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2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMike Pence’s lies don’t make him a ‘winner’
Mike Pences lies dont make him a winnerby Michael A. Cohen at the Boston Globe
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/10/05/mike-pence-lies-don-make-him-winner/Tp9icZmzP4OA23NBIkswMO/story.html
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But theres one major problem with this analysis: It ignores the fact that when Pence wasnt misrepresenting the statements of his running mate, he told one lie after another.
Perhaps the most extraordinary example came when Kaine pointed out that Pence had called Russian strongman Vladimir Putin a better leader than President Obama. Pence denied this, even though there is widely-available video of him doing just that.
Pences statements on Russia were some of the most bizarre of the evening. He repeatedly criticized Putin as a small and bullying leader, which stands in stark contrast to Trumps constant praise of the Russian president. He said the Russian provocations must be met with American strength and that the United States should consider attacking Bashar al-Assads forces in Syria. On both issues, Trump has said the opposite.
What was perhaps most striking about Pences performance is that he simply denied Trump said things thats he clearly said. Though Kaine got ahead of his skis when he said that Trump wanted to get rid of NATO, he pointed out that Trump has called NATO obsolete, which Pence said wasnt true (nope, Trump said it). He denied that Trump said more countries should have nuclear weapons (yup, Trump said that). He called Kaines claim that Trump wants to deport all undocumented immigrants nonsense (actually, its one of Trumps few policy positions).
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Mike Pence’s lies don’t make him a ‘winner’ (Original Post)
applegrove
Oct 2016
OP
I spent almost the entire ti,e screaming at my TV! No, you don't want to know what
napi21
Oct 2016
#1
I agree, but in my case, it was because I KNEW his history and reputation in Indiana.
napi21
Oct 2016
#3
napi21
(45,806 posts)1. I spent almost the entire ti,e screaming at my TV! No, you don't want to know what
obscenity I was yelling. I truly will be happy when this darn campaign is over. I feel confident that Hillary will win. I just hope we cam give her a Dem. led Senate and if the gods really do shine on us on Nov. 8th, a Dem. House too!!!
applegrove
(118,642 posts)2. He creeped me out. As true republicans always do.
napi21
(45,806 posts)3. I agree, but in my case, it was because I KNEW his history and reputation in Indiana.
Even his own constituents want him GONE. Many were posting "Thank You notes for getting him out of their State.
uponit7771
(90,336 posts)4. +1, Matthews was unapologetic about saying Pence won on his show KNOWING Pence was bald faced lying
radius777
(3,635 posts)5. typical Matthews, goes back and forth, wants a horserace
he even said things before the debate that implied he would call it for Pence no matter what happen.
the media was only willing to recognize that Hillary wiped the floor with Trump in the first debate because the polls had been closing and she had a rough September.
which makes me worried about how they're going to spin the 2nd debate, now that she's up in the polls again.