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laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:04 PM Jun 2016

Dem Convention is a Week after GOP

Last edited Sun Jun 19, 2016, 06:52 PM - Edit history (2)

Will things change when Trump is overthrown; and someone like Mitten's steps in?

GOP wants anyone (Any ONE) to run against Hillary, other than The Donald.

Just sayin......

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This just in ...Romney's guy named RNC Rules Committee Chair

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/06/18/romney-ally-named-convention-rules-committee-chair/

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Another Romney guy is now named as co-chair of the Rules Committee

{MITT} Republicans Fill Crucial Posts Ahead of July Convention

The Republican National Committee has found someone to do what could be an intensely challenging job in July: serve as chairwoman of the Rules Committee at the party’s convention being held in Cleveland.

Mickelson accepted the post amid reports this week of some delegates planning to block Donald Trump’s nomination.

If such efforts gain traction, decisions made by the Rules Committee during meetings before the convention could have a big impact on how things play out.

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Ron Kaufman, a longtime RNC committeeman from Massachusetts who is a Romney confidant, will serve as co-chairman of the Rules Committee.


Somethin's a happen'n


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Dem Convention is a Week after GOP (Original Post) laserhaas Jun 2016 OP
They are not going to get rid of Trump. They can't OKNancy Jun 2016 #1
And that particular dynamic would prove the need. laserhaas Jun 2016 #2
No there are not any hints it is on the way. Just wishful thinking. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #6
So says the expert on RNC Rules laserhaas Jun 2016 #21
The rules are pretty simple regarding pledged delegates. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #41
You will swallow those words laserhaas Jun 2016 #47
No, I won't. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #50
Trump's own delegates would have to turn against him, John Poet Jun 2016 #36
Yhats one if a dozen hypotheses laserhaas Jun 2016 #37
No, it is not a hypothesis. It's a fact. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #42
Waste of time laserhaas Jun 2016 #48
That would be the lesser of their evils, though. moonscape Jun 2016 #78
It'll be Hillary v Trump TDale313 Jun 2016 #3
You may be truer than you realize... chwaliszewski Jun 2016 #51
The suggestion that the Trumpists would allow the nomination to be stolen from their guy DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #4
It won't be Trump. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #5
It already is Trump. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #8
Insane is his game. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #11
Some of this aberrant nonsense DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #15
The sad last fantasy GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #79
They will go to the land of buttercups where they will have to suck it up. AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #81
Exactly laserhaas Jun 2016 #22
There is. But once you hear it you will understand how unlikely it is. stevenleser Jun 2016 #61
They've had year plus to plan this out laserhaas Jun 2016 #68
There is nothing to plan. They either can pull Trumps delegates over or not. nt stevenleser Jun 2016 #69
It is a contractual issue laserhaas Jun 2016 #72
Nope, and nope. Mitts not coming and its an emotional issue not a contractual one. stevenleser Jun 2016 #74
The only thing emotional...is Trump not being in on it laserhaas Jun 2016 #76
I agree! They are going to replace him! Logical Jun 2016 #80
The press gave him $2 billion in free publicity laserhaas Jun 2016 #83
A possibility is that Trump bows out himself. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #7
Trump is far too egotistical for that. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #9
Few people are as narcissistic as the orange one but Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #12
Trump is far too egotistical TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #17
What if they make him an offer he can't refu$$$$$e? n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #20
Yup, he's know for deal-making TheCowsCameHome Jun 2016 #10
No, he's known for saying he's known for deal-making. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #13
Also a possibility laserhaas Jun 2016 #23
Medical reasons? He is the healthiest man to ever run for president in the history of the world! musicblind Jun 2016 #34
Whatever excuse he gives will be a ruse. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #35
A ruse...In Politics! laserhaas Jun 2016 #38
Sad to see the media forced it to be a week later scscholar Jun 2016 #14
It is infinitely better to go last. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #16
What do you mean the "media" forced it to be a week later? SFnomad Jun 2016 #18
The incumbent party always holds the later convention. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #19
Here...it gives an advantage laserhaas Jun 2016 #24
It's not any mystery who the Republican nominee will be. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #40
You're joking..right? laserhaas Jun 2016 #44
No, your nonsense about Trump being replaced is a joke. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #46
I cant believe how obtuse, most are, to the deal Trump laserhaas Jun 2016 #25
HRC supporters better hope to God it's her vs. Trump. vintx Jun 2016 #26
true, or she loses swhisper1 Jun 2016 #27
Why? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #39
They need to have their nose rubbed MFM008 Jun 2016 #28
The one possible positive of HRC v Donald laserhaas Jun 2016 #29
Good timing. Didn't the GOP steal Obama's thunder by having their 2008 convention right afterwards? TheBlackAdder Jun 2016 #30
Mitt is coming and hopes it will be GOP v DEM banter laserhaas Jun 2016 #31
It has to be Hillary vs Trump bigwillq Jun 2016 #32
The new meme is Trump being overthrown KingFlorez Jun 2016 #33
Some of the Bernie die-hards have latched onto this as something that would give him the nom. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #43
Much more logical than the position laserhaas Jun 2016 #45
Nothing could be less logical than disenfranchising every voter by saying the primaries don't matter Lord Magus Jun 2016 #49
I'm not that prescient but tirebiter Jun 2016 #52
You do understand that Trump has pledged votes Warren Stupidity Jun 2016 #53
IMO some are turning to radical solutions HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #54
Still doesn't make sense to me. Warren Stupidity Jun 2016 #55
Except that overall the Neoliberals are offered a chance to reorganize HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #56
Not true...executive privilege inside parties laserhaas Jun 2016 #57
There are no ambiguities in pledged delegates Warren Stupidity Jun 2016 #58
There's ambiguities in the rule making process laserhaas Jun 2016 #59
Romney had won the majority of the delegates, thats how he was able to do it. nt stevenleser Jun 2016 #63
See my #61 above. Even a rule change probably can't be effected if they wanted to. stevenleser Jun 2016 #62
You assume you are an expert in such things laserhaas Jun 2016 #65
I assume nothing. I read up on it, which seems to put me at least one step ahead of you stevenleser Jun 2016 #67
Reading up on it, making a statement as if it is fact laserhaas Jun 2016 #70
It's not that complicated once you actually read about it. stevenleser Jun 2016 #71
Well...Ive already laid bets at 2..3..and 4 to 1 Mitts coming laserhaas Jun 2016 #73
People lose bets all the time, particularly when they don't know the rules of the game. nt stevenleser Jun 2016 #75
Update numero dos laserhaas Jun 2016 #60
If Trump doesn't drop out himself. The RNC is screwed regardless of what they do. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #64
Mitt could raise a billion from 10 men laserhaas Jun 2016 #66
He could raise $100 trillion, it won't help him because he can't get the nomination. nt stevenleser Jun 2016 #77
Honestly, I don't see how they can possibly get rid of Trump. AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #82
I voted "who cares" because there's no way GOP digs itself out of robbedvoter Jun 2016 #84
GOP is stuck with that guy Mr Maru Jun 2016 #85
 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
2. And that particular dynamic would prove the need.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:12 PM
Jun 2016

They have to usurp Trump; and there's tons of hints it is on the way.

Our nation is already a laughing stock he's this close.

The GOP may never recover.

Plus...if they are able to manipulate the Electoral..to prevent HRC from getting the magic number

Congress gets to pick the President

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
6. No there are not any hints it is on the way. Just wishful thinking.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:19 PM
Jun 2016

No matter how much they might want to get rid of Trump they lack any ability to do so.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
41. The rules are pretty simple regarding pledged delegates.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:40 AM
Jun 2016

Trump has far too many delegates to take the nomination away from him.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
36. Trump's own delegates would have to turn against him,
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 11:15 PM
Jun 2016

and that isn't likely. Anyway most of them are likely committed ("pledged&quot to a first-ballot vote for Trump.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
42. No, it is not a hypothesis. It's a fact.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:42 AM
Jun 2016

Pledged delegates are required to vote for the candidate they represent on the first ballot. No matter how obsessed you are with this bizarre theory of Trump getting replaced at the convention, that doesn't change.

moonscape

(4,671 posts)
78. That would be the lesser of their evils, though.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:30 PM
Jun 2016

The Republicans have been hostage to the Tea Partiers, and now that they see what the TP crowd does, what do they have to lose?

They can stand for principle (dump Trump) or go along and be destroyed anyway, and more thoroughly.

If they dumped the Trump, they could have an outside chance of taking the Presidency (don't think so, but a lot can happen before November). As it is, they lose the Presidency and most likely the Senate.

What would the Trump people do? Go on a media rampage? Riot and burn in the streets?

With his soaring unfavorables, and needing to campaign in Texas to find kindred spirits, I wonder just how much support he has left to carry any of that out anyway.


TDale313

(7,820 posts)
3. It'll be Hillary v Trump
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:17 PM
Jun 2016

And the establishment Repubs and monied interests have already signaled if that's the case they're just fine with Hillary, tyvm. They'll leave their party to the crazies and continue the decades-long takeover of ours.

chwaliszewski

(1,514 posts)
51. You may be truer than you realize...
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 03:42 AM
Jun 2016

The GOP could be on its way out simply because the DNC is being hijacked by Wall St. Don't think it's possible? Think again. The Party of Lincoln used to be liberals until the switch was made. This is an interesting read about political parties changing their philosophy. http://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
4. The suggestion that the Trumpists would allow the nomination to be stolen from their guy
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:17 PM
Jun 2016

The suggestion that the Trumpists would allow the nomination to be stolen from their guy without violence is not moored in reality.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
15. Some of this aberrant nonsense
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:34 PM
Jun 2016

Some of this aberrant nonsense that the GOP will dump Trump in the hope of fielding a more ostensibly electable candidate and risk the wrath of his unhinged acolytes is the motivated reasoning of some supporters of Hillary Clinton's vanquished opponents who want to see her defeated.

Let not your heart be troubled. Hillary Clinton will hand any Republican nominee for president his or her rancid ass.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
79. The sad last fantasy
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:44 PM
Jun 2016

That when the republicans ditch trump we democrats will see the light and turn en mass to the logical candidate...Bernie!!

What will their reaction be when(if) Bernie supports Hillary.

Even more curious, if Hillary wins in a landslide, where do they go?

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
22. Exactly
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 07:59 PM
Jun 2016

At the barest onf minimums there must be some sort of terpitude clause, ambiguous enough to allow the powers that be ...some sort of out

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
61. There is. But once you hear it you will understand how unlikely it is.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 08:25 PM
Jun 2016

There is one and only one way the RNC can get rid of Trump and its simple and also nearly impossible.

The rules committee meets at the beginning of the convention to determine the rules for the convention on all kinds of things including how the delegates vote. They could institute a rule that effectively disqualifies Trump from the nomination. Something like, "to receive delegate votes, you have to have held an elected office as a Republican."

So, fine, they institute this rule. Simple right?

Slight problem.

For the rule to be accepted and put into force, a majority of the delegates to the convention have to approve it. That doesnt sound so bad right? Here is the problem, guess who has won 2/3rds of the delegates to the convention? Trump. And the people who are those delegates were selected by Trumps campaign for their loyalty to Trump.

For Trump to be pushed out, his own delegates would have to abandon him en masse. And we would likely hear that something like that was afoot long before the convention started.

No one would like that scenario more than me. I would camp out there just to watch it unfold. But it is extraordinarily unlikely.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
68. They've had year plus to plan this out
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:05 PM
Jun 2016

And Mitt wouldn't be getting his ppl into position, for no reason.

We'll soon see

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
72. It is a contractual issue
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:13 PM
Jun 2016

And the odds are (given the nature of the beast and very recent manoeuvres) that Mitt is coming

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
74. Nope, and nope. Mitts not coming and its an emotional issue not a contractual one.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:15 PM
Jun 2016

If the emotions of enough Trump delegates are won over to the side that wants to get rid of him, they can.

Otherwise they can't.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
76. The only thing emotional...is Trump not being in on it
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:18 PM
Jun 2016

Then ..the Donald will throw a national temper tantrum

And that's worth watching...also

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
7. A possibility is that Trump bows out himself.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:20 PM
Jun 2016

He could cite a litany of reasons. For example, he says I have to bow out due to medical issues and I want all of you to know that I fully support X.

This scenario is plausible in my opinion. Donald gets what he wants (never believed he truly wants the job) and the RNC gets to pick a better candidate.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
12. Few people are as narcissistic as the orange one but
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:26 PM
Jun 2016

he is for himself more than anything. The RNC approaches him and pitches this idea. He sells it to the public and he still retains a lot of power over the party without having to do much. He can get his crazy media idea off the ground sooner as well, I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,167 posts)
17. Trump is far too egotistical
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:39 PM
Jun 2016

to run and wind up as a loser.

Between the GOP and his own ego, he will be gone.

musicblind

(4,484 posts)
34. Medical reasons? He is the healthiest man to ever run for president in the history of the world!
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 11:02 PM
Jun 2016

Remember? ....

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
18. What do you mean the "media" forced it to be a week later?
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:47 PM
Jun 2016

It's been tradition that between the Democrats and the Republicans that the party that is currently in power has their convention last. The last few conventions have only been a week apart ... though they have been as much a little over a month apart in the past.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
19. The incumbent party always holds the later convention.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 06:48 PM
Jun 2016

And holding the later convention is considered an advantage.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
25. I cant believe how obtuse, most are, to the deal Trump
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 08:14 PM
Jun 2016

The "Art of tge Deal" ...maker

Can Make

For handing his delegates over to a better contender

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
28. They need to have their nose rubbed
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 08:44 PM
Jun 2016

into the steaming, stinking, fly covered pile that is Rump.
Frankenstein made this monster and they may be killed by it.
They need an EPIC loss that puts them in a major minority
and puts them in the same category as the WHIG party.

Eat it gop

TheBlackAdder

(28,155 posts)
30. Good timing. Didn't the GOP steal Obama's thunder by having their 2008 convention right afterwards?
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 10:33 PM
Jun 2016

.


There was something that deflated the elation of that event. I kind of think it was the unveiling of Sarah Palin.


.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
31. Mitt is coming and hopes it will be GOP v DEM banter
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 10:38 PM
Jun 2016

So much so

Nobody will pay attention...to his Robber Baron (racketeering) record

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
32. It has to be Hillary vs Trump
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 10:46 PM
Jun 2016

Unless death or disaster strikes either candidate. The people have spoken.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
43. Some of the Bernie die-hards have latched onto this as something that would give him the nom.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:45 AM
Jun 2016

Apparently they think that if the RNC decides to be completely undemocratic and somehow give the nomination to somebody other than the primary winner, the DNC will do the same and anoint Bernie as the nominee because...reasons?

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
49. Nothing could be less logical than disenfranchising every voter by saying the primaries don't matter
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:58 AM
Jun 2016

and just anointing the losing candidate as the nominee.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
53. You do understand that Trump has pledged votes
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:32 AM
Jun 2016

for a first round victory, right?

Barring an implausible withdrawal, the RNC woukd have to change the rules to keep him out and doing that would blow up their party. They are screwed. They are stuck with trump.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
54. IMO some are turning to radical solutions
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 10:46 AM
Jun 2016

For them leaving the radicals of the tea-jad stranded and setting the ship on fire is a good thing

They don't want the party as it exists with it's infestations.

The rescue of what I will call refugee republicans is almost assured as the dems juggernaut has been triangulating just upwind.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
55. Still doesn't make sense to me.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:45 AM
Jun 2016

They would be better off just sitting out the 2016 election, letting Trump go down in flames, and then resuming control in 2020. Blowing up the party would be a huge risk, one that could put the tea-ha dists in control permanently

The Bush-Romney wing will just sit this one out. The less powerful ones will go through the motions of supporting Trump.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
56. Except that overall the Neoliberals are offered a chance to reorganize
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 11:53 AM
Jun 2016

into something that reaches a bit more to the right of dems to capture the republican center.

The NeoCons, Armitage, the Bushes... the list of people looking for haven in the NeoDems is startng to include 'traditional' republicans as well as what we once called movement republicans.

Such a thing will irrevocably change the nature of political alliances as well as enemies lists.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
57. Not true...executive privilege inside parties
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:28 PM
Jun 2016

is a matter of rules making per the ambiguity the rules provide.

Mitt wants to come and...obviously...any GOPr wants a run against the Hillary baggage machine

As is eveident by the placing of a Mittens man to be Chairman of the Rules Committee

In short order...we'll know...for sure

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
58. There are no ambiguities in pledged delegates
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:39 PM
Jun 2016

and votes needed for nomination. Trump has the nomination unless the unambiguous rules are unambiguously changed to take that away from him.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
59. There's ambiguities in the rule making process
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 12:42 PM
Jun 2016

Because Romney wrote new rules last time...he intends to change once more...this time

You really believe the party of shut down the natiin isnt prepared to shut down Trump?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
62. See my #61 above. Even a rule change probably can't be effected if they wanted to.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 08:28 PM
Jun 2016

They are stuck with him.

He would have to do something so colossally bad that his most loyal followers, i.e. his delegates, would go along with a rules change that would disqualify him.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
65. You assume you are an expert in such things
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:00 PM
Jun 2016

And there are many other variables to consider.

Such as Trump really not wanting the job;
and this is all a show...for him to hand it over.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
67. I assume nothing. I read up on it, which seems to put me at least one step ahead of you
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:04 PM
Jun 2016

I'm also not pretending I know what is going on in Trumps head.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
70. Reading up on it, making a statement as if it is fact
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:10 PM
Jun 2016

Is either qualified (expert)

Or unqualified (not an expert).

I..on the other hand...am...a expert on Pittens. And I've been telling ...everybody who would listen...that Romney is coming.

His 2 gal & pal becoming Co-Chairs of the Rules Committee.. most certainly is indicative

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
71. It's not that complicated once you actually read about it.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:12 PM
Jun 2016

Using math as a metaphor, it's arithmetic, not geometry or calculus.

But you have to read it.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
73. Well...Ive already laid bets at 2..3..and 4 to 1 Mitts coming
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 09:14 PM
Jun 2016

And it looks like Christmas is also coming...early ..this yr

LiberalFighter

(50,749 posts)
64. If Trump doesn't drop out himself. The RNC is screwed regardless of what they do.
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 08:46 PM
Jun 2016

1) Trump is the nominee. Republicans refuse to vote for Trump.

2) RNC manipulate the rules to replace Trump. His supporters become enraged or just say the hell with it. See 3 below.

3) Trump drops out. RNC has to figure out who to nominate. Because it is late they are behind in fundraising and campaign organization.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
82. Honestly, I don't see how they can possibly get rid of Trump.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 12:16 AM
Jun 2016

Honestly, it would not be right. Republican voters overwhelmingly voted him as their nominee. To go with anyone else at this point is fascism. I hate the gop and everything they and trump stand for, but it was part of the democratic process of voting. Voting, for all of its issues, is the cornerstone of democracy and we have to adhere to it. He won the popular vote. The people have spoken and he needs to be their nominee.

And we need to work like hell to make sure that's all he will ever be.

robbedvoter

(28,290 posts)
84. I voted "who cares" because there's no way GOP digs itself out of
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 02:57 AM
Jun 2016

the mess on their hands. I bet they wish they had super-delegates.

Mr Maru

(216 posts)
85. GOP is stuck with that guy
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 04:51 AM
Jun 2016

Ryan is setting himself up to be "the great savior" in 2020. And then he can lose to HRC too.

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