2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCalling it now, Gillibrand defeats Bush November 8, 2016 51.5% to 47.2%.
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Julian Castro will be Veep.
Chelsea Clinton will be appointed to the seat vacated by Gillibrand.
You heard it on DU first.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,330 posts)a snot-nosed whining punk like Rubio to be his running mate.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)The Republicans are thinking if they just nominate a Hispanic candidate, then all Hispanics will automatically vote for them -- even if their policies are as right-wing and racist as any white Republican's.
They tried it with Sarah Palin when McCain thought women were so stupid they'd automatically vote for any woman regardless of her actual policies.
Mr.Bill
(24,330 posts)but I give him credit for being smarter than that.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)of the things he did in 2008. So you really never know.
Mr.Bill
(24,330 posts)is/was in the early stages of Alxheimers/Dementia.
mgcgulfcoast
(1,127 posts)i think it will be mark warner or hillary clinton.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)I predicted Obama would win against McCain in 2008 after Kerry lost in 2004.
Everybody laughed at me.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)other then the fact he was a senator from Illinois. I probably didn't see the 2004 convention as I lived overseas at the time (still do) and I didn't have any news other than the internet (I have CNN now, but whoop'd shit over that crap).
I started paying attention in early 2007 and made my first contribution in April 2007, so I was one of the people who supported him early on.
LukeFL
(594 posts)Of course if Hillary doesn't go. Warner/ Castro would be my dream ticket
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)A sitting VP coming off of a two term Presidency will be tough to beat in any primary. Outside of Hillary, there isn't another candidate that currently can do it.
Lugia
(54 posts)Plus, wouldn't all his gaffes hurt us?
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)I'm not endorsing it. I'm just saying that when you have a VP from a two term President that had more than 51% of the vote both times, that's pretty tough to beat.
And if Hillary decides not to run, I don't see anyone out there currently that would stop Biden.
democrattotheend
(11,607 posts)Except that it will probably not be who we think it's going to be. Nobody thought in 2004 that Obama would be the nominee in 2008.
I have no idea who I am going to support, and don't want to think about it for at least two years.
Technically, we are still in Obama's first term. Can he at least get re-inaugurated before we talk about who is going to replace him?
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)democrattotheend
(11,607 posts)Seriously? He wasn't even nominated for the Senate yet. I had never even heard of him.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)In Federal Plaza, Chicago.
democrattotheend
(11,607 posts)RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)Called hom as the fist AA president on the spot. Said he'd win 2008.
democrattotheend
(11,607 posts)I think a lot of people who have met him or seen him speak thought he would be president someday. But the fact that you actually thought he would be president in 2008 at a time when he was a state senator and most of us had never even heard of him is pretty incredible.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)She;s got the right stuff, Like Obama.
Chelsea has it, too, but needs that 2020 spot in the Senate.
Juan Castro will be president in 2024, with Chelsea as Veep.
The Republicans are going the way of the Federalists, slowly but surely. They had a chance in 2012, but are hanging onto their declining base.
LukeFL
(594 posts)bornskeptic
(1,330 posts)RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)Sorry
Ter
(4,281 posts)At some point, you have to be more realistic. Thinking that Democrats win in 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020, and 2024 is ridiculous. Even if Republicans go away, some other Party will come in and win.
Permanut
(5,642 posts)and fun to speculate. I'm thinkin' Elizabeth Warren somewhere in the mix, and Jeff Merkley from Oregon is a rising star as well. We got lots of 'em.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)as will both Hillary and Biden.
Watch Kirsten. She will win it all.
Bush will have nothing in the way of legitimate opposition, but the teabaggers will hang on him like they did Romney, ending in a defeat for the Bush dynasty.
Permanut
(5,642 posts)and Kirsten Gillibrand would be fantastic.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)both of them are older than Warren or Clinton...but for 'some reason' the age of the men matters not....not so much as a mention of Mitt's age the entire campaign...
I'd also point out that you glossed right over Jeff Merkely, who is a great candidate, a great Senator, not conservative and just for you, he's also not old, although for Jeff as a man, I guess that does not matter like it does for the women....
Kahuna
(27,311 posts)BlueStater
(7,596 posts)Don't expect me to make a prediction though. Here's what I predicted in 2005 concerning the 2008 election:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2041400&mesg_id=2041886
A little off the mark, I would say.
Mz Pip
(27,453 posts)I liked the ticket you predicted for what it's worth and I do think it's a bit premature to be making predictions now.
I think Biden will be too old in 2016. Hillary may not want it. So who are our rising stars?
What about Cuomo? I'm not getting a strong vibe from anyone at this point.
Mr.Turnip
(645 posts)He'd have to pull some Mitts in the primary, or run mostly on social issues which he has been very good with or mention his record as AG a ton, but the triangulatory methods he's used to become ridiculously popular among pretty much every segment of the NY electorate would be counter-intuitive in a national race in terms of winning the primary and having keeping the base energized, also he's merely a competent public speaker and debater and both those things are important. All this is just my opinion of course. Gillibrand is my personal favorite for 2016, also quite fond of Brian Schweitzer.
zwyziec
(173 posts)My wife and I were just talking about who the Dem Candidates could be in 2016 and I stated that I'm all in for Gillibrand. So I agree with you there.
After watching the Dem Convention and seeing Castro, he is a definite VP candidate setting him up for 2024. So I agree also with you thinking on that one as well.
And I think that the Dem's owe Bill and Hillary a big debt and would love to see Chelsea take Gillibrand's seat.
What powerful line up!
Good thinking RomneyLies!
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)Hedge Fund Chelsea getting a nepotism appointment to a seat she hasn't earned.
I expect places like NBC to hire based on Lucky Sperm Club membership, but I'd prefer our party do a better job filling vacancies.
cherish44
(2,566 posts)A Blue Dog Democrat....ah memories.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)However, as I stated below, she won me over when she was one of a small handful of Senators who voted against defunding ACORN - even most of the Democrats in the Senate couldn't wait to defund.
Mr.Turnip
(645 posts)Which she has pretty much pulled a total 180 on since, a part of me likes that she did but another doesn't because it seemed largely to be a move to prevent a primary challenger from Downstate. She's one of the most liberal senators now and one of our most prominent younger senators in terms of pushing issues (and actually getting some of them passed) so Its all good and she's my become favorite statewide officeholder here in NY.
DireStrike
(6,452 posts)As rep of an upstate district, she was conservative. As NY Senator, she's more liberal. As president, she's be somewhere in between.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)but, isn't it Julian Castro?
I was a little unsure about Gillebrand at first, since she was portrayed as a moderate from a red district in Congress. However, she really gained my respect when she was among only a small handful that voted against defunding ACORN during the incident with the Freeper doctoring the tapes against them. (Shamefully, most Democrats in the Senate also voted against ACORN)
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)onenote
(42,767 posts)I might be able to make some serious money on that.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)I haven't heard much about her - more like Elizabeth Warren is the one I'd expect to see predictions for.
TroyD
(4,551 posts)Gillibrand has also already basically endorsed Hillary Cliinton for 2016, as has Nancy Pelosi. They've both said they think she should run.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)craigmatic
(4,510 posts)Mr.Turnip
(645 posts)Rhiannon12866
(206,052 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I don't know enough about Gillibrand or Castro yet, but I will start checking both out.
Castro is from Texas which would give us a better shot at swinging the state blue (which would be a miracle). If we kept all the other states in play, the Republicans would have a tough time winning.
Ter
(4,281 posts)Can't win 'em all, and winning three elections in a row is tough for any one party to do anymore. Last time it happened was 1988.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)Until the USSC changed the results of the election.
Beacool
(30,253 posts)It's rare to win three in a row. That's another reason why I hope that Hillary runs in 2016. She's the one candidate who has become such an icon that she could transcend party affiliation.
djg21
(1,803 posts)While she is great, and undoubtedly is being groomed to be a presidential candidate in years to come, I don't think it can happen in 2016.
There is not enough air in the State of New York for both Andrew Cuomo and any other candidate. As machavellian as Cuomo is, I expect that he will do everything within his power to destroy Gillibrand before she can seriously be considered for the Presidency. Cuomo is not guided by loyalty or politics. but rather his own naked political ambition. He will try to destroy anyone impeding what he believes to be his manifest destiny -- i.e., the White House.