Bernie has my heart but Hillary will get my vote

[Generic Other]

I am one of those who really wanted Bernie with all my heart, but I feel like I need to support HC now for the good of the country. She is undoubtedly the better choice compared to Trump. My hope is that she truly does mean to reach out to the left in a meaningful way as she clearly needs us. And that she will fight as hard for liberals and progressives as we will have to fight for her. I feel like I am compromising my principles by choosing to vote HC, but compromise is the nature of politics.

Every inch of ground she wins will be a battle over the trivial, the meanspirited, the intense propaganda machines set to destroy her. I don't know if I have the strength or will to fight, but I will do my best not to surrender to the racist, nasty, vile GOP candidate.

I think now that the question of her candidacy is settled, I have no choice but gird my loins and prepare for war on her behalf.

Many Sanders' supporters, including the senator himself, are slowly coming to this conclusion. Please try and be patient with us.

[apcalc]

1. It is a process, I understand.

Meanwhile, even if all she ever did was to veto some nutso R bill, that would be a win.

[Generic Other]

6. And she may be able to do much more

Supreme Court Judges. The environment. Women's rights. Things that matter.

I will still fight for more, but these are all better than what Trump offers.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. I hear you, my dear Generic Other, and I feel the same...

If she only does half of what she's promised, it will be enough.

Trump is a horror.

[Generic Other]

7. Thank you, Peggy

You are a kind soul!

[radical noodle]

3. Bernie understood how important it was

to elect her AND elect those who will support the Democratic positions. Without a great deal of support now and even after the election, she won't be able to accomplish anything that he wanted, because most of those things will be vigorously opposed by the Republicans in Congress. We must have one BIG voice to go in the right direction.

I'm so happy you see that and know that supporting HRC means supporting Bernie's ideals too.

[tallahasseedem]

4. I know that it is a process you and other Bernie supporters

will have to go through, but can't it be done on his board? This board is for talking about the election, not a therapy group for sad Bernie people.

[Red Knight]

8. Why?

Why post something like that in a POSITIVE post?

I swear some Clinton supporters come across as closet Trump supporters--looking to create division. This was nothing but a POSITIVE post and I was ready to post something positive right beneath it and you decide you HAVE to crap all over it for some reason.

Despite you, I am voting for Hillary because I KNOW Trump is a disaster.

But get over yourself.

[tallahasseedem]

9. Why?

Because there was a lot in that post that was Hillary bashing as well. I didn't say anything about that. I was only addressing the fact that they said it was going to take a while. No biggie, just don't work through it while we're trying to talk about election issues. If ya'll are still sad, the Bernie board is there for you.

[Red Knight]

20. There was no Hillary bashing in that post

You are seeing what you want to see.

And sorry--we aren't going anywhere.

Did you tell that to the Hillary people in 2008 when they started coming around to Obama?

You are part of the problem--not the solution.

Fortunately not every Hillary supporter on this board is of your "ilk".

[zonkers]

11. Some folks just can't help picking at a scab.

[Generic Other]

10. Thanks for being snarky

Does it make you feel better to try and chase away those who wish to join you? Are you helping HC win hearts? Why bother to post on my thread to chastise me once more? I backed my candidate until the convention. I lost.

Do you want more salt to rub in the wound? Or is it only a pound of my flesh that will suffice?

It is people like you who make it hard for me to want to fight for HC.

[tallahasseedem]

12. I might have been more accepting...

if your ilk didn't go and harass the people you did at the convention in the name of Bernie. It was rude. Now you expect us to put up with you putting down our candidate while working out your issues on a General Election board. No.

If you have specific questions about Hillary and what she is doing that gives you pause, please do ask and I'm sure you will get tons of responses. But anything else is considered off topics and should be taken to the Bernie board.

And rub salt in the wound? Pound of flesh? Oh, give me a break with the melodrama. No one was doing that. If you can't vote for HRC because someone on a message board wants to be able to talk election strategy without virtual heckling or jeering then thats your prerogative.

[Generic Other]

19. My ilk?

I am a lifelong Democrat and have voted straight ticket my whole life. I am a woman, a minority, a liberal, an advocate for peace, the environment, social justice. That is my ilk.

You are the sort of American and Democrat who makes America great. Build your walls. Enjoy your superiority.

[tallahasseedem]

22. I see your emotions are still raw over the Primary...

but attacking others on this board for not wanting to continue to have to deal with something that is over is not superiority. Name calling and personal attacks are expected from Trump supporters, not from fellow DUers. We had to deal with it during the convention, we shouldn't have to deal with it STILL here as well.

[Generic Other]

26. Okay then I won't vote in the election

Does that make you happier? Only the "pure" HC supporters are welcome.

[tallahasseedem]

31. You're just being ridiculous at this point

The fact that someone on a message board would get you so riled up as to not use your right as an American to vote is so beyond me. Nothing in this conversation talked about "pure HRC" supporters, etc. This is the end of the road for the two of us as you are spinning things that aren't being said. Best of luck to you.

[democrattotheend]

38. I don't think the post was all that critical of Hillary

The OP said he/she felt like he/she was compromising by voting for Hillary, but that's a given for any Bernie supporter. Probably even for some Hillary supporters. No candidate is perfect.

The OP expressed hope that Hillary will genuinely reach out to the left and govern as a progressive as promised. I don't see what in the post constituted an attack on her.

[athena]

27. This thread would have been locked there.

And the poster would have been banned from the group. Did you see the thread by the Bernie supporter who was banned from the Bernie forum for posting that s/he donated $27 to Hillary's campaign?

[MgtPA]

29. Not.Helpful.

OP: "Please try and be patient with us"
You: Fuck Off!

Not helpful at all.

[pnwmom]

40. tallahasseedem, I suggest you delete this post. You're better than this. n/t

[geek tragedy]

43. Unnecessarily churlish comment, imo nt

[athena]

5. Please read some in-depth articles about Hillary.

She is not the person she has been made out to be. No liberal should feel she is compromising her principles by voting for Hillary.

Here is a good one:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/hillary-clinton-wants-to-talk-to-you-about-love-and-kindness

And here is another article that puts everything into perspective. (Please try to get past the title; it is not a good indicator of the actual content of the article.)
https://www.thenation.com/article/can-hillary-clinton-win-over-the-left/

 Whatever Clinton says, some will remain unconvinced. But in attempting to court progressive voters, Clinton isn’t adopting new positions; rather, she’s coming full circle. “I think her progressive résumé and her progressive roots are very, very strong,” says Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky, a progressive stalwart who backed Barack Obama eight years ago but is now an enthusiastic Clinton supporter. “Not only has she decided to go back to her roots, but the time is different. This is a progressive moment, I believe.”

[Generic Other]

14. Thank you for this

I was impressed by her speech at the convention. Her accomplishments were highlighted in a way that made me take a fresh look.

She won the nomination. I believe Democrats need to give her our support.

[athena]

25. I understand and appreciate your position.

I've been a Hillary supporter since almost the beginning of this campaign, but since I had supported President Obama in 2008, I didn't know that much about Hillary in the beginning. After deciding to support her this time around, I read article after article that showed me how different Hillary is from her public image. So I honestly think that as you find out more about her, you will feel that you can vote for her with enthusiasm and pride rather than just a sense of doing the responsible thing.

[suffragette]

32. This endorsement from Jan Schakowsky is very powerful.

Thanks for highlighting it.

[Mellomugwump]

35. Not to mention

That once she conceded to Obama, she whole heartedly campaigned her heart out for Obama and once they got to the convention, her endorsement of him was so enthusiastic and genuine that I don't think anybody doubted it. I didn't get that from Bernie - every time they showed him in the audience, it looked like he'd rather be anywhere else, including during Hillary's speech. That was so disappointing. I'm also disappointed that he didn't publicly say that the people disrupting the convention didn't represent him.

I admire what he did, but he had nothing to lose by starting his revolution...I'm sorry if this seems negative to his supporters but it's past time to get over it and help get Hillary elected.

[athena]

36. I agree with you.

He did not look happy to be there. And he could have done more to get the loudest protesters to support Hillary and stop trying to disrupt the convention.

[Bluenorthwest]

42. The DNC issued apologies for treating Bernie poorly, that did not happen in 2008

This routine of apologizing then carrying on as if no one has the right to be cheesed off at DNC actions because they said sorry indicates that the apology was not authentic. The admission of wrong doing and apology can't be followed up by pretending none of that ever happened. That does not work. Amends must follow apology or it was not an apology.

[zenabby]

13. I think this post is very relevant to election

It shows how hearts and minds are won, and why and how one makes a decision to support one candidate and move to another. I am always fascinated by these posts, assuming ofcourse, we can talk about it. I welcome this post, Generic Other.

May I ask why you still feel that Hillary is not a good candidate? I get it that she is better than Trump, but what are your biggest concerns about her policies? I suspect TPP, War Hawk?

Then my question is do you think TPP is a black and white issue? Should we be for it or against it irrespective of the details? Is there any case where a trade agreement is good? What would make it good? This is a gentle balance between national and global good.

[Generic Other]

18. I will always complain about issues I feel passionate about

And yes, you have identified my issues, but I complained about Obama's stances on these too. Most Democratic leaders are right of me.

I think the thing I have been dreading most is the rightwing crap that we all will be forced to wade through each and every day in order to elect HC. Unfair, ugly, divisive, and ongoing. They are single minded in their hatred where she is concerned. Not her fault. Their delusional evil minds. But it takes a certain amount of strength to willingly engage in this battle. It will require endless patience, endurance, and sanity to fight what the GOP will throw at her. They will never stop. I fear I am too tired for that kind of struggle.

Anyway, thank you for trying to help me.

[Red Knight]

24. I'm with you.

I am a passionate Bernie supporter, but like Bernie himself--I am also pragmatic.

If the movement he started is going to go anywhere it is vitally important that we elect Hillary. If Donald Trump wins and changes the Supreme Court for the rest of my lifetime and does unimaginable damage(and believe me--Pence WILL be his Dick Cheney)in policy decisions or executive orders we will fall so far back it will be too late to address the things we care about.

You are doing the right thing--no matter what anyone tells you. You know that.

Don't let negative people bother you. They aren't worth your time. It's a great post.

[unitedwethrive]

15. You're a smart person, and a patriotic American

It's OK to still love Bernie (or Stein or Johnson, for that matter), but it takes an intelligent person to realize that votes have to be used strategically to affect change.

[Generic Other]

21. It will take unity to defeat the evil we face

I am not so smart, but I am always trying to learn!

[DemonGoddess]

16. I think that as time goes on

and you get to see and to know the Hillary that we all know, respect, and support and have for many years, you'll get the whys of that!

She's always BEEN a liberal. Never forget that.

[Generic Other]

23. I think she will be a great president

Hopefully better than many who have come before. Certainly better than ANY Republican.

[DemonGoddess]

28. I've always thought she'd be a great president

Given that she IS a woman, she's had to become hyper qualified to do anything of note. Things which others much LESS qualified would be allowed to do, without anyone even batting an eye.

[Kentonio]

17. Wholeheartedly agree with everything you said.

[DinahMoeHum]

30. You don't have to contribute $$$ to her campaign to help her.

In fact, at this point, any $$$ contributions you wish to make would be better spent on helping to elect down-ticket candidates (US Senate, US House, Governor, state seats, etc.)
As Hillary herself has said: she can't do this alone.

Tell your fellow Bernie supporters this. They can go to the following sites as well

https://secure.actblue.com/
http://www.pdamerica.org/
https://www.democracyforamerica.com/

[Generic Other]

34. Thank you

I could not help but feel the emotions of women when HC spoke. This moment more than any touched my heart. I DO want to see a woman in the White House. This is something to be happy about and to fight for.

[suffragette]

33. You've expressed well what I also feel.

Thank you for this.

[democrattotheend]

37. Same here

To be honest, I am starting to get excited about voting for her. She is obviously not as liberal as Bernie or as independent of corporate interests, but I do believe that she cares about people, and I think she is a lot more liberal than her husband. She was often the person within the Clinton Administration that progressive groups went to when they didn't like a bill that he was going to sign and she usually took their side and did what she could. So I am prepared to give her a chance, and at the very least, I am excited about casting my vote for the first woman president in our history.

As much as I wanted Bernie to be the nominee, I have thought of a few upsides of Hillary winning:
1. With all of the recent terrorism incidents, I would be a little worried about whether Bernie could convince people that he could keep us safe, since he has never really focused on security or military issues
2. Because Bernie was such an outsider, this could have been like 1972 in one sense: from what I understand, McGovern got very little support from the party establishment once he won the nomination. I was afraid something like that would happen with Bernie if he won the nomination.
3. Most importantly, if he had become president, since he is probably the most liberal member of the Senate and more liberal than 98% of the house, Bernie would have had to break our hearts by compromising or be completely ineffective. With Hillary, I won't get heartbroken because I haven't put her up on a pedestal to begin with and won't have unrealistic expectations.

[Generic Other]

39. I do embrace the idea of seeing a woman elected president

If we stand united, we can defeat Trump in November.

[LostOne4Ever]

41. K&R I am another Bernie supporter who is going to do all I can to help Clinton beat Trump! Nt