2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumScotland and Northern Ireland question.
If they vote to secede from Great Britain what recourse does Britain have and if they secede will Britain be referred to as Great Britain any more?
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)and Scotland can't secede from the island without a massive geological intervention. They can secede from the UK. The UK doesn't really have any recourse.
Great Britain will still be called Great Britain.
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ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)Very informative.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)Become it's own Country or join with the Republic of Ireland? Is the issue of Religion as much a factor as it was in the past, especially with the younger generation?
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)my relations in NI say they are not happy with the vote to leave the EU, but they are a bit less upset about it than Scotland. That said, the idea of having to treat the Republic like a "foreign" country, with border patrols, check points, tariffs, visas, import/export duties, etc, does NOT sit well.
NI could leave the UK and join the EU, or simply reunite with the Republic and automatically be back in the EU. All choices are fraught with political/social peril.
FSogol
(45,520 posts)OnDoutside
(19,968 posts)Ireland's relationship with the UK as a special case, due to the massive amount of trade between each other. Bear in mind, that Ireland is the 10th largest trading partner with the UK, in terms of imports into the UK, and 5th in exports.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Which has, at the moment, been rejected out of hand by the Prime and First Ministers.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-ireland-idUSKCN0ZA0NX
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Why don't you idiots tell us again how we need Trump...."
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I just claim genetics from the island, I don't actually live there
Hell, I couldn't tell you about the price of milk where I do live. I leave that to those lactose-digesting neotenic freakshows.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)That does seem like hyperbole though.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The Pound is at its lowest point since 1985. It dropped 7.1% against the dollar. Which apparently looks like this:
OnDoutside
(19,968 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)tomorrow, I'll ask her.
OnDoutside
(19,968 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,372 posts)which might have better odds. Yes, it shares a border with the ROI. But it shares history and religious culture with Scotland.
Either way, I believe that there will be a break-up from the UK.
Ilsa
(61,697 posts)about the border of NI and Ireland, that Brexit didn't consider their issues, etc. Residents will to use their passports, whereas before, since 1998, they could travel more freely.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)The official name is "United Kingdom"
NI won't secede because it is not viable on its own and has deep rooted divisions between Catholics and Unionists which makes merger with Ireland impossible.
Scotland can secede and be viable on its own but it is unlikely to happen.
My prediction is that a new PM will order another referendum and suspend Brexit. It was a cocky Tory miscalculation that led to this referendum in the first place. Cameron was so sure of a "remain" that he did it as a political ploy to show his strength to labour and UKIP. It backfired and so he resigned.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)jumping off a cliff after eating cyanide.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)and setting yourself on fire on the way down
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,372 posts)the "United Kingdom," but the longhand version is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland." "Great Britain" refers to the island containing Scotland, England and Wales.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)The "official" name is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". The term "Great Britain" is still used to refer to the island of Great Britain which houses England, Scotland and Wales.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)"The United Kingdom" is the name of the nation that rules that island, most of the oyutlying islands nearby, and some enclaves elsewhere besides.
JSup
(740 posts)'The United Kingdom' is the 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'.
If Northern Ireland and Scotland were able to leave it would probably be 'The United Kingdom of England and Wales'.
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)And I think the Scots and the Irish are willing to let them be very isolated as well. A lot of people that supported staying in the UK have changed their minds overnight.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,354 posts)ie passed in both the House of Commons and Lords. That is where sovereignty lies (royal assent is needed too; this has not been a problem for a law for about 300 years - all arguments are sorted out before it gets to that stage). The Scottish Parliament or Northern Ireland Assembly can hold a referendum, or even declare independence, but unless other countries decide to recognise them as independent, that would be meaningless, and no major country is going to do that until the UK parliament has agreed to it. So the UK has plenty of 'recourse'. But if either nation makes a good case, the pressure on the UK to split, somewhat amicably, will be intense.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Awkward situation of warning to support those that want independence, and our ties to England.NI and Scotland could make life very difficult for whomever our future SoS and UN Ambassador.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,354 posts)about the membership of an organisation. This is literally a First World Problem.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Are plenty of former British colonies that would support such a move.