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applegrove

(118,642 posts)
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 10:00 PM Jul 2016

New Poll Shows Hillary Clinton With a 13-Point Lead Over Donald Trump

New Poll Shows Hillary Clinton With a 13-Point Lead Over Donald Trump

by Melissa Chan at Time

http://time.com/4403680/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-poll-13-points/

"SNIP...........


Clinton leads Trump by 46% to 33%


Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has a 13-point lead over presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump, according to a new poll released Tuesday.

The former Secretary of State is ahead of Trump by 46% to 33% among likely voters, a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll shows. Another 21% did not support either candidate.

The poll, which surveyed 1,146 likely voters in the country between July 8 and July 12, also found that half of likely voters now say they have a favorable view of Clinton. That’s compared to the roughly 60% of people polled who say they have an unfavorable view of Trump, according to Reuters. The poll is notable because it comes after the FBI criticized Hillary Clinton’s email practices while secretary of state, but declined to recommend criminal charges against her.


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New Poll Shows Hillary Clinton With a 13-Point Lead Over Donald Trump (Original Post) applegrove Jul 2016 OP
Great news! I wonder why the Reuters polls have such a big disparity BlueNoMatterWho Jul 2016 #1
Party ID samples are meaningless Johnny2X2X Jul 2016 #2
Why do you try to debunk any poll with Hillary ahead? Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #11
I've been noticing that BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #21
It makes a difference. If you sample 20% more Democrats Clinton will have a double digit lead. BlueNoMatterWho Jul 2016 #3
I think you're misunderstanding Johnny2X2X Jul 2016 #4
Exactly. woolldog Jul 2016 #5
Let's see - you already have two leftynyc Jul 2016 #15
That's more like it. Hekate Jul 2016 #6
Still not enough for me... tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #7
The fact that it ISN'T more of a blow-out is concerning, IMHO. nt Laffy Kat Jul 2016 #8
This morning ABC is trumpeting a Trump lead spinbaby Jul 2016 #10
He has a lead in some state polls leftynyc Jul 2016 #16
I see no polls where Trump leads except for Rasmussen, which overweights Rethugs, what poll is ABC AntiBank Jul 2016 #17
I hear you... tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #18
I agree with you... tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #19
I want a 40-state landslide (400+ electoral votes) CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #9
Those are the things dreams are made of... tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #20
tallahasseedem—They used to happen a lot CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #22
Kick this for Trump's little internet buddies. Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #12
It's July, before both Conventions, VP picks and the First Debate.....it's early. OnDoutside Jul 2016 #13
Exactly right. BlueNoMatterWho Jul 2016 #14
I don't get this at all greymattermom Jul 2016 #23
Someone pointed out that in the Quinnipiac poll it was assumed applegrove Jul 2016 #24
K&R AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #25
 

BlueNoMatterWho

(880 posts)
1. Great news! I wonder why the Reuters polls have such a big disparity
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jul 2016

between them and most other polls? I believe it's an online poll but can anyone find the party ID samples? I couldn't in the link. Maybe that's the reason it always seems to be such an outlier. Sort of like any Rasmussen poll. lol

Johnny2X2X

(19,063 posts)
2. Party ID samples are meaningless
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 10:46 PM
Jul 2016

That's a red herring argument. The sample for party simply reflects the % across the country, and there are a lot more Dems than Teps in this country. After all, how would you know how many Dems and reps there were? You'd poll a sample of people.

This poll is a phone poll sampling likely voters across the country. They sampled 1146 likely voters.

 

BlueNoMatterWho

(880 posts)
3. It makes a difference. If you sample 20% more Democrats Clinton will have a double digit lead.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 10:53 PM
Jul 2016

And vice versa. Likely voters means next to nothing without the party ID sampled.

Johnny2X2X

(19,063 posts)
4. I think you're misunderstanding
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:28 PM
Jul 2016

First of all there are about 33% more Dems than Reps in the country(40 Miillion to 30 Million in some studies). But that doesn't even matter when you're picking a random sample. If you poll 1146 likely voters randomly, you're going to get an accurate representation of both parties as long as you picked them randomly. If you happened to ask party affiliation you could use those answers to accurately make a prediction about the %s of Dems and Reps in the country.

It's the same thing if you also asked eye color in the poll, if it was a random sample of likely voters you'd get a pretty good representation of the eye color of likely voters.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
15. Let's see - you already have two
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:48 AM
Jul 2016

comments (out of the first three posted) crapping all over this poll and pretending you don't know there are far more Democrats than cons in the country. Just who do you think you're fooling?

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
7. Still not enough for me...
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:31 AM
Jul 2016

I want this to be an embarrassment of epic proportions for that idiot. Plus, higher numbers help our down ballots!

spinbaby

(15,090 posts)
10. This morning ABC is trumpeting a Trump lead
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:25 AM
Jul 2016

Face it, the race is closer than many here would admit and the MSM is not on our side.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
16. He has a lead in some state polls
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:49 AM
Jul 2016

but only the discredited rass has him ahead in national polls so I'm not sure what ABC is talking about.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
17. I see no polls where Trump leads except for Rasmussen, which overweights Rethugs, what poll is ABC
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 07:51 AM
Jul 2016

talking about?

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
18. I hear you...
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:11 AM
Jul 2016

I always torture myself by turning into Morning Joe for a few to gauge how corrupt the media is going to be that day. Joke was stating that Hillary's 14pt lead in Florida vanished and that she is behind in Iowa and a couple of other battleground states. I'm not sure what poll he was referencing though.

That entire lineup is a joke. His sudden turn back to Trump after his three week rant against him is a joke. Halperin is an ass and Wallace has absolutely no credibility after consistently propping up Palin KNOWING she was grossly unqualified.

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
19. I agree with you...
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:13 AM
Jul 2016

but I tend to keep myself (somewhat) sane by reminding myself that most of the electorate doesn't even start paying attention until September. As a political junkie and someone who actually gives a shit about what goes on in this country, that nugget of information irritates the hell out of me.

 

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
9. I want a 40-state landslide (400+ electoral votes)
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:06 AM
Jul 2016

I want to have fun guessing which state gives Donald Trump his best margin. (I’m thinking West Virginia.)

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
20. Those are the things dreams are made of...
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 09:14 AM
Jul 2016

I would LOVE to see a Reagan/Mondale electoral map this season!

 

CobaltBlue

(1,122 posts)
22. tallahasseedem—They used to happen a lot
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:14 PM
Jul 2016

Winning 80 (or more) percent of participating states used to happen a lot.

During the 20th century, of 25 presidential election cycles, it happened 11 times: 1912, 1928, 1932, 1936, 1952, 1956, 1964, 1972, 1980, 1984, and 1988.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
23. I don't get this at all
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:08 PM
Jul 2016

How can polls be so opposite? The outcome of a poll is known, the accuracy isn't. Are they reporting different polls?

applegrove

(118,642 posts)
24. Someone pointed out that in the Quinnipiac poll it was assumed
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:14 PM
Jul 2016

that whites would vote more than usual, and Latinos not. I very much believe Latinos will show up in huge numbers.

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