2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Clinton Campaign Is Obstructing Change to the Democratic Platform
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/06/28/clinton-campaign-obstructing-change-democratic-platformAnd it was there that the essential dynamic quickly emerged. The Clinton campaign was ready to acknowledge serious problems: We need fair trade policy, inequality is a horrible problem, and unchecked climate change will wreck the planet. But when it came to specific policy changes, they often balked. Amendments against the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement and backing Medicare for all failed, with all the Clinton delegates voting against.
At which point we got (about 11 p.m., in a half-deserted hotel ballroom) to the climate section of the platform, and thats where things got particularly obvious. We all agreed that America should be operating on 100 percent clean energy by 2050, but then I proposed, in one amendment after another, a series of ways we might actually get there. A carbon tax? Voted down 7-6 (one of the DNC delegates voted with each side). A ban on fracking? Voted down 7-6. An effort to keep fossils in the ground, at least on federal land? Voted down 7-6. A measure to mandate that federal agencies weigh the climate impact of their decisions? Voted down 7-6. Even a plan to keep fossil fuel companies from taking private land by eminent domain, voted down 7-6. (We did, however, reach unanimous consent on more bike paths!)
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Which is why we need not platitudes but a platform. Not aspirations but commitments. Not happy talk, but the fully adult conversation that Sanders engaged the country in for the past year. Cornel West, with his usual succinct eloquence, said that in the end the platform debate came down to telling the truth. The truth is, were in a world of hurt. That hurteconomic, social, environmentalis driving the unsettling politics of our moment. That hurt needs to be addressed.
Disappointing, to me at least, that actual policies are being rejected in favor of platitudes. There are problems to be fixed and the Democratic Party should be on the vanguard of leading the fixes.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)"We all agreed that America should be operating on 100 percent clean energy by 2050, but then I proposed, in one amendment after another, a series of ways we might actually get there. A carbon tax? Voted down 7-6 (one of the DNC delegates voted with each side). A ban on fracking? Voted down 7-6. An effort to keep fossils in the ground, at least on federal land? Voted down 7-6. A measure to mandate that federal agencies weigh the climate impact of their decisions? Voted down 7-6. Even a plan to keep fossil fuel companies from taking private land by eminent domain, voted down 7-6. (We did, however, reach unanimous consent on more bike paths!) "
floriduck
(2,262 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,320 posts)That number is far higher than the number of HRC supporters backing Obama at this time in 2008.
Not to mention Sanders himself will be voting for her.
So it seems she is doing an excellent job of convincing.
forest444
(5,902 posts)a lot of those changes would require an alien invasion. Such is the world (for now, anyway).
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)She and here team fully understand negotiations. There were then others who have no clue what the word means. Simply my way or no way at all. The platform is a collaboration.
It is a mindset from top to bottom.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)it. Clinton nor the Dem's really don't know what is possible until after
the election.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Response to NCTraveler (Reply #3)
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NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)But I believe the country fully got the idea of what we would be looking at with respect to negotiations after the '07 immigration votes were so widely discussed this primary. It was a big selling point for Clinton.
leftinportland
(247 posts)we'll let you voice your concern but don't ask for any actions to fix them and don't ask us to change any of our positions that might harm our corporate sponsors...that will work well going forward...NOT!
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)leftinportland
(247 posts)Thought the Hill team knew this...apparently few do. When you have almost half your intended constituency wanting something...one gives a little...That my friend is negotiating.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)People's confidence in her ability to do so was a big selling point for her. This just highlights how accurate that narrative was and is.
There is also the fact that the loser will have to compromise to a much greater extent. Specially will all of the special considerations that were already given to the losing party in the negotiations.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)uponit7771
(91,048 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,390 posts)And legislators are not appointed by candidates for office. The would be legislators themselves must be elected.
joshcryer
(62,315 posts)The one that striped the UK of EUs environmental regs? The one that was literally argued for because Britain cut back coal in some places?
Bill, please.
Buzz cook
(2,555 posts)Notice how frequently it is "his" amendment and how they are the only way to solve problems.
The platform is purposely vague because its intent is aspirational not prescriptive. The author wants the platform to tie the hands of legislators in the face of an uncertain future.
JudyM
(29,474 posts)Buzz cook
(2,555 posts)Just as with the 15$ minimum wage, it was "reported" as being blocked when in fact it had not been blocked. It was just certain amendments not the thing itself.
I am willing to wait a douple days to see what the facts are.
CrispyQ
(37,526 posts)The democratic party has been giving us platitudes for 35 years & now they're giving us aspirations. What the hell? We've gone backwards! If they'd been a true opposition party for the last 35 years, maybe we wouldn't have Donald Trump now.
In Michael Moore's movie, "Where to Invade Next," he 'invades' countries for their good ideas to bring back to America, and surprise, surprise, some of them are American ideas that we abandoned. Got my copy of the movie in the mail this morning!
Saw this on FB.
pokerfan
(27,677 posts)So to recap, if I have this right, the platform thus far is:
Pro TPP
Pro fracking
Pro continued Israeli occupation of Palestine
Against a carbon tax
Against single payer health care
Against $15 minimum wage
DanTex
(20,709 posts)joshcryer
(62,315 posts)...Be Free 2016. He should be grateful he was so fortunate to take his ideas.
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CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)There is no "obstruction" ... everyone got to debate their view and people just didn't agree with one side.
But, there it is again - high drama about every loss and smears of something unholy happening.
Clinton camp was too generous and gave Bernie 5 seats. Otherwise the decisions would have been 12-2. Let us not forget -- She WON and it is HER convention.
We cannot -- simply cannot -- hobble our candidate with a dream list that is impossible to defend in a GE.
msongs
(69,254 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)does not just jump through every hoop the person who lost demands.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)pnwmom
(109,331 posts)than a losing candidate normally gets, including 5 seats on the platform committee.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)I keep hearing the words ........ "the loser does not get to dictate terms."
arcane1
(38,613 posts)A carbon tax? Voted down 7-6 (one of the DNC delegates voted with each side).
A ban on fracking? Voted down 7-6.
An effort to keep fossils in the ground, at least on federal land? Voted down 7-6.
A measure to mandate that federal agencies weigh the climate impact of their decisions? Voted down 7-6.
Even a plan to keep fossil fuel companies from taking private land by eminent domain, voted down 7-6.
Eko
(8,091 posts)"The Clinton campaign says its reluctance to accept some of McKibbens amendments reflects legitimate concerns about the policy implications, not mere political calculation. Not all experts agree that a carbon tax is the most effective way to reduce emissions, for example. Mary Nichols of the California Air Resources Board had pointed out in her testimony to the committee a week earlier that a carbon tax does not guarantee emissions reductions, while direct regulation, such as Obamas Clean Power Plan, does. Clinton supporters rejected a blanket prohibition on lending for foreign fossil fuel development projects on the grounds that the U.S. relationship with any given developing country may have competing priorities, and they opposed the climate test for energy projects because they worried it could prevent necessary projects like transmission lines for electricity that may be partly generated from dirty sources."
http://grist.org/election-2016/sanders-and-clinton-teams-fight-over-climate-language-in-democratic-platform/
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)With regards to fracking, Hillary herself has supported exporting fracking to other countries (for example, How Hillary Clinton's State Department Sold Fracking to the World ), so we couldn't truly expect otherwise.
What was particularly striking (and depressing) was this getting voted down: A measure to mandate that federal agencies weigh the climate impact of their decisions
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Not sometime in the foggy unexplained future,but right now?
Wouldn't it make more sense to advocate for federal monies to grow the alternative energy source? How do you explain to American voters that we're going to raise gas prices without a less expensive alternative?
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)That's the platform we're supposed to be cheering. Rah. Rah.
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)It makes perfect sense that it should read word for word like Hillary's Campaign message. Why on earth would her team allow parts of Bernie's message that she disagreed with govern her or make it into some mandatory pledge to do strictly "xy&z" when she's going to have to govern with a divided congress?
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)This is one of the major reasons I supported her.
TwilightZone
(26,868 posts)than the person who loses. Often, the person who loses has none at all. In this case, the person who lost was given representation on the committee - five members - and they obviously had input in the process, as Keith Ellison clearly indicated.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)I and millions more for voted for HER platform over his. It's Democracy. That's how it works.
Uncle Joe
(59,574 posts)Thanks for the thread, Scuba.