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womanofthehills

(8,647 posts)
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:35 PM Nov 2016

Wisconsin just upped their fee to recount from 1.1 million to 3.5 MILLION -trying to block recount

Guess we all need to donate a little more!!! Sounds like Wisconsin really is fearful of a recount. From Jill on Facebook:

Friends, I have an important message to you. We need your help to stand up to the powerful forces trying to block our recounts campaign for citizen democracy. We received word yesterday that the final estimate for the filing fee for the recount in Wisconsin is $3.5 million—an outrageous cost increase from the initial estimate of $1.1 million that was given to us by WI state elections officials based on the last statewide recount. But thanks to over 130,000 small-dollar donors like you, we have enough money in hand to pay this fee and move forward with the recount!

I’ll be coming live to you on Facebook later today to discuss this new development and where we need to go from here. Despite the outrageous obstacles being thrown in our way, we are determined to keep standing up for democracy and for a voting system that we can trust. Please tune in then.

We stand by our commitment to verify that the vote in Wisconsin was accurate and secure and this exorbitant cost will not deter us. While this excessive fee places an undue burden on our efforts, we are committed to paying this cost in order to ensure that the voting in Wisconsin was accurate. It is another sign of a democracy in crisis that ordinary citizens must pay so steep a price in order to assure the validity of our votes. The grassroots demand for a recount in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania will not be stopped, and we look forward to working with the Elections Commissions in Wisconsin and the other states to see this through. We will be alerting recount advocates that we must now raise an additional $2.4 million dollars to cover this new extraordinary burden in Wisconsin. In doing so, we are committed to ensuring that a secure vote should not come at such an unconscionable cost. As citizens in a democracy, it should be our right.

https://www.facebook.com/drjillstein/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED&fref=nf
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Wisconsin just upped their fee to recount from 1.1 million to 3.5 MILLION -trying to block recount (Original Post) womanofthehills Nov 2016 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author womanofthehills Nov 2016 #1
"Why do American's have to pay to get a fair election?" Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #5
Do you have a link? triron Nov 2016 #17
He was on Randi's Show - first half hour on Nov 28 womanofthehills Nov 2016 #23
Thanks but not a member triron Nov 2016 #24
Free on YouTube RandiFan1290 Nov 2016 #25
Even if some of us don't trust Jill Stein Farmgirl1961 Nov 2016 #2
Wisconsin is dirty Botany Nov 2016 #3
Walker survived because the Dems didn't get out the vote for the actual recall Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #4
Not true the metrics to watch were Madison and Milwaukee and the turn out those metro area ... Botany Nov 2016 #13
Where is the direct link to the donate page? Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #6
Donation to recount Aimee in OKC Nov 2016 #7
Seems awfully shady, on both sides. Scoopster Nov 2016 #8
The state gives an estimate. If it costs less they'll give it back... eventually. Ellipsis Nov 2016 #11
Filing Fees alone: WI, 1.1 million; PA, 0.6 million, MI, 0.5 million. LanternWaste Nov 2016 #12
Stein just raised her fundraising goal SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #22
will this be statewide HAND COUNT? KewlKat Nov 2016 #9
We still don't know. Ellipsis Nov 2016 #10
Moving the goalposts - how Republican is that? Achilleaze Nov 2016 #14
At least the taxpayers arent responsible MichMan Nov 2016 #15
Same here SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #19
I just donated 100 philosslayer Nov 2016 #16
They're now saying they added the numbers wrong and it's now almost 3.9 million. They KewlKat Nov 2016 #18
If they actually spend that much SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #20
i'm sure the WI GOP isn't trying to cover anything up.... not. donating some more... nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #21
I am ashamed HassleCat Nov 2016 #26
Donated some more... mbusby Nov 2016 #27
And THAT is why we must continue the recount. If there was ever any doubt, the AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #28

Response to womanofthehills (Original post)

Baitball Blogger

(46,657 posts)
5. "Why do American's have to pay to get a fair election?"
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:01 PM
Nov 2016

For the same reason that everyone has to pay to protect their Civil Rights. I remember a song from long ago, from a troop of singers. They would come out with their opener, "Freedom isn't Free." And they're right. This country talks about Civil Right in the abstract. But, in the concrete, real world, our American Rights have been privatized. You want them? You'll have to pay a lawyer, eventually, in order to exercise them.

womanofthehills

(8,647 posts)
23. He was on Randi's Show - first half hour on Nov 28
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 08:11 PM
Nov 2016

She is live every day on Youtube, her Facebook page and her web page 2-4 Mountain time. I have a podcast but I think some of the past shows are available - randirhodes.com

Randi was a big Bernie fan, but is giving Hillary her 100% now.

Greg Palist said he would be coming out with a post of questions and answers about the recounts.

Farmgirl1961

(1,493 posts)
2. Even if some of us don't trust Jill Stein
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:52 PM
Nov 2016

This may be our only hope...I plan to donate more later today when I get home from work.

Botany

(70,424 posts)
3. Wisconsin is dirty
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:53 PM
Nov 2016

Ever wonder how Scott Walker survived his recall vote?

It is time for America to wake and smell the coffee and that is republicans cheat.

Brownback won Kansas even though republicans and democrats did not like him in Kansas.

The democratic Sec. of State in Kentucky lost by 9 points even though he was 5 points up
going into the 2015 governor's race.


 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
4. Walker survived because the Dems didn't get out the vote for the actual recall
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:01 PM
Nov 2016

All the energy was spent getting the signature for the recall. People were tired of it by the time the recall election came along. Additionally, the Repubs painted teachers as the enemy quite well and people were pissed at the time of the recall.

There was nothing dirty in that recall other than taint of the tactics used to get the votes.

Botany

(70,424 posts)
13. Not true the metrics to watch were Madison and Milwaukee and the turn out those metro area ...
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:30 PM
Nov 2016

... were huge.

A study showed a 12 point "drift" to Walker post election. Although I don't live in
WI i followed the recall and remember noting that 2 very red counties in N.W. WI
had more signatures for a recall then Walker had votes in the prior governor's race.

Scoopster

(423 posts)
8. Seems awfully shady, on both sides.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:08 PM
Nov 2016

It's not a surprise that the state commission, which is basically controlled by Scott Walker, is gonna stand in the way of this no matter what. And they're not adverse to making big bucks off of it either.

That said, it's really disingenuous of Jill Stein to claim that they don't have the money. They're raised nearly $7 million already to fund the recounts in WI/MI/PA and associated legal fees, which is more than enough to cover this new increased fee up front. Honestly, this massive hypocrisy is why she gained no traction - she accuses other candidates of being disingenuous (using the same "proof" that the GOP has been pushing for 40 years), then turns around and does exactly the thing she just accused someone else of.

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
11. The state gives an estimate. If it costs less they'll give it back... eventually.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:18 PM
Nov 2016

They apparently have been watching the news.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
12. Filing Fees alone: WI, 1.1 million; PA, 0.6 million, MI, 0.5 million.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:22 PM
Nov 2016

Filing Fees alone: WI, $1.1 million; PA, $0.6 million, MI, $0.5 million. Add to this attorney's fees for each filing ($2-3 million), and statewide recount observers ($2 million). And now an approximately $2 million add-on by WI.

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
9. will this be statewide HAND COUNT?
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:09 PM
Nov 2016

Or still left up to the clerks? Will the counts INCLUDE the provisioal and absentee ballots? Don't we need the hand counts to prove the numbers are wrong?

MichMan

(11,858 posts)
15. At least the taxpayers arent responsible
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:00 PM
Nov 2016

Michigan officials are estimating that the recount will cost 2-3 times what the cost to Stein will be making the taxpayers responsible for the difference.

Stein has the right to request a recount and the cost is specified in the law, but it isn't right that someone who got 1% of the vote should be able to put that burden on the state when there is very little chance of it succeeding. I hope the Michigan Legislature revises the recount fees similar to Wisconsin's moving forward.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
19. Same here
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 07:36 PM
Nov 2016

My understanding is that if there is a recount in Michigan, the counties will have to eat the difference between the actual cost and what Stein pays.

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
18. They're now saying they added the numbers wrong and it's now almost 3.9 million. They
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 07:33 PM
Nov 2016

took the 3.5 and will bill her for the remaining.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
20. If they actually spend that much
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 07:37 PM
Nov 2016

If they don't spend the $3.5 million, she'll get a refund.

Of course, if she wins in court and gets a hand recount, she should expect $3.9 to look like a bargain.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
28. And THAT is why we must continue the recount. If there was ever any doubt, the
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 10:39 PM
Nov 2016

Fact that they want to raise it to 3.5 million speaks volumes to the corruption. Now more than ever, this recount needs to happen.

Boy. I didn't realize how dirty Wisconsin has become. Should have known since Paul Ryan is there...

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