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Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 03:31 PM Jun 2016

TPP are are you for/against it being supported in the final draft of the Democratic Party Platform.

Last edited Sat Jun 25, 2016, 05:41 PM - Edit history (1)


30 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
For it on it's merits.
1 (3%)
For it so as to not be counter to POTUS's position.
1 (3%)
Both of the above.
1 (3%)
Against it.
25 (83%)
Other/need more info.
2 (7%)
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JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
2. For it. We need to keep raising labor and environmental standards.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 03:33 PM
Jun 2016

Dont believe the fear mongering. We live in a global economy, we either lead or get left behind.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
9. there are plenty of other good ways to do that. The TPP
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 04:39 PM
Jun 2016

is not one. It's horrific in its transfer of power from sovereign governments to private transnational corporations.

TheFarseer

(9,322 posts)
15. It's not working
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 07:07 PM
Jun 2016

Our trade deficit is enormous and we losing entire industries overseas. What would getting left behind mean? Do you even know? What good does it do to raise labor and environmental standards when other countries don't follow the agreement? What good does it do to take tariffs off Chinese goods but they still get to put tariffs on our goods? Then we agree to these trade courts that rule against us every time. We're playing the game against the wind, uphill, with the sun in our eyes and our shoes tied together. It's not fair trade. Every other country has got to think we are the dumbest negotiators ever.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
3. Ithknk people may be confused by your for or against it
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 03:55 PM
Jun 2016
BEING INcluded in the platform I think you might be getting some for or against the TPP in there.

eta - I have no idea what both the above mean at all???

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
11. I've heard the argument that some party officials are either against or neutral on the issue,
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 05:40 PM
Jun 2016

but feel it would be wrong for the official party platform to hold a position not aligned with POTUS.
I suspect that some who may read the poll are slightly in favor of TPP and also have major qualms about the platform not aligning as detailed above.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. TPP will lower labor standards.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 04:18 PM
Jun 2016

Like NAFTA, the TPP is designed to facilitate the needs of capitalists, not workers. The provisions in many sections were actually written by lobbyists from affected industries with no participation or input from the bottom 99%.

The TPP is the ALEC model of legislating applied to treaty writing.

LuvLoogie

(6,992 posts)
5. The convention will not take political swipes at our President.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 04:22 PM
Jun 2016

The platform language acknowledges opposition to the TPP, but takes no position for or against

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
6. clarify the question please, you ask should if it should be mentioned
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 04:30 PM
Jun 2016

ie. included in the platform, but not what stance (pro TPP or anti TPP) that plank will say.

If I click against on your poll I am simply saying I dont want it mentioned. I want it mentioned and that mention should oppose TPP.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
10. You're right. Looking closer, they voted not to oppose it.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 05:21 PM
Jun 2016

Still not good IMO but yes, it is different.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
12. Uncertain - I suspect this is much more subtle than it looks.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 05:48 PM
Jun 2016

I suspect that a lot of people are answering the question "TTP: are you for it or against it?" as a proxy for the question actually asked, which deals with tactics and is probably harder to answer without insider information.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
16. tariffs are bad for the economy, however, its not as if there wouldn't be
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 07:14 PM
Jun 2016

a way to disincentivize offshoring. I think both can be done.

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