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[laserhaas]

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Will things change when Trump is overthrown; and someone like Mitten's steps in?

GOP wants anyone (Any ONE) to run against Hillary, other than The Donald.

Just sayin......

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This just in ...Romney's guy named RNC Rules Committee Chair

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/06/18/romney-ally-named-convention-rules-committee-chair/

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Another Romney guy is now named as co-chair of the Rules Committee

{MITT} Republicans Fill Crucial Posts Ahead of July Convention

The Republican National Committee has found someone to do what could be an intensely challenging job in July: serve as chairwoman of the Rules Committee at the party’s convention being held in Cleveland.

Mickelson accepted the post amid reports this week of some delegates planning to block Donald Trump’s nomination.

If such efforts gain traction, decisions made by the Rules Committee during meetings before the convention could have a big impact on how things play out.

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Ron Kaufman, a longtime RNC committeeman from Massachusetts who is a Romney confidant, will serve as co-chairman of the Rules Committee.

Somethin's a happen'n

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	GOP will usurp Trump
	5 (17%)
	It will be Hillary v Donald
	18 (62%)
	Pittens will come
	0 (0%)
	Both Conventions will be a Civil War zone
	5 (17%)
	Who cares
	1 (3%)
	Laser the Liquidatir has liquidated his own mind
	0 (0%)
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[OKNancy]

1. They are not going to get rid of Trump. They can't

The Trump people would go ballistic.

[laserhaas]

2. And that particular dynamic would prove the need.

They have to usurp Trump; and there's tons of hints it is on the way.

Our nation is already a laughing stock he's this close.

The GOP may never recover.

Plus...if they are able to manipulate the Electoral..to prevent HRC from getting the magic number

Congress gets to pick the President

[Lord Magus]

6. No there are not any hints it is on the way. Just wishful thinking.

No matter how much they might want to get rid of Trump they lack any ability to do so.

[laserhaas]

21. So says the expert on RNC Rules

Dont think so

[Lord Magus]

41. The rules are pretty simple regarding pledged delegates.

Trump has far too many delegates to take the nomination away from him.

[laserhaas]

47. You will swallow those words

[Lord Magus]

50. No, I won't.

You, however, are likely to vanish once DU goes back to having rules.

[John Poet]

36. Trump's own delegates would have to turn against him,

and that isn't likely. Anyway most of them are likely committed ("pledged&quot to a first-ballot vote for Trump.

[laserhaas]

37. Yhats one if a dozen hypotheses

[Lord Magus]

42. No, it is not a hypothesis. It's a fact.

Pledged delegates are required to vote for the candidate they represent on the first ballot. No matter how obsessed you are with this bizarre theory of Trump getting replaced at the convention, that doesn't change.

[laserhaas]

48. Waste of time

[moonscape]

78. That would be the lesser of their evils, though.

The Republicans have been hostage to the Tea Partiers, and now that they see what the TP crowd does, what do they have to lose?

They can stand for principle (dump Trump) or go along and be destroyed anyway, and more thoroughly.

If they dumped the Trump, they could have an outside chance of taking the Presidency (don't think so, but a lot can happen before November). As it is, they lose the Presidency and most likely the Senate.

What would the Trump people do? Go on a media rampage? Riot and burn in the streets?

With his soaring unfavorables, and needing to campaign in Texas to find kindred spirits, I wonder just how much support he has left to carry any of that out anyway.

[TDale313]

3. It'll be Hillary v Trump

And the establishment Repubs and monied interests have already signaled if that's the case they're just fine with Hillary, tyvm. They'll leave their party to the crazies and continue the decades-long takeover of ours.

[chwaliszewski]

51. You may be truer than you realize...

The GOP could be on its way out simply because the DNC is being hijacked by Wall St. Don't think it's possible? Think again. The Party of Lincoln used to be liberals until the switch was made. This is an interesting read about political parties changing their philosophy. http://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. The suggestion that the Trumpists would allow the nomination to be stolen from their guy

The suggestion that the Trumpists would allow the nomination to be stolen from their guy without violence is not moored in reality.

[TheCowsCameHome]

5. It won't be Trump.

Plan accordingly.

[Lord Magus]

8. It already is Trump.

Planning on the basis of fantasy would be insane.

[TheCowsCameHome]

11. Insane is his game.

You and the Dems are going to get caught with your pants down.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Some of this aberrant nonsense

Some of this aberrant nonsense that the GOP will dump Trump in the hope of fielding a more ostensibly electable candidate and risk the wrath of his unhinged acolytes is the motivated reasoning of some supporters of Hillary Clinton's vanquished opponents who want to see her defeated.

Let not your heart be troubled. Hillary Clinton will hand any Republican nominee for president his or her rancid ass.

[GulfCoast66]

79. The sad last fantasy

That when the republicans ditch trump we democrats will see the light and turn en mass to the logical candidate...Bernie!!

What will their reaction be when(if) Bernie supports Hillary.

Even more curious, if Hillary wins in a landslide, where do they go?

[AgadorSparticus]

81. They will go to the land of buttercups where they will have to suck it up.

[laserhaas]

22. Exactly

At the barest onf minimums there must be some sort of terpitude clause, ambiguous enough to allow the powers that be ...some sort of out

[stevenleser]

61. There is. But once you hear it you will understand how unlikely it is.

There is one and only one way the RNC can get rid of Trump and its simple and also nearly impossible.

The rules committee meets at the beginning of the convention to determine the rules for the convention on all kinds of things including how the delegates vote. They could institute a rule that effectively disqualifies Trump from the nomination. Something like, "to receive delegate votes, you have to have held an elected office as a Republican."

So, fine, they institute this rule. Simple right?

Slight problem.

For the rule to be accepted and put into force, a majority of the delegates to the convention have to approve it. That doesnt sound so bad right? Here is the problem, guess who has won 2/3rds of the delegates to the convention? Trump. And the people who are those delegates were selected by Trumps campaign for their loyalty to Trump.

For Trump to be pushed out, his own delegates would have to abandon him en masse. And we would likely hear that something like that was afoot long before the convention started.

No one would like that scenario more than me. I would camp out there just to watch it unfold. But it is extraordinarily unlikely.

[laserhaas]

68. They've had year plus to plan this out

And Mitt wouldn't be getting his ppl into position, for no reason.

We'll soon see

[stevenleser]

69. There is nothing to plan. They either can pull Trumps delegates over or not. nt

[laserhaas]

72. It is a contractual issue

And the odds are (given the nature of the beast and very recent manoeuvres) that Mitt is coming

[stevenleser]

74. Nope, and nope. Mitts not coming and its an emotional issue not a contractual one.

If the emotions of enough Trump delegates are won over to the side that wants to get rid of him, they can.

Otherwise they can't.

[laserhaas]

76. The only thing emotional...is Trump not being in on it

Then ..the Donald will throw a national temper tantrum

And that's worth watching...also

[Logical]

80. I agree! They are going to replace him!

[laserhaas]

83. The press gave him $2 billion in free publicity

And that's now at an end

[Juicy_Bellows]

7. A possibility is that Trump bows out himself.

He could cite a litany of reasons. For example, he says I have to bow out due to medical issues and I want all of you to know that I fully support X.

This scenario is plausible in my opinion. Donald gets what he wants (never believed he truly wants the job) and the RNC gets to pick a better candidate.

[Lord Magus]

9. Trump is far too egotistical for that. -nt-

[Juicy_Bellows]

12. Few people are as narcissistic as the orange one but

he is for himself more than anything. The RNC approaches him and pitches this idea. He sells it to the public and he still retains a lot of power over the party without having to do much. He can get his crazy media idea off the ground sooner as well, I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility.

[TheCowsCameHome]

17. Trump is far too egotistical

to run and wind up as a loser.

Between the GOP and his own ego, he will be gone.

[PoliticAverse]

20. What if they make him an offer he can't refu$$$$$e? n/t

[TheCowsCameHome]

10. Yup, he's know for deal-making

Watch for his biggest one yet.

[Lord Magus]

13. No, he's known for saying he's known for deal-making.

That's not the same thing.

[laserhaas]

23. Also a possibility

[musicblind]

34. Medical reasons? He is the healthiest man to ever run for president in the history of the world!

Remember? ....

[Juicy_Bellows]

35. Whatever excuse he gives will be a ruse.

You're right, he is the six million dollar man.

[laserhaas]

38. A ruse...In Politics!

pshaw

[scscholar]

14. Sad to see the media forced it to be a week later

They always stand against us. Stand against us.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. It is infinitely better to go last.

[SFnomad]

18. What do you mean the "media" forced it to be a week later?

It's been tradition that between the Democrats and the Republicans that the party that is currently in power has their convention last. The last few conventions have only been a week apart ... though they have been as much a little over a month apart in the past.

[Lord Magus]

19. The incumbent party always holds the later convention.

And holding the later convention is considered an advantage.

[laserhaas]

24. Here...it gives an advantage

Of knowing what is currently

a mystery

[Lord Magus]

40. It's not any mystery who the Republican nominee will be.

Quit pretending that it is.

[laserhaas]

44. You're joking..right?

[Lord Magus]

46. No, your nonsense about Trump being replaced is a joke.

You just don't seem to realize it.

[laserhaas]

25. I cant believe how obtuse, most are, to the deal Trump

The "Art of tge Deal" ...maker

Can Make

For handing his delegates over to a better contender

[vintx]

26. HRC supporters better hope to God it's her vs. Trump.

[swhisper1]

27. true, or she loses

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. Why?

By my count the Clintons are 11-2 in their battles with the Repukes. I like them odds.

[MFM008]

28. They need to have their nose rubbed

into the steaming, stinking, fly covered pile that is Rump.
Frankenstein made this monster and they may be killed by it.
They need an EPIC loss that puts them in a major minority
and puts them in the same category as the WHIG party.

Eat it gop

[laserhaas]

29. The one possible positive of HRC v Donald

[TheBlackAdder]

30. Good timing. Didn't the GOP steal Obama's thunder by having their 2008 convention right afterwards?

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There was something that deflated the elation of that event. I kind of think it was the unveiling of Sarah Palin.


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[laserhaas]

31. Mitt is coming and hopes it will be GOP v DEM banter

So much so

Nobody will pay attention...to his Robber Baron (racketeering) record

[bigwillq]

32. It has to be Hillary vs Trump

Unless death or disaster strikes either candidate. The people have spoken.

[KingFlorez]

33. The new meme is Trump being overthrown

Trump isn't going anywhere. Sorry.

[Lord Magus]

43. Some of the Bernie die-hards have latched onto this as something that would give him the nom.

Apparently they think that if the RNC decides to be completely undemocratic and somehow give the nomination to somebody other than the primary winner, the DNC will do the same and anoint Bernie as the nominee because...reasons?

[laserhaas]

45. Much more logical than the position

Of our best is Clinton

[Lord Magus]

49. Nothing could be less logical than disenfranchising every voter by saying the primaries don't matter

and just anointing the losing candidate as the nominee.

[tirebiter]

52. I'm not that prescient but

water flows downhill and the political rivers are are flowing.

[Warren Stupidity]

53. You do understand that Trump has pledged votes

for a first round victory, right?

Barring an implausible withdrawal, the RNC woukd have to change the rules to keep him out and doing that would blow up their party. They are screwed. They are stuck with trump.

[HereSince1628]

54. IMO some are turning to radical solutions

For them leaving the radicals of the tea-jad stranded and setting the ship on fire is a good thing

They don't want the party as it exists with it's infestations.

The rescue of what I will call refugee republicans is almost assured as the dems juggernaut has been triangulating just upwind.

[Warren Stupidity]

55. Still doesn't make sense to me.

They would be better off just sitting out the 2016 election, letting Trump go down in flames, and then resuming control in 2020. Blowing up the party would be a huge risk, one that could put the tea-ha dists in control permanently

The Bush-Romney wing will just sit this one out. The less powerful ones will go through the motions of supporting Trump.

[HereSince1628]

56. Except that overall the Neoliberals are offered a chance to reorganize

into something that reaches a bit more to the right of dems to capture the republican center.

The NeoCons, Armitage, the Bushes... the list of people looking for haven in the NeoDems is startng to include 'traditional' republicans as well as what we once called movement republicans.

Such a thing will irrevocably change the nature of political alliances as well as enemies lists.

[laserhaas]

57. Not true...executive privilege inside parties

is a matter of rules making per the ambiguity the rules provide.

Mitt wants to come and...obviously...any GOPr wants a run against the Hillary baggage machine

As is eveident by the placing of a Mittens man to be Chairman of the Rules Committee

In short order...we'll know...for sure

[Warren Stupidity]

58. There are no ambiguities in pledged delegates

and votes needed for nomination. Trump has the nomination unless the unambiguous rules are unambiguously changed to take that away from him.

[laserhaas]

59. There's ambiguities in the rule making process

Because Romney wrote new rules last time...he intends to change once more...this time

You really believe the party of shut down the natiin isnt prepared to shut down Trump?

[stevenleser]

63. Romney had won the majority of the delegates, thats how he was able to do it. nt

[stevenleser]

62. See my #61 above. Even a rule change probably can't be effected if they wanted to.

They are stuck with him.

He would have to do something so colossally bad that his most loyal followers, i.e. his delegates, would go along with a rules change that would disqualify him.

[laserhaas]

65. You assume you are an expert in such things

And there are many other variables to consider.

Such as Trump really not wanting the job;
and this is all a show...for him to hand it over.

[stevenleser]

67. I assume nothing. I read up on it, which seems to put me at least one step ahead of you

I'm also not pretending I know what is going on in Trumps head.

[laserhaas]

70. Reading up on it, making a statement as if it is fact

Is either qualified (expert)

Or unqualified (not an expert).

I..on the other hand...am...a expert on Pittens. And I've been telling ...everybody who would listen...that Romney is coming.

His 2 gal & pal becoming Co-Chairs of the Rules Committee.. most certainly is indicative

[stevenleser]

71. It's not that complicated once you actually read about it.

Using math as a metaphor, it's arithmetic, not geometry or calculus.

But you have to read it.

[laserhaas]

73. Well...Ive already laid bets at 2..3..and 4 to 1 Mitts coming

And it looks like Christmas is also coming...early ..this yr

[stevenleser]

75. People lose bets all the time, particularly when they don't know the rules of the game. nt

[laserhaas]

60. Update numero dos

^^^^^ ^^^^^^

[LiberalFighter]

64. If Trump doesn't drop out himself. The RNC is screwed regardless of what they do.

1) Trump is the nominee. Republicans refuse to vote for Trump.

2) RNC manipulate the rules to replace Trump. His supporters become enraged or just say the hell with it. See 3 below.

3) Trump drops out. RNC has to figure out who to nominate. Because it is late they are behind in fundraising and campaign organization.

[laserhaas]

66. Mitt could raise a billion from 10 men

And he owns Clear Channel (iHeart)

[stevenleser]

77. He could raise $100 trillion, it won't help him because he can't get the nomination. nt

[AgadorSparticus]

82. Honestly, I don't see how they can possibly get rid of Trump.

Honestly, it would not be right. Republican voters overwhelmingly voted him as their nominee. To go with anyone else at this point is fascism. I hate the gop and everything they and trump stand for, but it was part of the democratic process of voting. Voting, for all of its issues, is the cornerstone of democracy and we have to adhere to it. He won the popular vote. The people have spoken and he needs to be their nominee.

And we need to work like hell to make sure that's all he will ever be.

[robbedvoter]

84. I voted "who cares" because there's no way GOP digs itself out of

the mess on their hands. I bet they wish they had super-delegates.

[Mr Maru]

85. GOP is stuck with that guy

Ryan is setting himself up to be "the great savior" in 2020. And then he can lose to HRC too.