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Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 07:30 AM Jul 2016

Op-ed by Bernie Sanders: Platform draft 'excellent start' but should oppose the TPP.

Bernie Sanders:


Here are some very positive provisions in the platform as it stands today:

At a time when huge Wall Street financial institutions are bigger now than they were before the taxpayers of this country bailed them out, the platform calls for enacting a 21st-century Glass-Steagall Act and for breaking up too-big-to-fail banks.

The platform calls for a historic expansion of Social Security, closes loopholes that allow corporations to avoid paying taxes, creates millions of jobs rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, makes it easier for workers to join unions, takes on the greed of the pharmaceutical companies, ends disastrous deportation raids, bans private prisons and detention centers, abolishes the death penalty, moves to automatic voter registration and the public financing of elections, eliminates super PACs, and urges passage of a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United, among many other initiatives.

...(However) we need to have very clear language that raises the minimum wage to $15 an hour, ensures that the promised pensions of millions of Americans will not be cut, establishes a tax on carbon, and creates a ban on fracking....(and opposes) the Trans-Pacific Partnership...Doctors Without Borders is strongly opposed to (the TPP) because its members understand that it would increase prescription-drug prices for some of the most desperate people in the world by making it harder to access generic drugs.

http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/20160703_Sanders__Party_platform_still_needs_work.html?mobi=true


The current draft of the Democratic Platform was written by 15 members of the Platform Committee. On Friday and Saturday, the full committee will meet in Orlando, Florida to vote on amendments.
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Op-ed by Bernie Sanders: Platform draft 'excellent start' but should oppose the TPP. (Original Post) Eric J in MN Jul 2016 OP
OK, OK, Bernie ... BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #1
I've watched Bernie Sanders call Donald Trump a 'liar' who uses 'bigotry' Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #2
I must have missed that he was BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #3
I hope that Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton campaign together. Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #4
She has already said she'd accept his $15 wage proposal and that she'd sign it into law. pnwmom Jul 2016 #6
Yes, she should say something analogous Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #10
And then he'll just want more and more and more. pnwmom Jul 2016 #11
I think he'd settle for one post-primary compromise from HRC. Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #17
He's already gotten substantial changes on the platform, pnwmom Jul 2016 #20
I think that the only thing Sanders wants is credit. lapucelle Jul 2016 #54
That is nonsense AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #86
His own committee members voted to approve the amended platform pnwmom Jul 2016 #87
Exactly right! Justice Jul 2016 #94
Hillary won. Bernie lost. BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #35
In 2008, Obama urged his supporters to donate to HRC Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #36
What? SaschaHM Jul 2016 #38
Bernie Sanders seems to both want a liberal Democratic platform and for HRC to say Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #39
She's advocated for debt-free college, I think we may see Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #80
Wow - more than a bit of revisionist history there, methinks! BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #40
a virtual K&R of your reply here Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #81
Sanders made his own choices. lapucelle Jul 2016 #56
Hillary endorsed Obama on June 8th. Bernie's still holding out on that. n/t pnwmom Jul 2016 #60
oh please ... this situation is more complex than it looks shireen Jul 2016 #47
If Sanders waits until convention to endorse then big ratings. Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #50
Hillary won the popular vote count by a few votes and she STILL endorsed pnwmom Jul 2016 #62
This is one of the big truths. pangaia Jul 2016 #65
Yep, all I've heard out of him is demands from the Democratic party to adopt his platform. Arkansas Granny Jul 2016 #9
Exactly. eom BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #33
actually, his platform (anti-TPP) has a BETTER chance of defeating Trump than the current one zazen Jul 2016 #41
YES !!!!!!!!!!! Way to Rock'N Roll, Zazen !!! pangaia Jul 2016 #66
Very good points. NT. andym Jul 2016 #79
This is false, if Clinton tore up all the trade deals and implemented 500% tariffs it still wouldn't uponit7771 Jul 2016 #93
Bernie Sanders isn’t alone. I voted for him. And I ‘demand’ them as well. CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #83
How is writing the Democratic Platform "energy expended against Democrats" AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #85
Forcing his stands - and his alone - BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #90
He can fight for whatever he wants to fight for AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #91
It's not the "fighting" where BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #92
Hillary has already gone the extra mile on this. It's time for Bernie to recognize pnwmom Jul 2016 #5
Sanders pushing hard on this now makes it harder for some Democats to vote for the TPP in Congress Tom Rinaldo Jul 2016 #7
The Dems in Congress aren't going to change their votes because of Bernie. pnwmom Jul 2016 #8
They're not his followers but they'd like to vote for the TPP Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #12
It isn't about Bernie, it's about the TPP Tom Rinaldo Jul 2016 #13
I bet 80% of the public couldn't say what the TPP is. n/t pnwmom Jul 2016 #14
Maybe. But Hillary Clinton said Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #19
that was 95% 12 months ago. The downsides of "free" (not fair) trade are finally being discussed. zazen Jul 2016 #42
The only bad thing is that the party is continuing to be divided because pnwmom Jul 2016 #78
Hillary has publicly said she now opposes the TPP so she's already "gone against" the President dflprincess Jul 2016 #76
The fact that Sen. Sanders DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #15
According to her words, so is Hillary... TCJ70 Jul 2016 #16
She's said that she opposes it DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #18
We'll see what happens once she's in office... TCJ70 Jul 2016 #21
HRC has since used stronger language against the TPP. Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #22
You're missing the whole point here DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #23
Maybe someone else is missing the point. HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #27
Obama is of the Third Way AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #44
wow...wtf... the person who lost does not get the set the agenda uponit7771 Jul 2016 #95
This is not about Obama. In 6 months he will be gone. pangaia Jul 2016 #68
pangia—I’m glad you mentioned that. Hopefully, TPP never gets passed. CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #84
He is actively lobbying against a disaster AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #43
Bernie knows exactly how the party works. The party if for the party. pangaia Jul 2016 #67
I know there were resolutions passed at DFL caucuses against the TPP dflprincess Jul 2016 #77
Bernie is hamstringing Hillary with an unmarketable platform n/t cosmicone Jul 2016 #24
The platform should have been silent about the death penalty Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #25
The platform should contain generalities cosmicone Jul 2016 #26
"All things to all people" comes across as insincere AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #45
Winning an election is more important than martyrdom n/t cosmicone Jul 2016 #46
The platform should tell the truth !! What a novelty THAT would be. pangaia Jul 2016 #69
It is a PR document - that's all it is -- like a product brochure. cosmicone Jul 2016 #70
I am not surprised to learn that Sanders agrees with Clinton on almost everything. Tal Vez Jul 2016 #28
Way to go Bernie!!! Keep it up and help kill the TPP! Dustlawyer Jul 2016 #29
Bernie rehashing his writing career? JaneyVee Jul 2016 #30
I don't like the TPP, but they're unlikely to make a platform that contradicts the gollygee Jul 2016 #31
TPP ISDS and the Democrats Arizona Roadrunner Jul 2016 #32
There is no sovereignty given over to corporate interests. randome Jul 2016 #52
I don't necessarily agree with you, pangaia Jul 2016 #71
So, is his going to finally concede his defeat & be the guy inside the tent pissing out? baldguy Jul 2016 #34
Oh Bernie, go away. Shoo! Lil Missy Jul 2016 #37
Sign Robert Reich's Petition: Tell the Democratic Platform Committee To Take a Stand Against the TPP red dog 1 Jul 2016 #48
Unlikely given the president's support of it BainsBane Jul 2016 #49
Republicans control the Senate. He's laying the groundwork for when Democrats contol it, again. NT Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #53
They don't care, Eric. senz Jul 2016 #58
By then TPP will already be law BainsBane Jul 2016 #61
Yippee was so waiting for his bi-weekly writings! Her Sister Jul 2016 #51
. BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #55
There are under 20 comments to Sanders's editorial lapucelle Jul 2016 #57
Quit sniping at each other. We need to come together. PatrickforO Jul 2016 #59
This shows what poor political instincts Sanders has. randome Jul 2016 #63
Oh he's looking out for number one just fine. ucrdem Jul 2016 #74
Bravo Bernie! RobertEarl Jul 2016 #64
Does Bernie understand that he's not going to be able to get everything he wants? Lord Magus Jul 2016 #72
It's like someone yelling across the table at you, "Pass the goddamned butter! Now!" randome Jul 2016 #73
Perfect bravenak Jul 2016 #75
The article is about the party platform, not HRC's platform. Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #82
It's time for Hillary supporters jimw81 Jul 2016 #88
The platform draft says Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #89

BlueMTexpat

(15,374 posts)
1. OK, OK, Bernie ...
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 07:37 AM
Jul 2016

we're still waiting to see actual efforts to defeat Don the Con.

Right now I see more energy expended against Democrats. JMO.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
2. I've watched Bernie Sanders call Donald Trump a 'liar' who uses 'bigotry'
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 07:43 AM
Jul 2016

...in dozens of rallies and TV interviews.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
4. I hope that Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton campaign together.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:06 AM
Jul 2016

Sanders took the first step towards unity by saying he'll vote for Hillary Clinton.

Now HRC should announce that she'll consider signing one of his policy ideas into law if it reaches her Oval Office desk, and then he'll probably endorse, and then they will probably campaign together.

pnwmom

(109,017 posts)
6. She has already said she'd accept his $15 wage proposal and that she'd sign it into law.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:17 AM
Jul 2016

And that is just one of the Bernie plans they wrote into the platform. So I don't know what you mean about him taking the first step.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
10. Yes, she should say something analogous
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:27 AM
Jul 2016

...about another of his policy ideas, in response to his saying he'll vote for her.

pnwmom

(109,017 posts)
11. And then he'll just want more and more and more.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:31 AM
Jul 2016

He won't be satisfied till her platform has been replaced by his platform.

And that's not going to happen.

But she doesn't need him anymore. He's over-played his hand. His few supporters in Congress have lost patience with him, and for good reason.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
17. I think he'd settle for one post-primary compromise from HRC.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:35 AM
Jul 2016

Regarding the idea that HRC doesn't need Sanders: let's say she can easily beat Trump.

We still need the help of everyone possible to take back Congress.

pnwmom

(109,017 posts)
20. He's already gotten substantial changes on the platform,
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:45 AM
Jul 2016

including the $15 minimum wage. He is refusing to take "yes" for an answer.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/07/01/bernie-sanders-is-winning-some-big-victories-over-the-dem-platform/

The latest draft of the Democratic Party platform, which is set to be released as early as this afternoon, will show that Bernie Sanders won far more victories on his signature issues than has been previously thought, according to details provided by a senior Sanders adviser.

The latest version of the platform, which was signed off on recently by a committee made up of representatives for the Sanders and Clinton campaigns and the DNC, has been generally summarized by the DNC and characterized in news reports. Sanders has hailed some of the compromises reached in it, but he has vowed to continue to fight for more of what he wants when the current draft goes to a larger Democratic convention platform committee in Orlando coming weeks, and when it goes to the floor of the convention in Philadelphia in late July.

But the actual language of the latest draft has not yet been released, and it will be released as early as today. It will show a number of new provisions on Wall Street reform, infrastructure spending, and job creation that go beyond the victories that Sanders has already talked about. They suggest Sanders did far better out of this process thus far than has been previously thought. Many of these new provisions are things that Sanders has been fighting for for years.

We already know from the DNC’s public description of the latest draft of the platform that it includes things such as a general commitment to the idea of a $15-per-hour minimum wage; to expanding Social Security; to making universal health care available as a right through expanding Medicare or a public option; and to breaking up too-big-to-fail institutions.


Here’s more.

SNIP

lapucelle

(18,369 posts)
54. I think that the only thing Sanders wants is credit.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 04:36 PM
Jul 2016

These are fairly mainstream Democratic policy planks. Sanders needs to stop grandstanding.

I'm beginning to see why he has a reputation for not working well with others.

pnwmom

(109,017 posts)
87. His own committee members voted to approve the amended platform
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:09 AM
Jul 2016

after all the parties worked it out.

He's the only one standing in the way of a unified convention.

BlueMTexpat

(15,374 posts)
35. Hillary won. Bernie lost.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 09:46 AM
Jul 2016

She - and the Democratic Party - have bent over backwards to humor him since. I know of no Democratic primary winner EVER who has made such overtures and taken into account the concerns of the losing party as much as Hillary has.

Nothing has been enough for Bernie so far. I am beginning to believe that nothing will ever be enough.

As always, Hillary as a winner is being held to a different standard. If Hillary had acted towards Prez O in 2008 in the same way that Bernie is acting towards her in 2016, the outcry would STILL be resounding and SHE would have been metaphorically - if not literally - torn apart.

I can think of only one reason why Bernie believes that he can hold Hillary to a different standard.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
36. In 2008, Obama urged his supporters to donate to HRC
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 09:52 AM
Jul 2016

...during the post-primary pre-convention period.

HRC hasn't done anything for Sanders post-primary pre-convention.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
38. What?
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 10:29 AM
Jul 2016

Bernie has received many major platform concessions already. Hell, the fact that he has people on the platform committee is a major concession that has never occurred before.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
39. Bernie Sanders seems to both want a liberal Democratic platform and for HRC to say
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 11:57 AM
Jul 2016

...something to the left on health care or tuition from what she's said so far.

Maru Kitteh

(28,344 posts)
80. She's advocated for debt-free college, I think we may see
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 10:36 PM
Jul 2016

her advocate for a public option in each state as part of her campaign. That would be a good compromise and one I think would be both palatable and tenable.

We'll see I guess, right?

BlueMTexpat

(15,374 posts)
40. Wow - more than a bit of revisionist history there, methinks!
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 12:04 PM
Jul 2016


Not only are you overlooking concessions already made to Sanders in the Dem platform, you seem to have completely omitted the facts that Hillary conceded that she had lost the primary in a much closer race and wholeheartedly endorsed Dem primary winner Barack Obama on June 7, 2008. For a refresher course, please see, e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2008

Hillary had showed him BEFORE THE WORLD that she was 100 percent behind his candidacy!

I have seen NO concession from Bernie. I have seen NO congratulations from Bernie. I have seen NO endorsement from Bernie.

What I have seen is a half-hearted acknowledgement that HE will not be the Dem nominee and that Hillary will. BUT he will continue to withhold any endorsement unless ALL HIS demands are met by Hillary and the Dems.

That is NOT uniting the party. That is deliberately continuing to sow dissension within it.

It is now July 3, 2016. The Democratic Convention will be held from July 25-28, 2016. The rest of us will unite without him.

If Bernie continues like this, history will simply pass him by.

Maru Kitteh

(28,344 posts)
81. a virtual K&R of your reply here
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:19 AM
Jul 2016

It's pretty tragic really that Mr. Sanders has chosen to defer the desires and hopes of his coalition.

lapucelle

(18,369 posts)
56. Sanders made his own choices.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 04:45 PM
Jul 2016

Hillary gave Obama a full-throated endorsement and immediately began campaigning for him.

Sanders has made it clear that he is never going to endorse Hillary. At this point, he just seems like a bitter spoiler.

shireen

(8,333 posts)
47. oh please ... this situation is more complex than it looks
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 02:56 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie still needs to represent the significant numbers of people who voted for him. We cannot be ignored. He won't win everything in the platform, but he's going to give it his best effort.

And he WILL play a critically important role in unifying the party. All this is leading up to a very dramatic moment at the convention, when many people are paying attention, when he will endorse Hillary. It will be YUGE and it will generate a lot of positive publicity for the candidate.

This nomination will not be a Hillary coronation, as was presumed early in the campaign. Bernie was a formidable opponent. Hillary worked hard to win that nomination. She showed strength and tenacity. IMO, Bernie made her a better candidate, one that will win over many independents.

I hate seeing the Bernie bashing that's still going on, and wish people had a more nuanced view of what he's doing. He will endorse Hillary and he will campaign for her because it's the right thing to do. He will do everything possible to help her win the White House.

But he's not going away. He's started a movement and there's no stopping us.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
50. If Sanders waits until convention to endorse then big ratings.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 03:29 PM
Jul 2016

Good point about his endorsement being more dramatic if it's at the convention. People will tune in wondering if he will or not.

pnwmom

(109,017 posts)
62. Hillary won the popular vote count by a few votes and she STILL endorsed
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 05:43 PM
Jul 2016

Obama. That was her best way of representing her voters -- by helping Obama fight the R's.

Bernie lost by millions of votes and hundreds of pledged delegates and he's still refusing to concede or endorse. There is nothing complex about this. He is not helping her by delaying or by trying to force all his positions on issues on the millions of voters who chose HER.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
65. This is one of the big truths.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 07:33 PM
Jul 2016

That all this has many, many sides to it, nuance, as you say. It is so much more complex than in the past because of another big truth; Bernie Sanders is fighting a different battle than almost anyone in the past. Many just do not see that. He is not even fighting the same battle that Hillary Clinton is fighting. I don't think he really cares if he is the next president. That is not the main point.

What he is doing for other human beings IS the main point.

Arkansas Granny

(31,536 posts)
9. Yep, all I've heard out of him is demands from the Democratic party to adopt his platform.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:27 AM
Jul 2016

This is not helping to unify the party and it's doing nothing to defeat Trump.

zazen

(2,978 posts)
41. actually, his platform (anti-TPP) has a BETTER chance of defeating Trump than the current one
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 12:15 PM
Jul 2016

Isn't this the best of both worlds? You get your candidate, you get her pragmatism in implementing things, and you get a platform that is only in existence because this man poured his heart and soul into galvanizing millions through an unprecedented primary campaign and woke the American people up to the realities of severe economic inequality.

I'm not crazy about her but she is tough as nails and I'm not sure he'd have been the best manager anyway (I think he needs to be in a gadfly/prophet in the wilderness mode, not insider-leader role). So, you get her, and he (and we) keep pushing for his platform.

You can keep fussing about it but we're on the right side of history here and making economic populism a central, unapologetic centerpiece of the platform will help prevent the co-optation of a lot of frustrated people by right-wing bigots.

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
93. This is false, if Clinton tore up all the trade deals and implemented 500% tariffs it still wouldn't
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 06:11 AM
Jul 2016

... win his supporters over.

People don't understand the draw of tribalism

BlueMTexpat

(15,374 posts)
90. Forcing his stands - and his alone -
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 04:14 AM
Jul 2016

on the Democratic platform when he LOST and then withholding his endorsement of the winner, while stating that accepting his demands is is a requirement for that endorsement is clearly expending energy against Dems as a whole and against Hillary in particular.

Nevermind. This strategy is already making him a footnote to political history when he could have been a "player."

It also demonstrates why so many of his colleagues in the House and Senate - the people who know him best - did not endorse his candidacy. He is simply not a team player in the ultimate team player game.

BlueMTexpat

(15,374 posts)
92. It's not the "fighting" where
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 04:45 AM
Jul 2016

things get done. It's all in the "compromising."

Fighting is black and white, all or nothing. Compromising is more nuanced.

pnwmom

(109,017 posts)
5. Hillary has already gone the extra mile on this. It's time for Bernie to recognize
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:15 AM
Jul 2016

that he's not going to get everything he wants. That's the nature of COMPROMISE.

The TPP isn't in here because Hillary doesn't want to publicly go against the President. It's not going to be part of the platform. Period.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,918 posts)
7. Sanders pushing hard on this now makes it harder for some Democats to vote for the TPP in Congress
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:23 AM
Jul 2016

...during a lame duck session. This is still a live issue with the outcome still in doubt. By working to make it a defining issue for Democrats Sanders is working on its defeat. It doesn't matter whether or not it becomes a platform plank, win or lose at the convention, his tactic to raise the profile of this issue higher now makes sense. I appreciate and applaud his efforts.

pnwmom

(109,017 posts)
8. The Dems in Congress aren't going to change their votes because of Bernie.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:26 AM
Jul 2016

They have known him for a long time and they're not suddenly becoming Bernie followers.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
12. They're not his followers but they'd like to vote for the TPP
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:31 AM
Jul 2016

...and have few people notice.

Sanders is putting them in a position that if they vote for the TPP, many people will notice.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,918 posts)
13. It isn't about Bernie, it's about the TPP
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:32 AM
Jul 2016

and how the voting public reacts to it. Bernie is the same now as he was before he ran for President. It is the public debate on the issues that has changed, and as a result the priorities of millions of voters who Democrats depend on. In that regard it is like Gun Safety. Nothing changes unless it is taken on in a sustained high profile manner. The Democratic establishment has been on course to back agreements like the TPP for decades. Without high profile opposition to it now they will continue to do so.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
19. Maybe. But Hillary Clinton said
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:41 AM
Jul 2016

...during her Cincinnati rally with Elizabeth Warren that she'll say, "No to bad trade deals like the TPP."

If enough people understand the TPP for HRC to discuss it, then enough understand the TPP for Sanders to discuss it.

zazen

(2,978 posts)
42. that was 95% 12 months ago. The downsides of "free" (not fair) trade are finally being discussed.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 12:17 PM
Jul 2016

Why is this a bad thing?

pnwmom

(109,017 posts)
78. The only bad thing is that the party is continuing to be divided because
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 10:22 PM
Jul 2016

the person who lost is trying to impose his platform views on the person who won, and won't accept the very large compromises that have already been made.

dflprincess

(28,088 posts)
76. Hillary has publicly said she now opposes the TPP so she's already "gone against" the President
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 09:52 PM
Jul 2016

there's no reason that opposition to it shouldn't be part of the platform. Strange that her surrogates on the platform commission voted against including it.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
15. The fact that Sen. Sanders
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:33 AM
Jul 2016

is actively lobbying against something the SITTING Democratic president is working to get done AND wants that language in the platform, shows he does not GET how the party works.

Do you honestly think if he were in that position, that he'd be happy if his party did this to him?

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
18. She's said that she opposes it
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:41 AM
Jul 2016

in the its current form, because she thinks it needs more work before being passed. He is outright opposed to it, whether or not anything to work on it to make it better is done.

She does understand how the party works, which is why that language will NOT be in the platform. Why would she insult PBO that way?

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
21. We'll see what happens once she's in office...
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:46 AM
Jul 2016

...I mean, she also referred to it as the gold standard of trade deals so who knows...

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
22. HRC has since used stronger language against the TPP.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:46 AM
Jul 2016

Clinton said during her rally with Elizabeth Warren that she'll say, "No to bad trade deals like the TPP."

I don't think HRC was insulting Obama. I think she was disagreeing with him on a public policy issue.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
23. You're missing the whole point here
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:52 AM
Jul 2016

PBO is a popular SITTING Democratic president. He's not "third way" "DLC" or any other garbage labels the ones who dislike him may want to tack onto the man. That being the case, the DNC is not going to include anything in the platform which would be taken as a slap down of him.

Don't forget that as long as he is in the White House, he is the HEAD of the Democratic Party.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
27. Maybe someone else is missing the point.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 09:09 AM
Jul 2016

He called himself most like a moderate republican of the 1980's.

I wonder what would a moderate republican of the 1980's brought to 2015 be thinking about international trade?

I suppose that can't be discussed

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
44. Obama is of the Third Way
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 01:23 PM
Jul 2016

The head of the Democratic party is Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

There is no obligation within the party to be in lockstep with the leadership, particularly when they hold positions that are disastrous to the middle class.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
43. He is actively lobbying against a disaster
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 01:21 PM
Jul 2016

As a Senator, he has an obligation to serve the people. People over party.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
67. Bernie knows exactly how the party works. The party if for the party.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 07:44 PM
Jul 2016

If it happens by accident to do something good for people, that is a by product.
THAT is the problem.

Bernie is trying to do something for all human beings

dflprincess

(28,088 posts)
77. I know there were resolutions passed at DFL caucuses against the TPP
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 09:54 PM
Jul 2016

I would guess things like that happened all over the country. Apparently we, who make up the party, don't want it. Perhaps it's not Bernie who doesn't understand how the party works.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
26. The platform should contain generalities
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 09:05 AM
Jul 2016

with weasel clauses so that it can appear palatable to a lot of people from different walks of life.

It should not contain black and white statements that might offend a huge swath of the electorate.

The goal is to win an election -- not become a martyr over inflexible positions.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
45. "All things to all people" comes across as insincere
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 01:27 PM
Jul 2016

The platform is meant to outline policy specifics that separates the Democratic party from the GOP.



pangaia

(24,324 posts)
69. The platform should tell the truth !! What a novelty THAT would be.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 07:52 PM
Jul 2016

It should NOT contain weasel words. I've heard weasel words my entire life. That is one reason I supported Sanders in the primary ( he other reasons being his positions). He doesn't use weasel words. Almost every other national level politician I have ever seen weasels everything.

The GOAL is to help other human beings have a happy, fruitful life, or at least give them a fighting chance. Stating THAT, truthfully, directly and without hidden meanings, and slippery half truths and what have you, will win..!

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
70. It is a PR document - that's all it is -- like a product brochure.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 07:55 PM
Jul 2016

It is not supposed to turn off window-shoppers who don't have the same ideology as you but make it appealing to a wide range of people.

Some are confusing it with a manifesto.

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
28. I am not surprised to learn that Sanders agrees with Clinton on almost everything.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 09:10 AM
Jul 2016

I am happy to learn that he likes the platform that the Clinton team is putting together. I knew it would all work out.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
31. I don't like the TPP, but they're unlikely to make a platform that contradicts the
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 09:20 AM
Jul 2016

Sitting President.

Hillary is opposed to the TPP so maybe there's the possibility of changing it in the future, but of course Obama is in favor of it. There's no way the platform will contradict him while he's in office.

 

Arizona Roadrunner

(168 posts)
32. TPP ISDS and the Democrats
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 09:31 AM
Jul 2016

As a person who has served on a local government’s Board of Directors, I am VERY concerned about the TPP ISDS court process with results being the surrendering of governmental sovereignty to corporate interests, foreign and domestic.
Basically due to secretive deliberations, this “judicial” process is designed to favor corporate over governmental concerns and interests. This agreement should not allow corporations to use this judicial process, but should demand they use our existing judicial process as it relates to governmental entities. How many state and local governments can afford to be involved in such a process? Just by the threat of suits through ISDS, a climate where governmental units cave in will be created. Look at what has happened under NAFTA and the WTO as it relates to our right to know where our food comes from. Look at how a Canadian corporation is using NAFTA to sue the U.S. on the Keystone project.
This will mean that political topics such as minimum wage increases and housing and zoning laws may be pre-empted by just the threat of a suit through the ISDS process. Look at what happened with Egypt when a corporation tried to use a process analogous to the ISDS to prevent Egypt from raising their minimum wage laws. (Veolia v. Egypt)
Therefore, I recommend, in the national interest, this agreement not be approved. When people find out how this can be used to prevent them from finding out things such as where products are made, etc., there will be charges of treason and the political process will never recover the trust of the American citizens.

By not voting against the TPP outright, the Democrats have given Trump a great opportunity to tie the Democrats to the "establishment" and "corporate America". He can also use this position to raise questions about the Democrats "really caring about you and your job". This is a loser position for the Democrats for the "down ticket" candidates too. By the way, the US Chamber of Commerce is not worried about Clinton being "currently" against TPP. They figure after she gets into office, she will find a way for her to be "currently" in favor of it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/chamber-of-commerce-lobby_b_9104096.html

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
52. There is no sovereignty given over to corporate interests.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 03:44 PM
Jul 2016

There is a little bit of sovereignty given over to trade tribunals, much like there is with agreements fashioned through the U.N. Should we withdraw from the UN, too, in order to protect our precious bodily sovereignty?
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pangaia

(24,324 posts)
71. I don't necessarily agree with you,
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 07:57 PM
Jul 2016

but I did get what you did there with " in order to protect our precious bodily sovereignty? ."

Bravo...!

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
34. So, is his going to finally concede his defeat & be the guy inside the tent pissing out?
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 09:37 AM
Jul 2016

Or is he going to keep being the outside the tent pissing in?

red dog 1

(27,884 posts)
48. Sign Robert Reich's Petition: Tell the Democratic Platform Committee To Take a Stand Against the TPP
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 03:18 PM
Jul 2016

Democracy For America (DFA)
July 3, 2016


"Time is running out to show your support for one of the most important battles that our movement is fighting over the Democratic Party platform before the DNC convention.

Opposition to the job-killing Trans-Pacific Partnership should not be controversial within the Democratic Party.
Both Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton campaigned against the TPP in this year's presidential primaries.

Join Robert Reich, Bernie Sanders, Keith Ellison and DFA to demand that the Democratic Party take a stand against the TPP in the Party platform."
http://act.democracyforamerica.com/sign/stopTPPinDNCplatform/

BainsBane

(53,093 posts)
49. Unlikely given the president's support of it
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 03:24 PM
Jul 2016

And he is still the head of the party. But this brings me to a larger question. Even if it were in the platform, that doesn't stop it from becoming law. Congress is where that happens. That is as true for TPP as the minimum wage and every other issue Bernie wants to see in the platform. A platform document that is his idea of perfection still doesn't change anything. I find it difficult to understand why he isn't focusing his efforts on the Senate, of which he is a member, rather than an entirely unbinding platform document.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
58. They don't care, Eric.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 05:05 PM
Jul 2016

Issues that directly affect the American people are like annoying little flies, irrelevant and silly.

Here, enjoy a nice cartoon. It's called, oddly enough, "Pearls Before Swine."



BainsBane

(53,093 posts)
61. By then TPP will already be law
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jul 2016

How does the platform affect that? More importantly, what should be the alternative?

lapucelle

(18,369 posts)
57. There are under 20 comments to Sanders's editorial
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 04:50 PM
Jul 2016

and many of them are intimating that losers don't get to dictate terms.

I wonder what other newspapers he shopped that editorial to before it was finally accepted for publication.

PatrickforO

(14,600 posts)
59. Quit sniping at each other. We need to come together.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 05:24 PM
Jul 2016

Thing is, I basically support the Sanders platform. So, yeah, please do accept the fact that this party has a middle of the road wing, a conservative wing and a liberal New Deal type wing. Millions of us New Dealer type Social Democrats will be watching as things move forward.

Speaking for myself alone, though the Green party has positions that most closely resemble my own, I will be voting for Clinton this time around, as well as ALL downticket Democrats. We cannot let Trump anywhere near the White House, and we need to recapture majorities in both Houses.

I'm not thrilled with Clinton but she will be a sane president, and I am confident she will do her very best once in office.

That said, I get TIRED (that's right, with a capital T) of getting told

- You're too liberal
- You're a unicorn
- Your positions are not do-able

Did you know Rahm Emmanuel called people like me 'libtards?'

But you know what? There's about 830 people in DC who call the shots and if they wanted single payer we'd have it now. If they wanted a fair tax code to make corporations pay their fair share, we'd have that now. If they wanted unions to be strong, workers to earn living wages, safe workplaces and great benefits like defined pensions, we'd have that now. If they wanted to change corporate charters to put workers, customers, the communities in which the company has locations and the earth itself on an equal footing with shareholders (check out 'b' corporations and regenerative capitalism), then we would have that now.

I get sick of looking at the way things are and wanting to puke. I'm all about doing our best to create the world as it could be.

Yeah I know there must be compromise, but I will fight tooth and nail to drive this party to the left. I'm doing that now, will be doing that during the election and most importantly after the election at the local and state levels. That's what we who wish to organize our society around human need rather than human greed need to do.

I will be voting a straight Dem ticket this election, but when it's over I WANT CHANGE.



 

randome

(34,845 posts)
63. This shows what poor political instincts Sanders has.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jul 2016

He has deliberately taken a losing position. There is no chance that rejection of the TPP will be written into the Dem platform. None. Does anyone expect him to shrug and say, "Well, that's okay. I wholeheartedly support Clinton now."?

It would come across as farcical. He's backed himself into a corner and he can't get out.
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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
74. Oh he's looking out for number one just fine.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 09:00 PM
Jul 2016

Now he can safely spend the next eight years complaining as bitterly as he did the last eight.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
72. Does Bernie understand that he's not going to be able to get everything he wants?
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:43 PM
Jul 2016

The losing candidate doesn't get to have his entire platform adopted by the winner.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
73. It's like someone yelling across the table at you, "Pass the goddamned butter! Now!"
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:51 PM
Jul 2016

The last thing in the world you want to do is pass him the butter.
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Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
82. The article is about the party platform, not HRC's platform.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 05:45 AM
Jul 2016

The Democratic Party platform draft advocates abolishing the death penalty, which isn't part of HRC's campaign platform.

jimw81

(111 posts)
88. It's time for Hillary supporters
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:30 AM
Jul 2016

To put pressure on Hillary/DWS appointments to not Cave into Sanders and his petty demands. He already got enough on the platform. The idea of not acknowledging Jerusalem and policy towards Israel sounds regressive. Party already move to left and I don't want to scare off the middle.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
89. The platform draft says
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:43 AM
Jul 2016

We will continue to work toward a two-state solution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
negotiated directly by the parties that guarantees Israel’s future as a secure and democratic
Jewish state with recognized borders and provides the Palestinians with independence,
sovereignty, and dignity. While Jerusalem is a matter for final status negotiations, it should
remain the capital of Israel, an undivided city accessible to people of all faiths. Israelis deserve security, recognition,
and a normal life free from terror and incitement. Palestinians should be
free to govern themselves in their own viable state, in peace and dignity.

https://demconvention.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/2016-DEMOCRATIC-PARTY-PLATFORM-DRAFT-7.1.16.pdf


Do you disagree with the above? Are you saying that Bernie Sanders disagrees with the above?
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