2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTrump: "Deportation Force" To Be Announced
Are they fucking kidding? Kelleyanne Conway said they are going to announce plans to form a Deportation Force to address illegal immigration. These people are nuts.
Immigration issues are now dealt with under the umbrella of Homeland Security.
What powers will this new "Deportation Force" possess? And will they be wearing brown shirts?
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,020 posts)To match their hats.. And necks.
liberal N proud
(60,344 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)That comparison is not valid.
liberal N proud
(60,344 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Last edited Mon Aug 22, 2016, 09:40 PM - Edit history (1)
Hitler was a military veteran who served time in prison for his political beliefs. He wrote out, in great detail, his vision for what he thought Germany should be like and devoted his life from a very young age to political activism. He was a true believer, in every sense of the word. Of course, what he believed in so passionately, was the most vile, hateful ideology known to man.
Trump, on the other hand, avoided the military, had barely shown any interest in politics, has changed his positions from one day to the next, would rather make jokes than give a serious speech, and seems more interested in building his brand and making money than actually being president. He seems like he'd be quite happy playing golf and vacationing in Florida.
liberal N proud
(60,344 posts)Trump would have no problem sending others to fight wars for him.
Trump is pretty vile and hateful. If given the opportunity, who know what he is capable of.
Siwsan
(26,289 posts)Honestly, the instant I read that topic line, he bewigged face popped into my mind. Is it too early to start drinking??
randome
(34,845 posts)Imagine the mayhem and dead dogs!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]
Siwsan
(26,289 posts)TeamPooka
(24,254 posts)brooklynite
(94,727 posts)...like his Election observer team?
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,198 posts)Which means....what? Pillows and hot towels as they bus you out after storming your home in the middle of the night?
randome
(34,845 posts)Well...
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]
Democat
(11,617 posts)Unless Trump is elected.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Really, fuck them all.
OnDoutside
(19,970 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)anamandujano
(7,004 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)and people, environment, everything.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Not similar even remotely.
OnDoutside
(19,970 posts)comparison. Trump has Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists flocking to his campaign, has demonized and plans to deport 12 million people, using deportation squads. It's a pretty good comparison.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Where on earth did you come up with that?
I despise Trump, but he is not Hitler.
Such a comparison is cheap and easy and not illustrative of reality.
OnDoutside
(19,970 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)But I guess most people don't know who that is.
OnDoutside
(19,970 posts)the fear. Anyway, Jean Marie is a busted flush, Marine is the 21st century face of French/European Fascism.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Hitler was the exact opposite.
This is just my opinion, but I don't think it's a valid comparison at all.
And if saying Trump is "not as bad as Hitler" counts as defending him, so be it.
There is a powerful strain of white nationalism in the US, unfortunately, that exists irrespective of Trump. To me, listening to the Breitbart types spew racism and hatred is what's really frightening.
Much like when Pat Buchanan had his little run (Although he, too, was smarter than Trump and actually had things he believed in, loathsome though they were).
OnDoutside
(19,970 posts)more skilful in carrying out his rabid thoughts, and again those similarities are striking. I don't think we should be afraid of making the comparison to Hitler when it's warranted. I think this is as clear an example as there has been in a while. I accept you don't agree, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)who even POSSIBLY looks at the orange turnip think he's anything but a fucking Nazi? "Humane Deportation Force" MY ASS!
OnDoutside
(19,970 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Hope he takes down the entire RW Senate & House with him in Nov.
This needs to be TV AD. History repeats itself
napkinz
(17,199 posts)MSNBC and CNN have spent most of the morning talking about her Emails
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)The pathological minds of the RW Cult and the sickness of those that believe.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)Trump's casinos? How can this possibly play as a good idea to even those who want every non-white-christian deported? They can't want to actually pay for it!
napkinz
(17,199 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)I know it's the "go to" analogy these days, but it's really not right.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)A critique that should chill all of us to the bone.
If Donald Trump becomes the next president of the U.S. it would be a complete disaster, author and Auschwitz survivor Eva Schloss states in a recent Newsweek op-ed marking International Holocaust Remembrance Day. Pointing to his promises to close the borders to Muslims and Mexicans, the 86-year-old Schloss, who is the stepsister of Anne Frank, sees disturbing parallels between the Republican frontrunner and a dangerous historical predecessor. I think he is acting like another Hitler by inciting racism, Schloss says. Fewer people would have died in the Holocaust if the world had accepted more Jewish refugees.
She is not the only Holocaust survivor who has observed Trumps ascendancy with fear and foreboding. With Dont stand by as the theme of this years observance of International Holocaust Remembrance Day, a number of survivors are speaking out about the ugliness of Trumps message and those who have embraced it. These words of warning come as multiple polls indicate Trump currently holds comfortable leads among GOP voters in Iowa, South Carolina and New Hampshire.
The guy scares me, Martin Weiss, an 87-year-old Auschwitz survivor who lost most of his family in the camp, told the Washington Post. I dont want to make any comparison to Hitler, but believe it or not his delivery and the way he conducts himself is very similar to Hitlers way of doing things. He discredits everybody who disagrees with him. Hes insulting. He discriminates against everybody.
Its really frightening, survivor Al Munzer told the newspaper. When you see these mass rallies that Trump is able to attract, you really wonder: How are they buying into this message of hate?
read more: http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/anne-franks-stepsister-trump-acting-hitler-other-holocaust-survivors-warn-historical
oberliner
(58,724 posts)My view is that it is not appropriate.
There are much more illustrative examples of candidates like Trump throughout history.
Le Pen comes to mind.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)I don't consider them just "a lot of folks."
oberliner
(58,724 posts)There are different views among them. Just like every other group. There are some who don't think the comparison is valid and some who do.
Have you read "Against All Odds: Holocaust Survivors and the Successful Lives They Made in America" ?
That book came out in the early 1990s and several of the Holocaust survivors interviewed compared Jesse Jackson to Hitler (a comparison I also don't think is valid).
VOX
(22,976 posts)Both Mussolini and Hitler came to power in ways not altogether dissimilar to Trump's (and the right wing's) method: turn citizens against one another; demonize an entire religion; threaten to deport "undesirables"; draw core support (and muscle) from the more insulated regions of the country; over-the-top nationalism; blatant racism, sexism and hate for LGBTQ individuals; rampant xenophobia; anti-science and anti intellectualism; claim that only one man can make *your country here* great again, etc.
The similarities are horrifying in their implication. And, just like those despots of the last century, one has no idea of just how dark things are going to be down the road while still in the early stages of bluster and fast talk.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Othering is a path only a small mind can walk.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)brooklynite
(94,727 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...and bikers--like he did to police the NRC. They like to dress in khaki and sunglasses, jeans and bullet proof vests. The modern survivalist look is what's "hip" among American fascists these days.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)will be the Stormtroopers in the TrumpenFührer's Amerika.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)madaboutharry
(40,220 posts)It is a term describing fascists.
moonscape
(4,673 posts)days ago of trying to make nice with Hispanics during that meeting photo-op?
Wow.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)A bunch of pot-bellied, loser white men, with no law enforcement training, clad in red hats, bashing down doors of suspected illegal immigrants?
Let me gently suggest that I think there would be outright violent resistance to that throughout the country.