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LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:40 AM Jul 2016

There is a compromise amendment to get rid of 2/3 of superdelegates

From Josh Fox @joshfoxfilm

https://twitter.com/joshfoxfilm/status/756999090689417216

There is a unity amendment in front of the rules committee which would establish a commission that could abolish 2/3rd of Super Dels. #dnc


Those remaining would be elected officials.
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There is a compromise amendment to get rid of 2/3 of superdelegates (Original Post) LongTomH Jul 2016 OP
FUCK NO!!!!! MohRokTah Jul 2016 #1
And could have been a super delegate if he had been more generous. merrily Jul 2016 #3
Or, you know, people who have worked for the Party... moriah Jul 2016 #7
The only change I would make is that be unable to endorse any candidate until yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #10
Obama sure overcame it in 2008. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #12
Had superdelegates not changed their minds, he may not have. yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #13
You misremember. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #15
I definitely am mistaken then. Thank you for the important facts yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #17
Because one candidate over how many years lost the primary? Don't think so. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #2
No, because it's undemocratic. I've criticized the institution since I learned of its existence, merrily Jul 2016 #4
However a political party is not a democracy. Never has been. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #5
A political Party with plunging turnout needs to ask itself why that is and act accordingly. Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #8
Right wing anti-government propaganda pushing Hortensis Jul 2016 #19
+1000 Bernie did win, at least, 45% of the votes in this primary. LongTomH Jul 2016 #20
It has been repeated ad nauseam that he did not win the primary MichiganVote Jul 2016 #21
Each state needs to move to closed Democratic primaries (the Sanders Rule). yallerdawg Jul 2016 #6
My State has a closed Primary, Bernie won it and all I hear on DU is that this State is not Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #9
So let's just please you. yallerdawg Jul 2016 #11
Definitely we should have CLosed primaries. Be involved enough to join and work for a party OR glennward Jul 2016 #14
+1,000. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #18
Cool bigwillq Jul 2016 #16

merrily

(45,251 posts)
3. And could have been a super delegate if he had been more generous.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:51 AM
Jul 2016

The slot is a reward to large donors--as if they don't already buy enough influence.

Personally, I prefer democracy to the plutonomy.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
7. Or, you know, people who have worked for the Party...
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:01 AM
Jul 2016
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lottie_Shackelford

One of Arkansas's SDs. Yes, as her personal finances grew she donated more, but it was her dedication, not her money, that got her spot.
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
10. The only change I would make is that be unable to endorse any candidate until
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:07 AM
Jul 2016

The convention. Starting with 400 delegates is a tough road to over come for challengers.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
4. No, because it's undemocratic. I've criticized the institution since I learned of its existence,
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:52 AM
Jul 2016

years before Bernie ran for the POTUS nom.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
8. A political Party with plunging turnout needs to ask itself why that is and act accordingly.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:01 AM
Jul 2016

Voters do not have to take part and anyone who can read knows that most Americans are already making that choice. I'd say that telling voters elections are not democracy is exactly the sort of thing that encourages people to avoid participation, why would they bother when those inside the system announce openly that it is not democratic and is in fact rigged?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. Right wing anti-government propaganda pushing
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:52 AM
Jul 2016

the message that it's all corrupt is the biggest reason for plunging turnout for both parties.

Imo, making being elected to office by citizens a qualification for being a superdelegate would be a big democratizing move. Not direct democracy, of course, and parties are NOT democracies, but that way no one who had never actually been approved by voters could be a superdelegate.

The 2/3 is a question. The number, perhaps combined with other safeguards, needs to be sufficient to have some reasonable chance of blocking a toxic candidacy.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
20. +1000 Bernie did win, at least, 45% of the votes in this primary.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:54 AM
Jul 2016

In a close election, you should not alienate a major portion portion of your electorate.

 

MichiganVote

(21,086 posts)
21. It has been repeated ad nauseam that he did not win the primary
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 12:16 PM
Jul 2016

and that it was not because of the super delegate vote alone. That was not because of bias, that was because people did vote for another candidate. You can argue this forever but so far as I am aware, over 90% of dem. voters now intend to vote for the Clinton/Kaine ticket. That percent is inclusive of so called 'Bernie supporters'.

What you seem to want is a one vote system. However I don't believe that the Sanders group, if in fact that's who they are, will get it.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
6. Each state needs to move to closed Democratic primaries (the Sanders Rule).
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:59 AM
Jul 2016

One function of party faithful superdelegates was to help offset possible independent and crossover Republican disruption in our party primaries and caucuses.

They have never been needed, and have always voted for the Democratic nominee out of the popular national vote/bound delegates.

Making all delegates bound by open popular vote would be the end of the Democratic Party. Which has a lot of support - from independents and Republicans.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
9. My State has a closed Primary, Bernie won it and all I hear on DU is that this State is not
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:04 AM
Jul 2016

'Real Democrats' because we voted for Bernie. They say this repeatedly. About millions of Democrats. So closed primaries do not please those who are just upset that other people vote differently than they do.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
11. So let's just please you.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:09 AM
Jul 2016

My state has open primaries, and we picked Hillary in a landslide.

What I'm talking about is the purpose of superdelegates.

 

glennward

(989 posts)
14. Definitely we should have CLosed primaries. Be involved enough to join and work for a party OR
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jul 2016

sit on the sidelines and whine.

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