Thom Hartmann jumps on "Anon. foils Rove's e-Vote rigging in OH"

[99th_Monkey]

Here are some other posts on DU regarding this fascinating and ongoing
inquiry as to WTF Happened In OHIO.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021832154
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251234069

[Fridays Child]

1. How is Karl Rove still on the outside of a prison cell?

[tavalon]

3. I think an even more interesting question is why is Karl Rove still breathing?

I'm not sure I buy the anonymous story but I do know Karl thought he had something in the bag, whether vote tampering, suppression or just good old delusional Karl Rove thinking - but no matter the scenario, he took huge sums of money from people promising them something that he didn't deliver on. Right about now, all he has going for him is that he's famous and in the public view, like Julian Assange. As a matter of fact, they are like the light and dark side of things and they share the same thin thread keeping them alive. I was hoping he would slink off into obscurity and into one of the great lakes, but he, while being a putrid turdblossom, is not stupid. He's a smart disgusting worm, so he will stay in the public's eye and we will de facto protect him from some very angry, very rich people.

I don't mind shielding Julian Assange. It pisses me off to serve the same purpose for Karl Rove.

[KansDem]

9. I wonder what was said in his conference call...

....with those "very angry, very rich people."

You got to believe someone recorded it!

[Coyotl]

42. There is a transcript, it goes like this:

[KansDem]

55. Apparently you were unaware about the conference call...

When Barack Obama won reelection by a wide margin, a lot of people thought it spelled the end for Karl Rove. The GOP's most dominant money man over the last decade was toast, everyone thought, but Rove is digging in his heels and preparing for a fight. He's not going anywhere.

Rove, it turns out, had no idea what was going to happen in the election. His prediction was so far off what actually happened, many thought it would signal the end of American Crossroads' influence on the GOP. Rove has faced criticism from within the GOP in the election's hangover.

Rove was so stunned when election results were announced live on Fox News he tried to argue with the network's data center over their decision to call the race. It was a very public, and unintentional, tar-and-feathering level embarrassment for Rove. The segment ended with questions being raised over Rove's role on the network. Is it still okay to use Rove as a political analyst, something he's more than qualified for from his time with the Bush campaign, when he's so involved with what he's supposed to cover? Rove doesn't just have a dog in the race; he has hundreds of millions of dollars invested in that dog.

Politico's Kenneth Vogel reports things aren't going so well at Crossroads, either. Rove had to face a conference call full of angry investors asking why their money didn't do what it was supposed to. Donors "weren't saying anything like, 'Hey, you dumb son of a b——,'" Stan Hubbard told Vogel. "It was all very businesslike. It was as if you were in a business conference and you were a retailer and ‘why didn’t this product sell better?’" It was a civil conversation, but it's still something Rove isn't used to: people don't question Karl Rove.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/11/karl-rove-fights-his-reckoning/58884/

Consider yourself informed...

[glinda]

73. This would actually explain why it took so long for Mittster to concede.

Between the "WTF" coming from Karl and the "what?" from Mittster....they were confused and maybe even scared. "What if someone found out?" let alone having to answer to the evil investors in the process.

[mtasselin]

20. Thank You "Anonymous"

Agreed, he should be but there are more pieces of shit like him out there wanting to do the same thing. We need to change the laws but in the mean time a Hugh Thanks to Anonymous words can not express our gratitude.

[Coyotl]

52. For the wonderful fake video of yourself LOL

Inquiring minds want to know why such low-quality production?

[simmonsj811]

22. But first the perk walk

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/funnypictures/ig/100-Funny-Pictures/Karl-Rove-Arrested.htm

[Cleita]

51. For the same reason Henry Kissinger and Dick Cheney are.

Those Atty Generals, who could prepare cases against them for war crimes and/or treason, are afraid of them. They are untouchable in a way.

[world wide wally]

2. Yay, Anonymous!...This is better than the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo

[rightsideout]

4. Intriguing

I want to hear more.

My only question is how can anyone have the nerve to flip votes and get away with it? Especially in this election where attention was paid to voter suppression.

Anonymous warned Rove they would watch his servers on election day. I'm surprised he thought he could still get away with it.

I want to hear Rove's reaction in an interview on what he thinks about Anonymous watching him.

Annonymous was also going to present evidence to WikiLeaks I thought.

But anyway, I'll never forget Rove's reaction on election night. I watched it live and it was priceless. Kudos to the hactivists that made our day.

[99th_Monkey]

54. Anon going to "present evidence to Wikileaks"?

WOW! I hadn't heard that on yet. That would be stellar ... to get all the damning evidence proving Rove's complicity in e-vote cheating, all that exists, or at least enough to insure some kind of conviction and prison time.

Thanks for the tip.

[fasttense]

5. Something did disrupt Rove's vote rigging in Ohio

but what it was, I'm not sure.

He was flabbergasted when Fox called Ohio for Obama. He wasn't just whining. He was trying to tell Fox that they had called Ohio wrong and that this calling of elections wrong had been done before in 2000 and especially in 2004. Everything was set up to steal the election in Ohio for RepubliCONS yet again. So, I wonder what happened?

Will Anonymous take credit and provide evidence? Were RepubliCONS overexposed and unable to use their cheat machine? Inquiring minds want to know.

[bushisanidiot]

24. And he was trying to point out there there were too many votes left to count to call it

and pointing out that the amount left to count could tip the election either way.
it didn't matter to him AT ALL that the outstanding votes were all in democratic
precincts. i think THAT says a lot. like he was expecting democratic precincts
to suddenly churn out a majority of romney votes.

[UCmeNdc]

6. ANON might have just saved the day

Funny how no one can know for sure.

No fail safe paper trail to compare actual vote counts to electronic vote counts.

Why not make vote counting and voting machines government responsibility and government property with paper recount trails?

[99th_Monkey]

62. Rumor has it

that Anon is going to be providing some damning information,
hopefully enough to convict Rove's felonious ass and send him
to prison where he belongs, onto the Wikileaks website soon.

Hopefully Anon is preparing all this as we speak. It would be
such a HUGE victory for democracy in America and for the cause
of truth and justice everywhere to put this slimeball behind
bars for decades.

[UCmeNdc]

80. The Machines were vulnerable to hacking.........

&feature=colike

[AnnieK401]

7. I'm beginning to think that even some Dems don't want to admit the 2004 election

was stolen by corrupt voting machine software. If we had proof back then what would it have meant? Civil War?

[Drahthaardogs]

14. Of course it was stolen.

They stole it, then FOX brainwashed people to believe that exit polling is inaccurate and wrong.

[tavalon]

16. Many Dems

I screamed holy hell that year. I got exhausted in my anger and had to leave for a while. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, in 2004, it was not a duck. At least around here.

[ailsagirl]

83. It's interesting that, on MSNBC, none of the hosts...

ever mention 2004's election as having been stolen. Too for them?

[tavalon]

84. Too tin foil hat for anyone

It's like saying the WTC being an inside job. Just too incendiary and scary to do anything but marginalize it. Think about it, if our government would stoop to terrifying its citizens and refusing them the right to vote, what else might they do? Incarcerate (in solitude) American citizens for showing us a video of other Americans murdering innocent civilians? Send people to unknown black op sites to be tortured and allow Guantanamo bay to continue to hold questionable guilty people for a decade. See the slippery slope?

[Baitball Blogger]

21. The fact that Democrats won't see the light, is the most depressing thing of all.

[RomneyLies]

28. That's what Birthers say about Republicans who don't buy their bullshit stories. n/t

[Baitball Blogger]

29. What matters is that information continues to come in so we can be sure

one way, or the other. S

[Coyotl]

43. Where have I heard this before? Oh yeah, freeperville!

[Baitball Blogger]

45. Instead of stopping the debate, which is at an early stage,

why don't you add something constructive, like facts that will convince us that it's absolutely not possible that it could ever happen.

[Coyotl]

46. But I want to stop the bullshit storm.

Debating pure bullshit as if it were true is the problem.

[Baitball Blogger]

47. Not helpful.

Sorry. People once thought the world was flat, also. I say, give it another week or two before it gets its own dungeon forum.

[RomneyLies]

27. The 2004 election WAS NOT "stolen by corrupt voting machine software"

Barack Obama WAS NOT "born in Kenya".

The moon landings WERE NOT staged in a film studio.

[Baitball Blogger]

30. How do you explain the one minute outsourced flipping of the votes?

[RomneyLies]

31. How do you explain with posts that are not written with any coherency?

[Baitball Blogger]

33. Then, perhaps you should have listened to the video.

[RomneyLies]

34. Again, I hae no clue what you are talking about

[Baitball Blogger]

35. Seems like it's a bigger problem for you, than it is for me.

[RomneyLies]

36. Nope, you're the one with the problem, not I

Write something coherent, maybe I'll read it.

[Baitball Blogger]

41. Empirical evidence indicates that you'll read it even if it isn't coherent.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

75. Read it *and* bitch about it.

[Springslips]

86. All conspiracy theorist

Always come back with "how do you explain. . ." Lol. The lack of critical thinking skills in this country is a real problem. I am thankful though that I am a member of a party that has members willing to question crazy in its other members, and not become a group think echo chamber the GOP has become. Keep up the good work Romneylies, and don't be angry too much, they are good Dems and liberals, they are just caught in bad schema originating from their lizard parts of their brain, and not accessing the higher logical mind; it is hard to be rational with people, caught in the bubble, in that state. It is a shame that Tom Heartman is doing that too, such a smart guy but is going down this irrational, anti-intellectual pass.

When we see Freepers going nuts with their own whacked out theories we should laugh, but also think "there by the grace of God go I." Too bad Tomm is playing Glen Bech is this crazy delusion.

[Coyotl]

49. The Ohio 2004 punch card voting system made stealing elections too easy.

You just moved unmarked ballots to the next precinct's pile. Thus, Kerry votes became Bush votes. Too easy!!

[Coyotl]

8. There goes Thom's credibility, down the toilet

Falling for this bogus story and for the Ohio misinformation too. So sad to see.

[Tutonic]

10. How do you explain the system failures in both 2004 and 2012--when the system went down

for one minute? As difficult as it seems, Anon. or someone did foil manipulation of the voter system by Rove. ORCA was never a GOTV program.

[alcibiades_mystery]

17. Where's the code?

Why not release the code?

Here's why: it doesn't exist.

[Coyotl]

37. I don't, nor do I have to. How do you explain when you request a web page and it does not appear?

And then, a minute later, there it is again. Karl Rove?

[NYC Liberal]

48. DU went down for a minute on election night.

Was that part of this nefarious plot too? Maybe Rove was hacking into DU and editing our posts.

[MFM008]

76. yes I noticed that also

I just hope Rove and or other goprs read some of what Ive said. Im hoping so.

[2pooped2pop]

12. You should check out the info from Ohio if you think it is bogus.

There is much info. You can probably get it at bradblog.com

As for if anon did this, we can only hope it's true right now. I would like to think we had an ace in the hole, so to speak, like Anonymous.

The real problem, in my opinion, is why does few in govt. want to get the system protected? Unless of course they like it hackable. Curious to me.

[Coyotl]

38. I'm one of the guys generating the information, and passing it to Brad the reporter

Some of us are actually NOT on the sidelines just reporting!

[Overseas]

59. You are "generating the information" but then disapproving the speculation about it?

[99th_Monkey]

63. It certainly does seem that the way Hartmann lays it out

ought to help the nay-sayers to "get it", as he goes into quite a bit
of detail as to exactly HOW Rove's vote-rigging operation was poised
to steal the election again, AND how Anon apparently prevented it from
actually happening this time around.

I guess no matter what the topic, or how clear the information is,
there will a few who will still trot out their "BS Detector" graphic
just to keep things interesting.

[struggle4progress]

25. +

[Overseas]

57. Sounds like you would like that, but he was just airing the speculation. Fascinating to consider.

If that bizarre flip in vote tallies that many of us here on DU saw happen in 2004 was due to the data being re-routed through a server in Tennessee, and someone had found a way to stop something similar from happening this time, I would be glad.

But it is just speculation at this stage, and may remain so.

I was wondering, upon hearing of Karl's shock on election night, whether those special software patches had failed.

[KansDem]

11. This chart supports Thom's explanation

Check out Ohio...

[RomneyLies]

13. I've now lost all respect for Thom Hartmann

No respect at all for him any more. He's now no more reliable than Alex Jones.

[Coyotl]

40. Agreed. If he falls for this BS, how can we believe anything he says?

[99th_Monkey]

64. Comparing Hartmann to Alex Jones is laughable

And if you allow yourself to be so "turned off" to TH that you
completely write him off, just due to ONE instance where you
happen to disagree with what he is presenting, well ... that
casts some doubt in my mind as to the rationality of your
thinking process.

You MAY just consider for one moment the possibility that he
is actually correct and you are not, but I'm not holding my
breath.

[RomneyLies]

65. He's spouting conspiracy theory bullshit

He has precisely zero credibility now.

[99th_Monkey]

66. Thanks for confirming my worst suspicions

about your thinking process. It's not like there is EVER ANY
truth to so-called "conspiracy theories". I suppose you also
believe the "official story" about the JFK assassination, 911,
et. al. Right?

whatever.

[RomneyLies]

69. Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK

End of story.

[alcibiades_mystery]

15. If actual programmers had actually done this

They would have provided

1. The code for the original "theft" - that is, the code that broke into Ohio voting machines and changed votes
2. A description for the functioning of that code
3. The code they wrote to prevent the "theft" from happening

All of this would be verifiable by any third party programmer looking at the code.

The fact that none of these things were provided indicates that this so-called Anonymous claim is at best agitprop, but certainly does not describe an event that really took place and involved computers.

Ultimately, programmers are scientists. Scientists provide evidence for the verification of their claims. The fact that Karl Rove was flustered on election night is not evidence for verification of this claim. Only the code would be.

[Coyotl]

44. And, if it was possible to do it, someone would be talking about how that is possible.

And then doing something to secure the process.

But, this is just supposedly all happening in an unexplained nebulous cloud of technology that no one understands here, so no one here questions if it can even happen in the first place.

The problem is no one looks to science for facts, they just believe what they want to believe and don't need facts to make it even slightly plausible.

[alcibiades_mystery]

50. Ars technica would have a summary of

1) How ORCA could interact with the tabulating software
2) How another program could either stop or reverse the interaction.

You know, real technical things that have to happen for this story to be accurate.

It really is amusing seeing the faith-based reasoning attach itself to technology: yes, the Anonymous (the omnipotent) did something we couldn't possibly understand (we being mere mortals), the very explanation of which is too sublime for our mortal understanding!

This is straight out of medieval theology.

The very faith in Anonymous is pre-scientific. Their 'saving" of the Ohio vote is a "miracle."

[SouthernDonkey]

58. +1

[99th_Monkey]

67. Rumor has it

that Anon is doing just what you suggest, and is going
to post it on Wikileaks at some point in the not-so-distant
future.

What do you expect? For Anon to take off his mask and
appear on the evening news with charts, codes, etc.?

[alcibiades_mystery]

68. Providing code has nothing to do with exposing identities

I'd be thrilled to see actual code on this. Not sure why this strikes some people as some crazy demand that the multiple people involved with Anonymous expose their identities. Show the code. it has ZERO to do with the programmers.

[barbtries]

18. i just wish

(it seems more like a wish than a valid hope it would ever actually happen) that someone in a position of authority could prove this and put karl rove where he belongs.

people have died. gone to prison. he never gets caught. even believing how truly bad he is makes me a conspiracy theorist. well so be it. i don't like using the word evil but if such exists karl rove is the embodiment of it.

[Baitball Blogger]

19. This needs to be made into a movie.

Starting with what happened in 2004. 11:13 pm to 11:14 pm. Damn. In one minute they stole the election--And they were planning to do it again!

[99th_Monkey]

61. I completely agree!!! Is it Oliver Stone time yet?

Do you think Mr. Stone would to it justice?

[whistler162]

23. I hear they also rescued Apollo 13!

[longship]

26. No evidence but hearsay from alleged Anonymous.

This seems like Bullshista to me. I ain't buying any of this.

[TroglodyteScholar]

71. It amazes me just how many people are taking this seriously.

Nevermind the fact that NO actual proof of the Anon claims has been presented.

Looks like repubs aren't the only ones who are willing to accept baseless stories as truth. Sad.

[warrior1]

32. Interesting but

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the President would have won anyway without Ohio and for the heck of it Florida.

[RomneyLies]

39. Coulda lost Ohio, Virginia, AND Florida and he still would ahve won. nt

[99th_Monkey]

70. That is one of the sweetest things about Rove's 2012 nosedive

into the cesspool of history. .. is that voters were having NONE of
the GOP BS this year, and Rmoney was so detestable that hardly
anyone but the most jaded Reich Wingers could bring themselves
to vote for him.

[Sheepshank]

78. For me, personally, it's not just about the win

...it's about the decisive win that provides some huge "political capital" (in the words of baby Bush). Not just for Obama, but for us little folks that are still active on some debate boards that tend to be home to some pretty rabid baggers.

[Cary]

53. Ha!

I hope this is investigated.

[Overseas]

56. He didn't JUMP on it. He aired the speculation which is quite interesting.

[RomneyLies]

60. You know what I love about Daily Kos?

Markos Moulitsas is banning ANYBODY who cites this conspiracy theory bullshit.

[Coyotl]

72. KOS: Jesus Fucking Christ

KOS:

Jesus Fucking Christ (45+ / 0-)

Rove had nothing to do with Orca. This is idiotic. As is this stupid claim that Anonymous stopped anything.

I swear to fucking god, the "Rove was going to steal the election" bullshit is patently ridiculous. And, in fact, it's CT.

So warning here, where people might or might not see it -- I will wield the ban-hammer ruthlessly against anyone who further spreads this shit.

by kos on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 10:24:16 PM PST

[99th_Monkey]

74. That's funny, but not ha-ha. Kos is totally covering this story

Speaking of BS, you'll need to conjure up some other phony
make-believe story to try to discredit people who wish to
inquire into this matter.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/17/1162704/-Anonymous-claims-to-have-foiled-Karl-Rove-s-Plans-to-Steal-Election

[RomneyLies]

77. Thanks for the link

I'll report it to Markos so he can ban the offending parties.

Jesus Fucking Christ (40+ / 0-)

Rove had nothing to do with Orca. This is idiotic. As is this stupid claim that Anonymous stopped anything.

I swear to fucking god, the "Rove was going to steal the election" bullshit is patently ridiculous. And, in fact, it's CT.

So warning here, where people might or might not see it -- I will wield the ban-hammer ruthlessly against anyone who further spreads this shit.

by kos on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 10:24:16 PM PST

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1162678/48471137

[99th_Monkey]

81. I've seen two versions of that

One is the way you said, that Anon was going to release the info that
would incriminate Rove, and the Second being that Anon has warned
Rove not to try it again or else THEN he would release the incriminating
info.

Of course all this is rumor and here-say about someone(s) who remain
unknown, so it's all a little subject to question; so much so that it is
apparently driving some on DU out of their minds with anxiety and
angst, to the point where they lash out at anyone who posts about it.

kinda weird.

[Coyotl]

85. According to the Anon video, the authorities have all the evidence now.

Because that is what they said they would do. Maybe the second half is fraud?

This is incongruous, first say all the evidence will be presented, then the story goes on as if that promise never happened.

Usually, when the pieces don't fit, the pieces don't fit!

[polichick]

82. Makes perfect sense to me - never underestimate sociopaths.