depressing, but it makes me want to work harder for the Truth.

I'm glad this is my first-ever campaign that I'm volunteering for

[virtualobserver]

161. what part of the country do you live in? n/t

[arcane1]

162. California n/t

[virtualobserver]

163. Texas, myself

I have been reaching out to people....unfortunately I live in a Trumpish area.

[arcane1]

164. That's where we need people the most!

[sheshe2]

46. I think he does not have a clue

And that he is not listening to AfAm and all PoC. Probably the reason he is not polling well with them.

[Scootaloo]

47. What do you think he meant by what he said, sheshe2?

It's a very simple question.

[sheshe2]

62. Hey Scoot.

Asked and answered.

[kath]

63. Where did you answer? Which post?

[HERVEPA]

102. It's bullshit. And you didn't answer.

Can't support your candidate without lying to tear down another candidate?

[TM99]

45. You have been called out on this bullshit previously.

Last edited Fri Jul 17, 2015, 05:54 AM - Edit history (1)

You are tyring to link racist things to Sanders by adding his statement which you have completely distorted for your own purposes.

It if fucking disgusting that you keep trying to do this even when called out on it.

Sanders clearly said that we have come a long way in this country since he and others were involved in the civil rights movement of the 1960's by electing Obama to the presidency. That is a fact. The quote you use is months old.

In his speech at La Raza, he clarified for those willfully wanting to misinterpret what he has said.

http://www.wisconsingazette.com/political/sanders-denounces-racism-divisive-politics-of-trump-in-address-to-la-raza.html

While “racism has plagued the United States since its inception,” Sanders said the nation has advanced. “We should be proud that in recent decades we have made real progress,” he said. But he cautioned that voices of division remain and must be forcefully rejected.
“Not Donald Trump, not anyone else will be successful in dividing us based on race or on our country of origin. America becomes a greater nation, a stronger nation, when we stand together as one people and in a loud and clear voice we say no to racism and bigotry,” Sanders said.

And after the Charleston shootings, he yet again stated things as clear as day.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/charleston-shooting-bernie-sanders-racism

"The hateful killing of nine people praying inside a church is a horrific reminder that, while we have made significant progress in advancing civil rights in this country, we are far from eradicating racism," he said.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with the families and their congregation," Sanders added.

Saying we have made progress AND that there is still racism that must be eradicated can only be twisted into a racist comment by Clinton supporters. It is fucking infuriating. Things have changed quite a lot since my parents - a black man and a white woman - married in 1967. As a child, as a teen, and then as an adult, I have watched things change.

And now another generation must face their own racism and come to terms with it.

But we have still made progress. That should not be ignored or discounted just so you can attempt to score points for a candidate who was a fucking racist in her in 2008 campaign.

[BrotherIvan]

76. Fucking AMEN

[marym625]

135. +1bazillion!

[blackspade]

150. +1000

[arcane1]

158. +1000

At some point, the OPs tactics become exploitation.

[appalachiablue]

64. Agree & know in fact how Sanders often says we have made great strides to overcome racsim, bigotry,

homophobia and discriminatory practices in America but still have to much more work to do. His comments to ABC News were made in this vein. One week ago tonight I heard him speak at a policy forum on this topic and the disturbing fact of high youth unemployment in the US now. According to a new research study, unemployment for youths age 17-20 is more than 30% for whites and Hispanics and 51% for African Americans. My family includes people of these backgrounds and so it is of special concern.

Sanders was a guest speaker this week at the Kansas City conference of the NCLR, the National Council of La Raza, the largest Hispanic civil rights and advocacy organization in the US. He emphasized the need to overcome racism and bigotry based on color, culture, language and country of origin, a subject he knows well as the son of a Jewish immigrant father from Poland and a family lost in the Holocaust which La Raza President, Janet Murguia brought up in his introduction.
The Latino audience listened and cheered as Sanders stressed improving education and jobs, guaranteeing a living wage, pay equity for women workers and paid worker leave. His long record and commitment to the Dreamers, comprehensive immigration reform and other issues of importance to the Hispanic community were also applauded by the audience.

The need to address US poverty, especially among children is another issue Sanders has been highlighting as well as deplorable numbers of people in prison in the US, mostly PoC, the highest in the world, even compared to communist, authoritarian China with a vastly larger population. We need more education and jobs, not prisons he said.

Michelle Alexander's significant and successful book, 'The New Jim Crow' (2010) has been widely acclaimed in the last five years for revealing the growth of US private, for profit prisons driven by harsher sentencing and tough on crime laws since the 1990s. The increased incarceration rates have disproportionally devastated black and Latino persons, families and communities.
Recently a poster here who often suggests and asks why Sanders doesn't show more concern for black issues wrote "who's that?" when Michelle Alexander's name was brought up. I thought that strange and not believable enough.

To resort to charge Sanders with racial distance this time based on the negative SCOTUS Voting Rights decision and excellent work on institutional racism by journalists very familiar to me, Gary Younge at the Guardian and Ta-Nehisi Coates, particularly his signal Atlantic article, 'The Case for Reparations', June 2014 is another incongruous, dishonest OP about what Sanders refers to and fights, "the stain of America".

[beam me up scottie]

79. What a thoughtful and interesting post.

Far more honest than the op, it deserves its own thread.



Thank you, that is exactly the antidote we need to counteract the toxic effects of race baiting.

[appalachiablue]

127. A second attempt to paint Sanders as uncaring on race despite evidence to the contrary, all to

promote another candidate. Mendacity. Repeated denial and obfuscation of concocted associations that were called out the last time as disingenuous, twisted and offensive yet tolerated which raises another issue. Black people are fully able to discern truth and make decisions about political matters; to co-opt, use their concerns for personal or political gain is also a form of racism and viewed harshly. It's an old ruse that most recognize like my family members, a college administrator, language and IT students, an environmental analyst, a Democratic city mayor, former city councilman and Dept. Chairman at an historic black university. This isn't discussion, this is advocacy, and dishonesty.

[beam me up scottie]

128. It is extremely insulting, yes.

I don't know if the op doesn't realize that or just doesn't care.

But if they listened to poc as much as they claim neither would be the case.


You have become one of my favourite posters, appalachiablue. I always look forward to your posts, you have a lot to say and I appreciate your clarity and perspective.

[appalachiablue]

133. Thats so nice Scottie, just doing what I can. ~ To return to the poster, who wants

to seriously, (and obviously!) run off any interested in Sanders with the awful, lair OPs about him makes me wonder what highly articulate and intelligent journalists they used, like Gary Younge and Coates would think of this character.

Replace what I said about this OP- "This isn't a discussion, this is advocacy, and dishonesty". To state: "This is CAMPAIGNING, sub rosa."
! YES, BLACK & BROWN PEOPLE, RUN FROM SANDERS! RACIST SKINHEAD FROM ARYAN VERMONT!

But you did see BILL CLINTON'S recent admission all over the news, in NYT, CNN today that he incarcerated too many people in PRISONS. Ya think? Yet Sanders doesn't CARE? We haven't seen Sanders acting to haul away young brown and black people to prison en mass for trivial offenses and stiffer, longer sentences. Ruining their lives, their families and communities. To the contrary, Sanders has been railing about the US' highest prison population in the world, and instead of JAILS he calls for more JOBS and EDUCATION!

*BILL CLINTON: I MADE CRIMINAL JUSTICE WORSE, The Daily Beast, July 15, 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141147333

[beam me up scottie]

134. I don't think the author would want to be used in such a way.

It cheapens their words and makes a mockery of everything they stand for. Imo, it's emotionally abusive to use another's cause to shamelessly promote your own agenda.


I hadn't seen that, thank you. I can't believe people are trying to turn his questionably timed admission into an albatross around Sanders' neck.

Seriously, I'm stunned.

How can anyone be that dishonest?

[arcane1]

160. Well-said

[George II]

103. I saw no shred of an "accusation" in the OP. Did I misread it?

[Comrade Grumpy]

115. Yes, but it's a helpful canard for certain people trying to push a certain candidate.

Even the most cursory search of his statement on the issue would show that he understands and acknowledges the persistence of racism in this county.

Like this speech from last month:

http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000003761034/bernie-sanders-on-racist-history-of-the-us.html

[arcane1]

123. A dishonest criticism of Sanders? On DU?

Say it isn't so!

[George II]

130. How do you know he didn't complete his statement?

[Trajan]

131. I've had enough of your nonsense

Good bye

[Cha]

138. OOOOOEWWWWeee.. He's "had enough of your nonsense"!

[arcane1]

153. It was a deliberate lie. Just like their hidden post about militias

[sheshe2]

10. Guess Coates was right.

"How do I Live Free in this Black Body"

Ta-Nehisi Coates has written a brutal 176-page meditation on the lie of racial progress. Every American should read it, though few will like what it has to say.

[kath]

51. Deflecting...

[Cha]

140. No, of course, you're not "deflecting", she. Right on point.

[sheshe2]

142. Thanks you are right, not deflecting, Cha.

Late gotta go.

[Cheese Sandwich]

12. This post makes me want to post negative stuff about Hillary

Like single quotes taken out of context, and things she could probably have worded better. True quotes yet just dumb statements.

[stevenleser]

13. Right, because nothing negative about Hillary is being posted in GD-P...

[sheshe2]

14. Hey~

[Luminous Animal]

17. We get it. Bernie is a racist.

[stevenleser]

19. And the ref calls it...illegal substitution on the field...

[sheshe2]

28. OMG!

You are awesome Steven.

[SunSeeker]

36. LOL nt

[Luminous Animal]

40. We get it. Bernie is a racist.

[stevenleser]

42. Upon further review, the refs initial call stands. nt

[Luminous Animal]

54. We get it. Bernie is a racist.

[stevenleser]

56. Refer to Refs decision in post #19 nt

[Cheese Sandwich]

58. We need a new ref. A ref is supposed to be neutral.

You're clearly only calling penalties against one side.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

94. You report, and let us think we decided. You're my favorite Fox News personality.

[stevenleser]

96. The fallacy ref throws two flags on you here, ad hominem and ergo decedo

Two fallacious arguments in one sentence. Doesn't sound like you have the standing to attack anyone else...

[DisgustipatedinCA]

97. Nice photos, Steve. Thanks.

[stevenleser]

98. You earned 'em, you might as well enjoy 'em. nt

[stevenleser]

104. Besides, Bernie's been on Fox more than I have. I guess this means you wont vote for him now?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

106. Your smiley has a little tic. Get that looked at.

Bernie Sanders is an occasional guest on Fox News. You and Alan Colmes play a different role for the network.

[stevenleser]

108. Bernie's a guest, just like me, just a more frequent one. Guess you will have to think of something

else to use as an ad hominem attack on me.



p.s., if you had it in you, you could try arguing issues, but you are showing you are clearly incapable of doing that.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

110. That's right, Steve. I have problems velco-ing my shoes in the morning.

It's a wonder I can manage to type at all.

You have yourself a nice day, Steven Leser.

[stevenleser]

111. That would not surprise me. nt

[Trajan]

146. All the good will you have generated over the years here

Squandered in that one subthread ...

Is every criticism of your commentary automatically an ad hominem? ... Under your system of fallacy, is it even possible to disagree with you?

All these years, I thought 'I respect Steven Leser' ...

That's all gone now ... You have squandered that good will ... You have marginalized yourself as just another mean spirited partisan ... In other words. You are nothing special ... You are degraded to 'typical hater' ..

It's a shame, really ... Bernie supporters are Liberal Democrats who honestly believe in the policies he promotes because WE have been promoting those same policies here in DU for over a decade now ..

And you were there too, promoting those same liberal policies along with us .... Now you have cast US into this wilderness in your effort to protect a marginally 'Liberal' candidate?

This is bald faced political expediency ... You now condemn those who have had your back all these years ... Pretty shameful, if you ask me ...

I don't see why I would ever bother to give a shit about what you have to say anymore ... Once you are outed as a political hater, you carry the 'hater' tag forever ...

Wear it with pride ... You earned it as you lost our respect, forever ...

[stevenleser]

147. I should care about this one sided opinion why exactly? You say nothing about the mean spiritedness

of the person I was talking with. Why should I care about someone who does that?

No one who does that is worth my time. In fact, I HOPE I turn off everyone who would criticize me for responding to someone who was behaving like a jerk towards me. Good riddance.

[George II]

105. This is getting boring but it will get your post count up

[stevenleser]

107. Odd behavior isn't it? Insisting someone said what they clearly didn't say. On a forum where all

can read what actually was said?

[virtualobserver]

113. The odd behavior is the deliberate misinterpretation of Bernie's words

Not only can we read what Bernie said, we can also read what he said during his entire life, both before and after this quote. Clearly Bernie does not believe that racism itself has been overcome.

He was expressing that the American people overcame their racism and voted for President Obama.

If I say that I overcame my fear and spoke at a public gathering, that doesn't mean that I am now devoid of fear in every circumstance, that fear itself has been eliminated, just that I overcame fear in that one instance.

Of course, you already know this.......this is just a game of words to you.

Since all rational people see through this, why do you even bother?

[stevenleser]

114. Nope. I didn't opine on that one way or the other in my posts here. See my #13 above

which is my first post which for some reason resulted in the nonsense responses.

[frylock]

124. Yes, because someone with 23,000+ posts needs to pad their count

[Cha]

139. Bueno!

[KMOD]

32. lol

[Scootaloo]

35. Maybe you could post some positive Hillary stuff.

[Vattel]

90. deflection

[stevenleser]

100. Of what? nt

[calimary]

121. Totally. NOTHING negative about Hillary is being posted ANYWHERE here!!!

Cue the eyelash-batting!

Gee, I'm looooooooooooking and looooooooooooking for Hillary-bashing and just can't find it any ol' where here!

Frankly, I think a whole lot of us thought we had overcome racism in this country when Barack Obama was elected President. I certainly did. I thought it meant we had indeed finally grown up and gotten over it, in this country. And here was proof.


MAN was I wrong! It only served to bring out the worst in too big a chunk of the population of this country. All I've seen since then has been acting-out, in legions of ways big and small, both harmless and murderous. Acting out by a bunch of individuals and groups who look, to me, like adult-size three-year-olds throwing temper tantrums at the supermarket because they didn't get their way and Mom didn't buy them more Cocoa Puffs. And the acting-out has grown in volume and temperature and virulence ever since.

Seems like all that both Barack Obama's elections accomplished was to rip a scab off a big wound that hasn't healed in more than 150 years.

[Jamaal510]

149. In Nov '08, I knew

it wouldn't be over, but I never would have imagined the animosity to be this intense. This president reportedly has had the most death threats out of any president in history, he lost a number of votes due to his race, he has been harassed for his birth certificate unlike his predecessors, and getting the GOP to cooperate has been like pulling teeth out of a lion after they conspired to block him at all costs. And of course there have been a ton of idiots online calling him a monkey and making up conspiracies about him. I can see why his hair turned as gray as it did in less than 8 years! People like Bernie Sanders and Antonin Scalia say that we've overcome racism and that it's mostly a matter of class or whatever, but that's nonsense when the president gets treated that badly. The haters look at him just the same as any other Black person.

[sheshe2]

16. Actually it was a quote.

And, no not taken out of context. Go listen at NPR.

[Luminous Animal]

27. Do you not understand the concept that WE as a nation had jumped from being

a majority racist country to a country that elected a black man. That is big shit.

We've also jumped from a majority homophobic country to one that now celebrates marriage equality.

When I say that we… the citizens of this United States… have overcome homophobia and have embraced marriage equality, I am celebrating that and I will shout that. But that does not mean I am ignoring the very real ongoing homophobia that seeks to undermine how far we have come.

And that is Bernie's point. That we, as a NATION, grew up a bit. That we as a NATION, repudiated the racists (finally) got to the point where we were AOK electing a black man as leader of this nation.

He doesn't say that racism is overcome but rather racists were overcome.

[KMOD]

41. racism and bigotry are still alive and well

We have made progress, but nothing has been overcome at all.

The thoughts are still there, they are just hidden due to fear of public ridicule. Can it ever be totally eradicated? Probably not, but we've come to far to just ignore it at this point. Bigotry and racism is still very much alive, it's just much quieter.

I love watching the children of today. They just don't care. They aren't preoccupied with race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc. It's a pleasure to see. I want to watch them grow, and have their own children, and for their children to have children, and for them to look back at us through a historical lens and realize how stupid and foolish we are/were when it comes to this issue.

[George II]

109. We see examples of racism, violent and deadly racism, almost daily.

[sheshe2]

43. No.

Electing a Black man as President ends nothing. Take a moment and just look at how this Black President has been treated. Death threats have escalated. GOP plotted against that Black man on the day of his inauguration. They wanted him to fail from day one, they wanted him to be a one term President.

Deny it if you wish, yet they did not like a 'BLACK MAN' IN THE 'WHITE HOUSE'. When have you ever seen a member of congress yell out "YOU LIE" to a white President during SOTU?

There is a lot of interpretation of what Bernie meant in this thred. Why did he just not say that?

And that is Bernie's point. That we, as a NATION, grew up a bit. That we as a NATION, repudiated the racists (finally) got to the point where we were AOK electing a black man as leader of this nation.

He doesn't say that racism is overcome but rather racists were overcome.

[Luminous Animal]

53. Why did he not just say that? Because he is assuming we are intelligent enough to get it.

Just as we are intelligent to know that marriage equality hasn't defeated homophobia.

[Enthusiast]

73. Thank you for injecting some reason into the discussion.

[KMOD]

80. It would be nice if he took it more seriously.

Maybe he assumes people get it, but those assumptions would be wrong.

[Cheese Sandwich]

57. This is right thank you

There is still racism but we have certainly made a lot of progress over the decades. Forty years ago electing Obama would have been impossible.

He's saying we should be proud of electing the first black president. Not that racism is eliminated. And listening to his other speeches he says regularly we made progress but still have a way to go.

OP is picking one statement that is slightly askew and using it to smear, when the statement doesn't really give an good picture of the candidate's views.

[Enthusiast]

72. Me too

[Luminous Animal]

15. We get it. You think Bernie is a racist.

[sheshe2]

20. No, you don't get it, LA.

I don't think him a racist. I just don't think he comes close to understanding their issues.

It's just like AfAm here on DU. They express concerns and are TOLD that they aren't issues. They are being told what the issues are, they are not listening.

[Luminous Animal]

31. There are several POC DU members that support Bernie. You are ignoring their position.

You are not listening to them.

[sheshe2]

61. There are only several AfAm

that are still posting on this board. They have been driven away. The AA Group is quite. Some have been alert stalked.

Who are you talking about?

[BrotherIvan]

77. What she just said

There are numerous African Americans on this board that support Bernie. In fact, there are MORE African Americans that support Sanders than don't. Guess you were too busy being an "ally" to notice.

[appalachiablue]

122. +1 Ignorance and arrogance are such bad companions.

It's apparent there's a widening schism between affluence and the belief in centrist, neoliberal policies above all else and those not in that category, regardless of race, culture or gender. What many see resulting from extreme income and wealth inequality as it's commonly referred to. And there are exceptions like everything for sure.

[Puglover]

88. Who is the poster talking about?

The person of color that just responded to you that isn't worthy of your attention because they don't buy your disingenuous bullshit.

Yeah you're real ally.

[marym625]

95. +1000

[TM99]

91. So if we don't post in the clubhouse,

we don't count eh?

[appalachiablue]

126. Apparently. Bernie not caring about race 2.0- more of the preposterous, offensive and

speaking for PoC to try to diminish one candidate and promote another despite warnings. Shameful.

[frylock]

18. here we go again

smdh

[KittyWampus]

21. Bernie has issues w/framing some of his ideas. But in the quote you refer to-

it sure seems like he's saying> we've overcome insofar as President Obama was elected.

It's not like the Supreme Court conservatives gutting the Voting Rights Act so I'm not sure why you'd link the two in the thread title.

[sheshe2]

24. Kitty.

You assume what he meant, and are interpreting it to what you believe it means.

I just posted a quote.

[KittyWampus]

26. Okay, my interpretation of his quote is different. In any case, interesting article.

The book looks like an interesting read for this Autumn/Winter.

So thanks for introducing me to the author.

[Cheese Sandwich]

29. We have made progress toward overcoming racism but still have a ways to go.

That is what Bernie Sanders says frequently.

That's the message and that is what you will get from him unless you are simply looking for a chance to score a cheap political smear, looking for one time he said something slightly wrong. Lame.

[frylock]

116. "You assume what he meant, and are interpreting it to what you believe it means. "

The ironing is delicious!

[JI7]

48. this is how i see it also , my criticism of Sanders is more on campaign strategy/framing etc

but not his personal beliefs on these issues . if he did actually become president i would have no doubt he would do the right thing on civil rights issues.

[Live and Learn]

65. I don't think Bernie has any issues with framing his ideas.

I do think some 'listeners' take and frame partial quotes the way they want to hear it. It is basically the same tactic Faux news uses to frame things.

[kath]

67. Ding ding ding ding

Very much resembles Faux news.

[Live and Learn]

68. It is pretty obvious, isn't it? nt

[Enthusiast]

74. It's very obvious to me. Thank you. nt

[beam me up scottie]

71. Not to mention that he actually said "we are far from eradicating racism"

Karl Rove would be proud of the op.

[Live and Learn]

78. Yes he would, it is right out of his play book. nt

[beam me up scottie]

81. Here's a link to the thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026887587

[Live and Learn]

82. ty nt

[appalachiablue]

136. +1 Bernie's an excellent communicator and a powerful, effective speaker. It's just scouring his

every word to hope for a race comment to work in and twist into fabricated, offensive and bizarre posts that have absolutely no basis in reality. Bernie added on to the major Voting Rights repeal by the RW dominated SCOTUS line was an underhanded, amateur stretch so bad people couldn't even find it. And this done by white persons who claim to detect (imaginary) race neglect when there is none, and use it to further their political cause. Faux tactic is right.

[JaneyVee]

22. Can someone please explain to me how...

This OP made people start talking about Bernie?

[KittyWampus]

23. Cause the OP'er put the name "Sanders" in the thread title. I wish she hadn't….

it doesn't really seem like a GDPrimary thread or topic.

[JaneyVee]

25. Wow I completely overlooked that.

I read the post 3x and still couldn't figure it out. I should have read the headline 3x instead. Thanks.

[1StrongBlackMan]

30. posted to for later.

[Live and Learn]

66. Looking forward to later, then. nt

[bobbobbins01]

33. I guess we live in a post-racism and post-context world.

I was unaware of that. Thanks for making it clear that you're willing to misrepresent people in order to push your agenda. If you need to go to such deceitful lengths to smear someone, you should take a hard look at what your values really are. I believe there is a Nietzsche quote very appropriate here.

[Enthusiast]

75. Pluuus one! nt

[frylock]

125. Whole lot of abyss gazing going on here..

to go along with the navel gazing.

[freshwest]

44. Only to those who haven't felt the slavery their own color creates. Woulld surely make me move...n/t

[JI7]

52. "Sanders Backs Voting Rights Bill "

i don't think it's right to lump Sanders in with the right wing supreme court Bunch .


<Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) issued the following statement on Wednesday endorsing legislation introduced in the Senate to restore the Voting Rights Act:

“The Supreme Court’s 2013 decision gutting the Voting Rights Act was a shameful step backward. The critical civil rights law which protected voters in places with a history of discrimination is as necessary today as it was in the era of Jim Crow laws. We should do everything possible to guarantee the right to vote, not make it harder for people to cast ballots. That’s why I strongly support the Voting Rights Advancement Act of 2015.”>

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-backs-voting-rights-bill_-----

[beam me up scottie]

55. Bernie Sanders: "WE ARE FAR FROM ERADICATING RACISM"

Sanders: Charleston Shooting Reminder Of 'Ugly Stain Of Racism' In US

Presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) on Thursday condemned the shooting at a historically black church in Charleston, S.C. as a "tragic reminder of the ugly stain of racism" tainting America.

"This senseless violence fills me with outrage, disgust and a deep, deep sadness," Sanders tweeted.

In a longer statement, the Democratic presidential contender said the killings, which were blamed on a white suspect whose victims included state Sen. Clementa Pinckney (D), showed that the U.S. had a long way to go in escaping its history of racial violence.

"The hateful killing of nine people praying inside a church is a horrific reminder that, while we have made significant progress in advancing civil rights in this country, we are far from eradicating racism," he said.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with the families and their congregation," Sanders added.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/charleston-shooting-bernie-sanders-racism

How about you stop telling us what Sanders thinks?

You're obviously not very good at it.

Not Good Enough, sheshe2.

Yup, nothing to see here, move along, it's over.

[HooptieWagon]

59. "Hard working people...white people" - Hillary Clinton

[nc4bo]

83. Ugh........really. nt

[zappaman]

69. Kick and rec

Racism is dead?
My ass.

On Wednesday night, demonstrators on the streets of Oklahoma City waved Confederate flags as President Obama's motorcade arrived, a stark scene captured by a New York Times photographer.


http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/07/obama-greeted-by-confederate-flags-oklahoma-city

[sufrommich]

84. The comments below The Banter article are interesting. nt

[Cha]

141. Mahalo for the heads up on that, Su.. Very Interesting!

[Gothmog]

85. John Roberts gutted the Voting Rights Act based on a lie that racism was no longer around

Roberts is a racist hack who had been trying to gut the VRA ever since he was a baby attorney in the Reagan DOJ

[Scuba]

86. Bernie Sanders, June 18, 2015: "We are far from eradicating racism"

Source


Sheshe, you should be ashameshamed of your distortion.

[beam me up scottie]

87. Posted that quote and others in a new thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251451674

[NCTraveler]

89. Excellent op as usual she. K&R. nt.

[Bluenorthwest]

92. These posts trying to paint Bernie as racist always remind me of Obama's anti gay evangelist filled

rallies in his first Primary run and I contrast what the OP expected me to endure for her candidate with the extremes the OP goes to to paint other candidates as flawed and it demonstrates that the OP does not see my community as equal to her own.

I mean, Obama was openly hostile to equality, his surrogates and chosen entertainers for his 'Faith and Family' events were a selection of hate speakers who called being gay a curse, a crime, like pedophilia, like prostitution and every other thing they felt like saying to pander for some Jesus flavored Obama votes.

The LGBT community literally had to protest his events and demand that he stop employing speakers who said nasty things about us. Not only did Obama never apologize, once he had our votes he slapped back with Rick Warren, hand selected for having just called all gay relationships similar to incest or pedophilia.

So. I sure as fuck do not see anything like that on Bernie's campaign.

[stevenleser]

112. One does not negate the other. What LGBT endured in the period you describe doesnt mean

people of color can't be unhappy with how Bernie has talked about (or not talked about) issues of race so far.

[Vattel]

118. so you think this post is fair to Sanders?

edited to add: I mean the OP, do you think it is fair to Sanders?

[stevenleser]

120. I try to be cautious about telling discriminated-against minorities what to think about

issues that are central to them. I try to listen and hear what they think and are saying. Even when it is minorities that are part of my heritage. I'm mixed AA, Latino, American Aborigine, etc. Yep, mixed.

It seems from anecdotal evidence that a majority of AA DUers think the ideas written about in the OP are fair. Some don't, that's true.

Let me put it to you this way. If I were hired as an adviser to Bernie's campaign and was asked whether he should be handling issues of color this way, solely if doing the right thing were at issue, I would say he is doing it wrong.

I suspect he is going to get that message. A good friend of mine who was a senior advisor to Jesse Jackson during his Presidential campaign decided he supports Bernie and most Democratic circles take his opinion on a lot of issues pretty seriously, but particularly those of race. I am sure he is saying the same thing to Bernie's folks right now.

Of course there is another issue at play here. Bernie is attempting to be a populist that is bringing in new white voters who haven't been voting Democratic. Many of those voters are, shall we say, uncomfortable when issues of race are raised. That might be why Bernie is handling these issues the way he is handling them, i.e. a political calculation.

[randys1]

129. Like your friend I truly believe Bernie's heart is there, he was a member of SNCC

which is awesome and I believe he cares as much or more than any current candidates.

But, he knows who he is courting for this nomination and he has to walk a fine line.

But he better get the message that now that he has the white libertarians on board, he now must get the base of the dem party that is not white or he wont be successful, and he is being told that right now I bet.

[stevenleser]

148. And you see just in the last few days there has been a change.

I'm not saying it is due to my friend, but...

[Vattel]

144. You evaded my question, which was about a specific post by someone who is white.

[stevenleser]

145. No, I gave two very specific answers about it. Re read what I wrote. Nt

[Vattel]

93. I don't see the disagreement between Coates and Sanders that you do.

Obviously Sanders doesn't believe that racism is dead and neither does Coates. One thing I really like about Coates is that he recognizes the huge role that structural neglect in the inner city continues to have in disadvantaging blacks. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think any of the candidates are talking enough about the need to radically invest in poor inner city neighborhoods.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

99. I likeTa-Nehisi Coates. I like Bernie Sanders. Why are you trying to put them at odds?

[madokie]

101. You're using the Daily Banter

as a source
What a hoot

[bigtree]

117. that quote of Bernie's isn't exclusive to the Banter

...nor are the criticisms of it.

[Cha]

137. I actually love the Daily Banter.

[heaven05]

119. thank you

I hope to keep the issue of race front and center all the way up to and after this upcoming election. Oh others on here will have their priorities, but I'm going to watch how much attention and rec's any given 'priority' is given here. Should be more eye opening than this site has been for me already. THANK YOU< sheshe

[sheshe2]

132. Front and center is

exactly where it should be, heaven. I will help if I can.

Backatcha

[ismnotwasm]

143. Excellent articles.

Thank you for posting

[KeepItReal]

151. Giving Senator Sanders equal billing with the Roberts Court is pretty damned low.

Last edited Tue Jul 21, 2015, 02:52 PM - Edit history (1)

These right wing justices in the majority in the US Supreme Court are systematically destroying gains made through the very Civil Rights legislation that Bernie Sanders fought for so folks like me would have a better lot in life - in spite of systematic racism.

Senator Sanders is clear that making economic gains helps all communities - especially poor, lower and middle income families. Wealthy people of color won't benefit from increasing the minimum wage or making sure unions and worker protections are strengthened - but my cousins will.

That does not mean Sanders doesn't give a crap about police abuse of minorities, voting rights restrictions, and the laundry list of discrimination that happens by institutions in this country - he does.

Who do you think is more likely to appoint a US Attorney General that will rein in police abuse, go after gerrymandering and voter disenfranchisement, and get unlimited untraceable money out of politics, anyway?

Our African American President has had 2 African American Attorney Generals who have been severely lacking in taking action. Who's holding them accountable today?

[arcane1]

156. The OP also used a twice-banned DU troll to lie about Sanders on race

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251461135

Personally, I think that should've led to a banning.

[Zorra]

152. More half truths from a supporter of the chosen candidate of the wealthiest white 1%,

doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result.

[arcane1]

154. Why do you keep telling lies? Sanders said no such thing.

Why not try posting your "Sanders Supports Militias" post again, and see what happens