Bernie owns this. These are not random protestors, they are delegates who

[DanTex]

were admitted to the convention under the guise of being Bernie supporters. It's looking like a lot of them are actually Trump supporters or just all-around anarchists, but Bernie's campaign chose them and let them into the convention. It's his campaign's responsibility to screen delegates, and he obviously didn't do an adequate job of that.

Now it's his responsibility to get these people who came in under his umbrella under control. He better have a hell of a speech up his sleeve.

[treestar]

1. Yes, I thought the protests would be outside

not the actual delegates! Bad choices.

[DLCWIdem]

112. +1000.

I have been posting these are not just supporters they are delegates. Should have been vetted. Just like Bernie.

[Dawson Leery]

2. kick

[revbones]

3. That's the go-to response then huh?

Unhappy protestors must be Trump supporters. They can't be true Scotsmen, er I mean Democrats. rofl

[pangaia]

34. They did in 1789.

Now, now, before you get your gander up....
just sayin', for old times sake...

[DanTex]

8. Or Greens or some other variety of nutcase. Either way, Bernie made a mistake by

not screening his delegates. These are not people of sound mind, they just like making noise. He's gonna try to talk sense into them tonight. Let's see what happens.

[revbones]

11. Guess they have to be something 'other'

if they don't behave exactly the way you want and expect them to... Can't be anything else at all.

[DanTex]

15. They are something other. Certainly not Democrats.

People who say that they are considering voting for Trump are certainly an "other" to me. Not sure where you stand on a Trump presidency, but Bernie and I stand in exactly the same place, and it's not where those booing delegates are standing.

[revbones]

19. Sure

Guess that's one way to look at it. The no true Scotsman fallacy won't get you far in life though. But if it helps you, so be it.

[DanTex]

23. These aren't Scotsman. They are ducks.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

[revbones]

24. Lol, whatever it takes

But to say Bernie owns it and you're in the same spot as Bernie is a tad weird. Not sure you can have it both ways.

[DanTex]

26. Of course Bernie owns it. He brought the ducks into our home.

[revbones]

33. "our home" rofl. Nice. nt

[DanTex]

37. Why is that funny?

[DanTex]

46. Trump supporters are free to register their displeasure. And I am free to insult them.

And, yes, these people are conspiracy theorists. I never expected them to suck anything up joyfully. Green Party types aren't joyful. They like to whine and protest. That's probably why they never accomplish anything, if they did they might have to stop whining and protesting and talking about conspiracy theories.

[revbones]

49. rofl

I can't imagine what it must be like to think something is wrong with everyone that doesn't believe as you do, or act the way you think they should.

I've always thought that when it looks like everyone else is wrong, it might be time for some re-evaluation. But hey, to each their own.

[billhicks76]

95. Your Posts Should Be Banned

You're just instigating. Calling the other primary candidates and their voters Trump supporters??? Stop trying to relive the primary and suck it up and campaign for Hillary. Protests weren't unexpected. Have you not paid attention to all the drama which you are now fueling? You say you're a democrat so please act like a good one and stop with all the negativity. How fragile are you?

[bettyellen]

96. Some have claimed in interviews they are voting for Trump....

Hopefull their credentials were pulled for being asshole republican disrupters.

[billhicks76]

101. Anecdotal Just Like Voter Fraud

One in 10,000. But you allow yourself to be manipulated by the media? Because they interviewed one or two crazy people? You're smarter than that I assume.

[bettyellen]

102. They were inside the convention and disrupting.

[billhicks76]

106. So What. A Lot Of People Are

You do realize how many people are there right? One crazy person saying they hate what Clinton did to them so much they may vote for Trump is still not statistically significant so stop crying that the sky is falling. We will never win Trump supporters. And we will never lose because liberals switch over. It's Politics 101 that the country is evenly divided ideologically and that we have the upper hand with executive elections that exist outside gerrymandering as long as we motivate turnout of our base. Many people are fed up so attacking the left wing is actually not helping.

[DLCWIdem]

114. being interviewed on t.v. is now anecdotal?

[billhicks76]

117. Yes...It's Not Statistically Valid

There are tons of crazy people at both conventions that don't reflect the whole. You really believe any Democrat would vote Trump?

[DanTex]

104. I didn't call other primary candidates anything.

I'm talking about the people who are shouting down Elijah Cummings and other great progressives speaking at the convention, and then telling MSNBC interviewers that they might vote for Trump but won't vote for Hillary. What term would you prefer for such people besides "Trump supporter"?

I'm not reliving the primary, the primary is over. I'm living the convention, and talking about events that happened in the last few hours.

[billhicks76]

105. You Can Paint It However You Like

[DanTex]

107. No paint, just the truth. You made a false accusation about me.

[billhicks76]

109. No I Didn't

And you are not helping getting Hillary elected. It doesn't matter if you're intentionally doing it or just ignorant. We are trying to get Hillary elected while you hog online space to air your personal diatribes. I don't support the floor protest either but I'm not in control of it and I won't whine endlessly about it and try to play the race card and call Democrats racists and Trumpers which you did in your last prolific thread and here. I can tell your not the type to admit when you're wrong but you need to show people your not smug or bitter especially having won the primary. It's republicans that think they don't need anyone to vote for them that is not in lockstep with their philosophy. You don't need to win over long time Clinton supporters. You need to win over others. Unless your ego supersedes your desire for Democrats to win.

[DanTex]

110. You certainly did.

"Calling the other primary candidates and their voters Trump supporters."

I didn't call other primary candidates anything, certainly not a Trump supporter.

And I welcome the big tent party. I'm glad that Mike Bloomberg will be endorsing Hillary, that will really help getting swing voters and moderates. As for the spoiled teenagers who shouted down Elijah Cummings and booed Nancy Pelosi, and tell MSNBC that they won't vote for Hillary, we don't need those people at our convention.

[billhicks76]

116. I Think Bernie Or Bust Is Beyond Stupid

Most people do. I would be shocked if what they are saying on the news is true that the majority of people booed. Im at work and haven't tuned in yet. I'll take Bloombergs endorsement but you must realize by now that we already have moderates and that we need the base to show up. Republicans arent swing voters and the distrust of Hillary they have wont change and probably wont with independents who typically dont like insiders anyway. Our only hope being down 7% to Trump right now is to shore up the base. Are you disputing that? Selecting Bernie as VP wouldve fixed everything so Im surprised Hillary didnt overrule her campaign donors on this. Next wouldve been Warren and after that Sherrod Brown in my opinion. Fine...pick Kaine...but better do something else then to bring out the voters...the base...the base doesnt mean politically active or involved...its just the demographic that is liberal. Many poor and minority and young people are that demographic and often arent as motivated as older, white voters.

[kcr]

120. It was on tv. People can actually see it.

No one need to paint it up as anything.

[Demsrule86]

18. Walking around the convention telling reporters that they won't vote for Hillary

helps Trump. They should be tossed out and subs used to replace them if they continue to behave this way.

[auntpurl]

30. They're sure as hell not Democrats.

Bernie delegates interviewed on MSNBC who say they will NEVER vote for Hillary, she belongs in prison, they're voting for Trump. In front of the nation. Bernie delegates chanting LOCK HER UP. The same incoherent violent rage we watched all last week at the RNC. Expressed with the SAME PHRASE.

Fuck these people. They are actively working for Trump. They must be the most selfish people on earth. The whole country and the whole world will suffer under Trump.

[revbones]

31. Can't be unless they do exactly what you want huh? Nice. nt

[dsc]

54. they are saying they will vote for the opponent

they are saying they are voting to send hispanics to mexico, they are voting to send gay kids to reparative therapy, they are voting to put three scalia clones on the supreme court. they don't belong in that hall.

[revbones]

65. I think you're making some assumptions with all that.

Also, I'm not sure their Democratic party registration gets voided if they fail to vote for a specific candidate.

[dsc]

70. that is what Trump has said he will do

his very first appointee agrees with him on the gays. They claim he is honest and that is why they are voting for him can't have it both ways.

[revbones]

74. Yes, but

you said "they are saying they are voting to..." which you are assuming in order to paint people that don't agree with you as something probably worse than they are.

[dsc]

76. voting for Trump is voting for those things

it doesn't get clearer than that.

[revbones]

82. I'm sure you believe that.

I'm also sure those people don't.

[JTFrog]

118. Do not feed.....

Just saying....

[Renew Deal]

42. Open primaries leads to open delegates

[Haveadream]

62. +1

There you have it! These people are not Democrats. They have no perspective or sense of history. And, from the looks of most of those booing, they are barely of legal voting age. They don't get it. Yes, there are *some* who are older but the vast majority clearly have no understanding of the dangerous edge they are forcing the entirety of the nation to skate. They aren't even listening. They "boo" when speakers make remarks about civil rights??!! They don't boo Trump??!!!

WTH.

[lancer78]

88. Just privileged white youth

who have never suffered a day in their lives and who are more worried about GMO's than the dismantling of NATO.

[Maven]

13. On that note, I sincerely hope he uses his speech to make the case FOR HILLARY

Not just all the reasons to be against Trump.

Not a whole speech about how many votes he got and his revolution and all the concessions to him in the platform and then at the end "oh by the way, vote for Hillary because she's not Trump"

He needs to make the strong case for Hillary from the left. That is how he can make things right.

[Maven]

17. Agree 100%.

[Demsrule86]

20. He is doing what he can.

But it was clear what sort of supporters these were... it could have been handled better.

[comradebillyboy]

84. He did his best to create this monster and his

pathetic attempts to quell it are too little too late. Bernie and his campaign stoked this hatred for months and this result is not the least bit surprising.

[MFM008]

5. I would have their passes by the time

They go prime time tonight.
They would be GONE.
Let them protest outside.

[Johnny2X2X]

6. Agree

He needed to do more to help ease his supporter's concerns. His endorsement has been little better than Luke warm. He needs to get into the floor and talk personally to each of his delegates and ask them to leave and they can't support the candidate he does.

[Paladin]

9. +1000.

Yeah, Bernie better come up with something better than that anemic endorsement of Clinton/Kaine he issued earlier today. Way past time to set aside differences and mobilize against Trump, the most dangerous presidential candidate in this country's history.

[Powdered Toast Man]

10. We all needed to do more

To improve the discussion so that it did NOT come to this point.

[John Poet]

12. Most delegates get themselves elected to the position,

through the delegate-selection process in the states where they reside. The campaign doesn't get to "pick" who gets to run for the positions... at least nowhere that I know about.

And what you are saying about them being actually Trump supporters violates the TOS here, about "divisive group attacks". I suggest you modify, or just delete this post. It's not going to help matters any.

[DanTex]

22. When MSNBC interviews them and they say they won't vote Hillary and might vote Trump,

what am I supposed to call them?

[Andy823]

89. I heard one on MSNBC on the car radio

She trashed Hillary, said Trump would be better, and said that a lot of "us" who are NOT Democrats are voting green party. Since it was on the radio, I don't know if it was inside or outside, but a hell of a lot of them are not Democrats if you ask me.

[skylucy]

14. I agree. These people are horrible. Who are these crazies? How did they

get to be delegates? I am heartsick. Hillary made all those concessions to Sanders so that THIS could happen. I am sick to my stomach. They don't care if Trump is elected. They are hateful and disrespectful.

[BobbyDrake]

21. Isn't each campaign responsible for submitting the list of delegate candidates?

The ones that are chosen to represent to votes of the states at all the subsequent primary events? And these are his hand-picked ambassadors for progressivism.

If he didn't have an ulcer, he just might end up with one after this display of childishness on his behalf.

[geek tragedy]

25. like naming Cornel West to the platform committee nt

[trueblue2007]

27. You should have denounced this Antii-Hillary activity weeks ago. You should have conceded WEEKS AGO

to Bernie: YOU KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN. Did you think you could steal the election ? You think your delegates (thug people) could steal the nomination from Hillary ?? I though you were better than that Bernie.
I'm disgusted with you and I can't believe you allowed this to happen Bernie. You should have denounced this Antii-Hillary activity weeks ago. You should have conceded WEEKS AGO BERNIE. This is on your head Bernie.

Now, i'm afraid i hate bernie's guts.

[think]

28. Good grief. /nt

[still_one]

29. I think they are starting to calm down now, and the messages of the speakers may be sinking in

[DisgustipatedinCA]

32. He'd better have a good speech? Or what, Dan? What do you propose to do?

[coco77]

35. Why? Is it because he ran for President..

and didn't just let Hillary have it.

[NanceGreggs]

47. Because he fomented anger ...

... against the Party, against the DNC, against Hillary, against any individual or organization who endorsed HRC over him.

He established an "us v them" mentality from the outset, and drove that idea home at every opportunity. He told his supporters that he was "taking the fight to the Convention floor". He told them that he would convince the SDs to ignore the will of the voters and hand him the nomination.

He continued to ask for donations because he could "still win this thing" long after he knew he couldn't.

He watched as his supporters screamed fraud, vote rigging, "stolen election" - and stood by in silence as they did so.

THAT'S why.

[coco77]

66. I am a Bernie supporter

Bernie cannot dictate to me about if I vote for Hillary or not. I and many other no full well what was/is at stake this time I am not going to go along to get along I will decide later. I don't like the fact that Hillary lovers think they can demand that we vote her or else. The only people whose lives seem to get better seem to be congress,senate ,talking heads the media and friends and family. I think they are more worried about themselves. Let's win and go back to the same thing and every thing will be alright. In the end I will vote but,I have numerous friends and family who always vote who don't give a damn anymore. Some say let Trump have it. Some don't like either, and say nothing gets better for them.

[NanceGreggs]

69. Which has nothing to do ...

... with what I just posted.

[coco77]

71. I didn't need any help from Bernie..

I and many othetrs have been angry about all of these people and organizations for a long time. The democratic party can't feel its people. It is rigged . read any emails lately?

[NanceGreggs]

72. Thanks for making my point.

"It's rigged!"

If you, or Bernie himself, are shocked (!) that DNC staffers and Dem Party members were, shall we say, "less than enamoured" of the man who was calling them corrupt, you're obviously too naive for politics.

It is a DNC rule that all candidates be treated fairly. There is NO rule anywhere that requires them to hold no personal opinion of the candidates they are dealing with.

[coco77]

77. And if you think we should be enamoured

Jump on board with a candidate who thought she was entitled you have another thing coming. DNC rules to treat everyone fairly well then what was DWS doing . After reading those emails Bernie told the truth about those staffers.

[NanceGreggs]

80. And what "truth" was that?

That he was disliked by the people he was demeaning? Shouldn't he have been smart enough to see that coming?

[coco77]

81. This should have not been personal

DWS was still angry because Hillary lost to Obama and she was determined to make sure Hillary was the nominee no matter what. I wanted to hear more from O'Malley. Some things can t be proven because DWS control who did what and where the money flowed.

[NanceGreggs]

90. I didn't realize ...

... that you know what DWS has been thinking for the past eight years.

"Some things can t be proven because DWS control who did what and where the money flowed." More to the point, some things can't be proven because they never happened.

There's another site where these conspiracy theories are welcome. You might want to join the discussion there.

You'll recognize it the minute you see it. It's the site where they're still talking about how the SDs are going to hand Bernie the nomination after Bernie produces the "evidence" that the primary was rigged. According to them, he'll be doing that during his speech on the Convention floor - unless he uses his speaking time to announce that he's running on the Green ticket.

[NBachers]

99. Thank you, Nance

[Lord Magus]

75. That's precisely the issue.

This fact-free insistence that "it is rigged" because your candidate lost.

[coco77]

78. My point

And others he many states may not have been lost if DWS wasn't rigging debates and who knows what else,more emailed to come.

[Lord Magus]

79. Your "point" is completely without a basis in reality.

This was not a close race. Hillary won in a landslide. And nothing was "rigged."

[NanceGreggs]

111. Enlighten us.

Explain how DWS "rigged the debates".

And "who knows what else"? Well, there's some solid evidence of wrongdoing.

[Recursion]

83. Because he used simplistic demagogic bromides when he ran (nt)

[coco77]

86. Because he had the nerve to run at all.

[emulatorloo]

36. No this is not on Bernie.

It is on the people doing it.

[DanTex]

38. He brought them in to our convention.

[emulatorloo]

41. Elected at state conventions

As far as I'm concerned they've gone rogue. Bernie's texted them to stop this behavior. I for one will not be surprised if they boo Bernie tonight.

[DanTex]

44. Doesn't Bernie have some say over who his delegates are? Doesn't the campaign have

to approve or something? Otherwise what makes a Bernie delegate different from a Hillary delegate?

[longship]

64. Nope, it is the state party who decides who goes and who obtains credentials.

Specifically, during the state convention.

The candidate, or the campaign has no say whatsoever.

[radical noodle]

39. We sure didn't see this crap in 2008

Hilllary shot down any supporters of hers so they wouldn't disrupt like this.

I am also gonna say that Bernie's supporters got a lot given to them to try to win them over so no one has a right to say they didn't try to do things to get Bernie supporters on board.

[pnwmom]

40. Elijah Cummings did a better job getting people to listen than Bernie did. What a great speech. n/t

[B Calm]

43. Hillary should have done more to unite the party. Her VP selection, etc.

[OnDoutside]

51. No, you'll NEVER satisfy those knuckleheads. This is about beating Trump, not placating them.

[B Calm]

53. Calling them knuckleheads is gonna help.

[OnDoutside]

60. Yeah knuckleheads is giving them too much credit. F**kwits is better.

[uponit7771]

52. Like what? tia

[B Calm]

55. Senator Warren for VP would have done it.

[uponit7771]

56. So you're still under the impression these people aren't just assholes?

[B Calm]

58. Calling fellow democrats assholes won't help either!

[uponit7771]

59. ... and you're under the impression that these people are democrats too? tia I'm asking honestly,...

... booing the name of Hillary Clinton at the dem convention is straight up ass hole.

[B Calm]

63. Delegates have to be registered democrats for at least two years.

[auntpurl]

92. Not from open primaries they don't.

[B Calm]

108. Democratic Delegate Selection Rules

https://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/237924369/2016-Democratic-Delegate-Selection-Rules

[PragmaticLiberal]

93. You're making the assumption that many of these people are "fellow Democrats".

[treestar]

67. No it wouldn't have

Nothing would. They'd be booing her too.

[B Calm]

68. Well we'll never know now, she selected someone else.

[Lord Magus]

73. I doubt Senator Warren wanted the job.

She's exactly where she can do the most good already.

[B Calm]

85. We'll never know.

[DanTex]

57. Her VP selection was great. The booing delegates simply don't believe in democracy.

They want superdelegates to overturn the votes of people like me to install Bernie by decree.

[obamanut2012]

48. I agree -- we are seeing the reaping of what was sown

[RonniePudding]

50. They are the Sons of the Harpy from GOT

[AliceSsquare]

61. America at it's stupidest 2016

Bernie is the parent who just let his kids run around smearing their shit all over everything and leaving it up to everyone else to reprimand them.
And jill stein elects dictators, the end. I don't have any idea of what the green party's role is but to elect trump, bush, etc. if nobody understands this basic math, then we're fucked.

[DCBob]

87. I blame Bernie for this. He should have dropped out months ago.. this would not have happened.

He stoked the flames right up to the end misleading his followers that he could still win. The pain of losing is still too fresh.

Damn shame. This could have been a fabulous convention with a huge bounce for our nominee. Now who knows how this will go.

[riversedge]

100. I read this morning that Bernie was surprised when he got booed earlier. There are some who do

not trust him anymore. But he did create them.

[Buns_of_Fire]

91. ...and here I thought this convention was gonna be a little boring. nt

[spooky3]

94. This, Too, Shall Pass.

Let's keep our eyes on the prize.

[Omaha Steve]

97. Do you know the fights that broke out at state conventions in 08?

Obama had to have your application weeks in advance to be a delegate. They looked you over and selected from that. He provided a list of those he wanted elected as delegates. All hell broke lose on the floor. Many attendees didn't know and apply. The backlash meant several of the delegates he wanted didn't get elected. I was there.

I was one that didn't know BTW: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3387867

I'm going to the Nebraska State Democratic Convention!

I'll be an Obama delegate on the state level(and on to Denver IF elected). I'm still in the race for State Central Committee too. Odds are against me getting to Denver, but my friends in labor will be horse trading on my behalf. This is my second trip to the state convention.


Today's poor poll numbers for Hillary were taken BEFORE the convention started.

[Android3.14]

98. Only the weak blame the messenger

Make no mistake, this is at the feet of the DNC leadership. If they had supported the democratic process rather than trying to destroy it, this email scandal would not exist.

The DNC's awful decisions and the enabling behavior of many Democrats who permited this have brought a Trump presidency closer than ever.

You better pray Clinton's hands are clean, because if there is a link to her campaign from the DNC, it will come out and you better hope she can lead, because if she cannot unite the party, she will be remembered not as the first woman President, but as the person who failed to stop Trump.

[billhicks76]

103. I'm Trying To Get Hillary Elected

And you are not helping. You don't need to voice off about everything. We get it. Time to unify.

[Arazi]

113. Actually blame the state parties, that's who selects delegates

[Gothmog]

119. Agreed