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Related: About this forumNew Poll Shows Hillary Clinton With a 13-Point Lead Over Donald Trump
New Poll Shows Hillary Clinton With a 13-Point Lead Over Donald Trumpby Melissa Chan at Time
http://time.com/4403680/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-poll-13-points/
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Clinton leads Trump by 46% to 33%
Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has a 13-point lead over presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump, according to a new poll released Tuesday.
The former Secretary of State is ahead of Trump by 46% to 33% among likely voters, a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll shows. Another 21% did not support either candidate.
The poll, which surveyed 1,146 likely voters in the country between July 8 and July 12, also found that half of likely voters now say they have a favorable view of Clinton. Thats compared to the roughly 60% of people polled who say they have an unfavorable view of Trump, according to Reuters. The poll is notable because it comes after the FBI criticized Hillary Clintons email practices while secretary of state, but declined to recommend criminal charges against her.
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BlueNoMatterWho
(880 posts)between them and most other polls? I believe it's an online poll but can anyone find the party ID samples? I couldn't in the link. Maybe that's the reason it always seems to be such an outlier. Sort of like any Rasmussen poll. lol
Johnny2X2X
(19,063 posts)That's a red herring argument. The sample for party simply reflects the % across the country, and there are a lot more Dems than Teps in this country. After all, how would you know how many Dems and reps there were? You'd poll a sample of people.
This poll is a phone poll sampling likely voters across the country. They sampled 1146 likely voters.
Kingofalldems
(38,454 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)too this morning ... and not just with this poster. Interesting ...
BlueNoMatterWho
(880 posts)And vice versa. Likely voters means next to nothing without the party ID sampled.
Johnny2X2X
(19,063 posts)First of all there are about 33% more Dems than Reps in the country(40 Miillion to 30 Million in some studies). But that doesn't even matter when you're picking a random sample. If you poll 1146 likely voters randomly, you're going to get an accurate representation of both parties as long as you picked them randomly. If you happened to ask party affiliation you could use those answers to accurately make a prediction about the %s of Dems and Reps in the country.
It's the same thing if you also asked eye color in the poll, if it was a random sample of likely voters you'd get a pretty good representation of the eye color of likely voters.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)comments (out of the first three posted) crapping all over this poll and pretending you don't know there are far more Democrats than cons in the country. Just who do you think you're fooling?
Hekate
(90,674 posts)tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)I want this to be an embarrassment of epic proportions for that idiot. Plus, higher numbers help our down ballots!
Laffy Kat
(16,377 posts)spinbaby
(15,090 posts)Face it, the race is closer than many here would admit and the MSM is not on our side.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)but only the discredited rass has him ahead in national polls so I'm not sure what ABC is talking about.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)talking about?
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)I always torture myself by turning into Morning Joe for a few to gauge how corrupt the media is going to be that day. Joke was stating that Hillary's 14pt lead in Florida vanished and that she is behind in Iowa and a couple of other battleground states. I'm not sure what poll he was referencing though.
That entire lineup is a joke. His sudden turn back to Trump after his three week rant against him is a joke. Halperin is an ass and Wallace has absolutely no credibility after consistently propping up Palin KNOWING she was grossly unqualified.
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)but I tend to keep myself (somewhat) sane by reminding myself that most of the electorate doesn't even start paying attention until September. As a political junkie and someone who actually gives a shit about what goes on in this country, that nugget of information irritates the hell out of me.
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)I want to have fun guessing which state gives Donald Trump his best margin. (Im thinking West Virginia.)
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)I would LOVE to see a Reagan/Mondale electoral map this season!
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)Winning 80 (or more) percent of participating states used to happen a lot.
During the 20th century, of 25 presidential election cycles, it happened 11 times: 1912, 1928, 1932, 1936, 1952, 1956, 1964, 1972, 1980, 1984, and 1988.
Kingofalldems
(38,454 posts)OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)BlueNoMatterWho
(880 posts)greymattermom
(5,754 posts)How can polls be so opposite? The outcome of a poll is known, the accuracy isn't. Are they reporting different polls?
applegrove
(118,642 posts)that whites would vote more than usual, and Latinos not. I very much believe Latinos will show up in huge numbers.