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CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:07 AM Jun 2016

Sen. Warren Exposing Liberal Sexism

After Elizabeth Warren's endorsement of Hillary Clinton, we have seen an ugly strain of thought rising up among the 'progressive' left. Despite Bernie Sanders' position being that superdelegates should wait until the end of a primary to announce their support, and Warren doing exactly that, she is being viciously attacked for her endorsement of the Democratic nominee.

Her Facebook page and Twitter feed are being flooded with nasty comments branding her a traitor to the cause, which exposes an air of entitlement among some people, who feel that Warren owed it to them to do what they wanted.

More importantly, it exposes a startling degree of sexism among people who are supposed to be the most 'progressive' of us. Senator Merkely, Bernie's lone endorser in the Senate, has just flipped his allegiance and declared that he is supporting Hillary Clinton for President.

Where is the outrage? Where are the dozens of posts here calling him a sellout? Where are the hundreds of messages being sent to him that he has abandoned all of his principles?

This is the ugly truth we don't like to believe exists even among those of us on the left. One good Senator endorses the winner after the race is over, while another changes his vote to go with the winner, and it's the former who is facing pitchforks and torches.

It's sad, it's pathetic, and it reveals that 'progressives' aren't as righteous as they like to think.

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Sen. Warren Exposing Liberal Sexism (Original Post) CrowCityDem Jun 2016 OP
Does make you wonder doesn't it? leftofcool Jun 2016 #1
I don't wonder anymore. Bobbie Jo Jun 2016 #90
Merkely endorsed Bernie....Elizabeth Warren never did. That is the difference. Not sexism. virtualobserver Jun 2016 #2
You're wrong. Merkely abandoned Sanders, which should be worse, but Warren gets slammed. Sexism. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #3
Please. Warren could have helped Bernie in many ways. Warren is a national figure. virtualobserver Jun 2016 #10
A woman staying neutral is worse than a man abandoning Sanders. How does that make sense? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #12
That's what I thought, too. athena Jun 2016 #14
When it counted, Merkely was on board.Warren would have counted throughout the entire primary season virtualobserver Jun 2016 #15
'When it counted', Warren did what Bernie said all the SDs should have done. Do you now hate Bernie? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #18
What I expected from Warren was for her to put her money where her mouth was. virtualobserver Jun 2016 #21
You dislike her because of your own projections, not anything she actually said. Nice. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #25
Warren said "the game is rigged"....she did not support Bernie, who wanted to change that. virtualobserver Jun 2016 #29
You imply staying neutral is as bad as endorsing the 'wrong' candidate. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #31
....Far worse if she had endorsed Hillary during the primaries... So No, I do not imply that virtualobserver Jun 2016 #32
How do you get mad at someone for NOT taking side, other than assuming it was owed to you? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #36
She owes me nothing.....I just thought that she wanted to end the "rigged" system. virtualobserver Jun 2016 #37
Making an endorsement would have been taking part in the 'rigged' system. She let the voters decide. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #38
Warren knows what Clinton is standing on, she know Clinton is not all Sanders and supporters seabeyond Jun 2016 #46
What she believes is that Trump is far worse virtualobserver Jun 2016 #52
Warren has ALWAYS been supportive of Clinton and has only once challenged seabeyond Jun 2016 #57
no. Hillary embraces what Warren refers to as legalized bribery. virtualobserver Jun 2016 #66
See, Warner knows better. Hence being smart, like you all like her for. And moral. Knowing seabeyond Jun 2016 #67
Senator Elizabeth Warren liberal from boston Jun 2016 #114
She also applauded Clinton more than once. seabeyond Jun 2016 #115
Maybe she didn't rate Bernie RogueTrooper Jun 2016 #101
that could be virtualobserver Jun 2016 #103
"A woman staying neutral is worse than a man abandoning Sanders." workinclasszero Jun 2016 #92
You should remove those quotation marks. Marr Jun 2016 #135
She was never under any obligation to help Bernie. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #119
It has nothing to do with obligation virtualobserver Jun 2016 #121
Maybe GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #123
oh come on Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #7
Nonsense, for most of us, Elizabeth Warren was our first choice for President. virtualobserver Jun 2016 #11
It's easy to support a woman in the hypothetical. athena Jun 2016 #13
Not hypothetical. Progressives were begging Warren to run. virtualobserver Jun 2016 #17
You mean "Bernie supporters", who are now saying they don't want her as VP. athena Jun 2016 #19
They don't want her as VP because it would be meaningless. virtualobserver Jun 2016 #23
Not many Bernie supporters believed that. Turin_C3PO Jun 2016 #24
yes, until she was actually running Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #78
Interesting point! KNR Lucinda Jun 2016 #4
DWS, Clinton, PP Richardson, now Warren. When it was repeatedly said that if Warren seabeyond Jun 2016 #5
You're right. The whole "we're not sexist and would happily vote for Warren" argument athena Jun 2016 #16
Do you like Sarah Palin and Carly Fiorina? Think they should be president? Armstead Jun 2016 #28
What I do know, is I have had to stand with both women, and other RW women, with misogyny seabeyond Jun 2016 #30
What if someone says "Sara Palin says a lot of stupid things that are harmful." Armstead Jun 2016 #33
"Sara Palin says a lot of stupid things that are harmful." seabeyond Jun 2016 #39
Criticizing Warren for so exuberantly aligning with Clinton....... Armstead Jun 2016 #43
Thank you for the lecture on sexism and what you allow is, and is not sexism. seabeyond Jun 2016 #44
What-the-hell-ever Armstead Jun 2016 #62
So? I am not in existence to make those people feel good and that should have no baring on sexism seabeyond Jun 2016 #64
So right and wrong don't matter, it's all about your feels. JTFrog Jun 2016 #65
Right. JTFrog Jun 2016 #45
Right....It's all about sex. Always. Armstead Jun 2016 #59
Sexism exists. JTFrog Jun 2016 #61
Oh really? Gee I never noticed that. Armstead Jun 2016 #68
Those poor folks walking on eggshells all the time. JTFrog Jun 2016 #69
It;'s not about those poor folks...It's about whether you.... Armstead Jun 2016 #71
"You simply make your case irrelevant by ringing false alarms." JTFrog Jun 2016 #89
A discussion of an issue requires actual give and take Armstead Jun 2016 #93
Honest give and take? Like you doubling down about Clinton knowing her place was in the senate... bettyellen Jun 2016 #120
I stand by that Armstead Jun 2016 #122
No one bought it. And you've posted a load of sexist twaddle since, claiming it was okay because you bettyellen Jun 2016 #124
You make a really good point! mcar Jun 2016 #97
I used to like Palin before she got so bitter and angry Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #86
I agree. She was especially lovable when she referred to Obama "hanging out with terrorists" Armstead Jun 2016 #87
So what was the hate spewed choie Jun 2016 #49
People do not care one way or another about Sanders just as he does not put a lot of time and effort seabeyond Jun 2016 #51
It's as valid as the claim that Bernie supporters choie Jun 2016 #55
No it is not. I explained why. seabeyond Jun 2016 #58
What the hell. 'just as he does not put a lot of time and effort into his religion' JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #83
Saying Sanders is a "bad" Jew? Really? Give it a rest. I can't even think in those terms. seabeyond Jun 2016 #98
Given your post it is evident you do. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #99
No. Something you made up for argument sake. Damn aren't you tired of having to make shit up seabeyond Jun 2016 #100
Not win an argument, call out antisemitism when I see it. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #102
Some of it was. One vocal 840high Jun 2016 #128
Really? Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #6
Sounds like a Trumpster to me. GeorgeGist Jun 2016 #9
That's a bad comment but it undermines the OP's claim Armstead Jun 2016 #27
Why? spooky3 Jun 2016 #96
Eh? Did you read what Hillary Clinton supporters said about Nina Turner Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #8
Find one Hillary supporter who posted vile shit on her Facebook page? leftofcool Jun 2016 #116
I did. 840high Jun 2016 #129
Those darn progressives! HassleCat Jun 2016 #20
No freeper ever hated liberals more than our Sensible Pragmatic Centrists™ QC Jun 2016 #42
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #22
"I oppose President Clinton's agreement with the GOP to raise the SS retirement age." Armstead Jun 2016 #26
Liberals really are the shit. Octafish Jun 2016 #34
What ugly strain of thought? All I've seen is some mild criticism. Geesh. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #35
it's more like the reaction of jilted lovers, it's pathetic no matter how one views it nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #40
Merkely is an obscure senator, Warren is a media darling. tritsofme Jun 2016 #41
This has nothing to do with SEXISM and everything to do with WALL STREET jillan Jun 2016 #47
Merkely just endorsed the 'Wall Steet candidate'. Where the hate for him? Why only the woman? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #54
Because Merkley did not base his entire career ranting against Wall Street. There are clips jillan Jun 2016 #63
Flipping against Bernie isn't as bad as being neutral. That's logical. Lol. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #70
Because he actually put himself on the line and endorsed Bernie Armstead Jun 2016 #74
So it is about Bernie feeling entitled to her support. That's the only way it makes sense. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #77
You are claiming it is sexism. Armstead Jun 2016 #79
Demanding her fealty isn't. But only attacking her, not others in the same position, sure is. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #80
I just explained the difference Armstead Jun 2016 #82
It's illogical to say abandoning avowed support of Bernis isn't as bad as not supporting anyone. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #88
You're getting off your own topic Armstead Jun 2016 #94
You're a sexist if you oppose Wall Street's corruption and excessive political influence Armstead Jun 2016 #72
yep +10 840high Jun 2016 #130
Hillary won Mass. BS supporters stated that SDs should vote with the will of the people. Yavin4 Jun 2016 #48
The problem is hypocrisy.. choie Jun 2016 #53
Sen. Warren chose not to support your candidate. Yavin4 Jun 2016 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author Armstead Jun 2016 #75
She's going about it in a different way choie Jun 2016 #106
Wrong. Clinton is not and has never been what you and Sanders create her to be as Warren recognizes seabeyond Jun 2016 #107
You're wrong. choie Jun 2016 #108
While Sanders is good at accusing, he comes up with nothing. Warren of integrity, and in the system, seabeyond Jun 2016 #111
Then guess what? choie Jun 2016 #112
Opinions differ. seabeyond Jun 2016 #113
Yea and Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and others will keep you believing it. leftofcool Jun 2016 #118
It's stupid to attack Warren, but Merkely isn't as well known as her yurbud Jun 2016 #50
Boxer, Louis, The Latino woman in Nevada, Dws, Warren, PP Richardson, LBGT com, women that spoke out seabeyond Jun 2016 #56
Bullshit choie Jun 2016 #109
Yea, I saw those vile Bernie supporter posts on John Lewis page. leftofcool Jun 2016 #117
Exactly loyalsister Jun 2016 #91
The "New DU:" LWolf Jun 2016 #73
No liberals are too concervative, or too liberal or both...all that matters is Armstead Jun 2016 #76
That's truth. nt LWolf Jun 2016 #84
Who is this Rorschach guy, and why did he paint so many pictures of sexism against Hillary? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #81
Rorschach was a sexist.....or something I guess Armstead Jun 2016 #85
I don't think it is sexism... tom-servo Jun 2016 #95
I never knew who Merkeley was, had no particular hopes re- his endorsement. snot Jun 2016 #104
The attacks are sexist. The people I'm not judging. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #105
Uh huh. choie Jun 2016 #110
Thank you for posting. More light needs to shine on this. AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #125
Bunk swhisper1 Jun 2016 #126
Where's the "sexism" part? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #127
It's outlined in the first post. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #131
So, where's the "sexism" part? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #132
The sexism is... CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #133
Where's the sexism? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #134
But where are the myriad attacks on Merkely? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #137
Do you really think that the Sanders supporters here are "attacking" her because she's a woman? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #138
Not consciously, no. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #139
I think it's because she has become an icon of progressivism. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #140
Exactly!! nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #145
Do you have any idea how much these kneejerk, baseless cries of sexism are going to hurt Hillary's Marr Jun 2016 #136
Spot on! B Calm Jun 2016 #141
+1 Jon Ace Jun 2016 #144
The sexism has been evident all the primary season long, and I hate it, but I hate spelling errors CBHagman Jun 2016 #142
Give me a break... ThinkCritically Jun 2016 #143
A FB feed can be used to prove anything one wants about humanity. Orsino Jun 2016 #146
Kick CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #147
 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
10. Please. Warren could have helped Bernie in many ways. Warren is a national figure.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:34 AM
Jun 2016

Merkely is a minor figure by comparison.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
12. A woman staying neutral is worse than a man abandoning Sanders. How does that make sense?
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jun 2016

Other than saying that Bernie was ENTITLED to her support for some reason?

athena

(4,187 posts)
14. That's what I thought, too.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:40 AM
Jun 2016

If someone who had been a friend turned against me, I would be much more hurt than if they had never been a friend in the first place.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
15. When it counted, Merkely was on board.Warren would have counted throughout the entire primary season
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:41 AM
Jun 2016

She did not put herself on the line when we needed her.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
21. What I expected from Warren was for her to put her money where her mouth was.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:55 AM
Jun 2016

I expected that from her during the primary.

I don't consider her endorsement of Hillary as a candidate to be a betrayal.

She made a calculated decision, and it tells me something about her that is separate from her policy beliefs.



 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
29. Warren said "the game is rigged"....she did not support Bernie, who wanted to change that.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:06 AM
Jun 2016

She said "Wall St broke our economy"....now she endorses the hand picked candidate of Wall St.

I liked what she said. What I disliked was her unwillingness to stand up for Bernie when it really counted.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
36. How do you get mad at someone for NOT taking side, other than assuming it was owed to you?
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jun 2016

Putting that onus on someone is entirely your own doing, and is such an entitled position that I don't know how to justify it.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
37. She owes me nothing.....I just thought that she wanted to end the "rigged" system.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:22 AM
Jun 2016

Choosing the hand picked candidate of those who "rigged" it after failing to endorse the person who wanted to change that makes no sense to me.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
46. Warren knows what Clinton is standing on, she know Clinton is not all Sanders and supporters
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:13 PM
Jun 2016

created her as. Sanders has the fact and is not bigoted toward Clinton. She does not oppose Clinton mostly, because Clinton has very progressive policies, is informed, strong and knows what she is doing.

You and Sanders people are seeing it from your perspective, not Warrens.

You all say Warren is smart, bold and honest. But, when you do not like what Warren is saying about Clinton, she must have betrayed you. No. She is saying Sanders and supporters are wrong. That is not who Clinton is. She knows, she is a part.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
57. Warren has ALWAYS been supportive of Clinton and has only once challenged
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:31 PM
Jun 2016

her on a position, respectfully. Clinton listened to Warren and said, heard ya, and pretty cool your position.

You are creating soemthing that is not, to justify your position.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
67. See, Warner knows better. Hence being smart, like you all like her for. And moral. Knowing
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:40 PM
Jun 2016

that is not true, she won't pretend it is. Unlike Sanders.

114. Senator Elizabeth Warren
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:04 PM
Jun 2016

Senator Warren during the Primary issued a statement cheering Bernie on & urging him to stay in the race. Senators Sanders & Warren are liberals who promote progressive polices
 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
135. You should remove those quotation marks.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:49 AM
Jun 2016

You're quoting someone who is themselves mischaracterizing the another poster's position.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
121. It has nothing to do with obligation
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:54 PM
Jun 2016

I just expected more of her. I would have supported her for President if she had run. I hoped that she would support Bernie since they are practically of one voice on many issues.


GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
123. Maybe
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:28 PM
Jun 2016

She actually, you know, knows and has worked with him? And has decided he would make a shitty president. And only one of his Senate colleagues endorsed him. Just maybe?

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
11. Nonsense, for most of us, Elizabeth Warren was our first choice for President.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jun 2016

I would still be excited if she was nominated.

athena

(4,187 posts)
13. It's easy to support a woman in the hypothetical.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:39 AM
Jun 2016

In fact, it means nothing, zilch, to say that you would vote for a woman who is not actually running for president.

athena

(4,187 posts)
19. You mean "Bernie supporters", who are now saying they don't want her as VP.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:49 AM
Jun 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512170117

By the way, I am a progressive, and I am for Hillary. A person who cares only about income inequality and thinks that sexism and racism are distractions is not a true progressive in my opinion.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
23. They don't want her as VP because it would be meaningless.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:58 AM
Jun 2016

They don't want Bernie as VP either for the same reason.

Would you want Bernie as the VP?

Turin_C3PO

(13,497 posts)
24. Not many Bernie supporters believed that.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:00 AM
Jun 2016

Were many Hillary supporters only socially progressive but dismissed incomes inequality, healthcare, and education? Probably the same amount, which is to say, not very many.

Florencenj2point0

(435 posts)
78. yes, until she was actually running
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:55 PM
Jun 2016

then it would have been different the moment she expressed an .opinion that was not sufficiently leftish.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
5. DWS, Clinton, PP Richardson, now Warren. When it was repeatedly said that if Warren
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:16 AM
Jun 2016

was president, then they would vote for her, proving how it is not about sexism, I stated they would go after her at a drop of the hat.

The most hate during this primary is exclusively toward women.

This is what sexism looks like.

athena

(4,187 posts)
16. You're right. The whole "we're not sexist and would happily vote for Warren" argument
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:43 AM
Jun 2016

went out the window the moment it started to look like Warren might be Hillary's choice for VP.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
28. Do you like Sarah Palin and Carly Fiorina? Think they should be president?
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:04 AM
Jun 2016

You don't?

You're a sexist.

(Just using your myopic logic.)

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
30. What I do know, is I have had to stand with both women, and other RW women, with misogyny
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:07 AM
Jun 2016

hurled at these women, from our Democrats. I do not have the option of standing up for only the women I agree with.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
33. What if someone says "Sara Palin says a lot of stupid things that are harmful."
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:12 AM
Jun 2016

What is someone else says "Ted Cruze says a lot of stupid things which are harmful."

Is one statement sexist, while the otehr is fine, simply because of the gender of who they are directed at?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
39. "Sara Palin says a lot of stupid things that are harmful."
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jun 2016

Find one comment from me, a feminist or another that has said this statement is sexist. Again, I do not waste my time arguing non truths or made up scenarios.

If they state she is a dingbat or any of the other sexist defining words directed exclusively to women, then I will speak up and call the language sexist. Where would you have an issue with that, being the progressive you are?

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
43. Criticizing Warren for so exuberantly aligning with Clinton.......
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:01 PM
Jun 2016

is not sexist.

I won't defend any overtly sexist or otherwise nasty comments against Warren.

But to attribute people's feelings about it as sexism, is just wrong....No more to do with gender that characterizing Palin as dumb.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
44. Thank you for the lecture on sexism and what you allow is, and is not sexism.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:04 PM
Jun 2016

There is all kinds of sexism in this world, which brings us the hard work of challenging the sexism in our world today.

You changed the argument to overt sexism. I addressed that issue. Now you are bring us back to the conversation about less overt sexism, and you insist that is NOT sexism. Bully for you. I disagree. And I know I have way more fact, academia, studies that will support my position and all you have is words thrown at us.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
62. What-the-hell-ever
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:34 PM
Jun 2016

The attitude you express turns off many people who otherwise are supportive of increasing gender equality.

'But go ahead and have at it. .

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
64. So? I am not in existence to make those people feel good and that should have no baring on sexism
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:37 PM
Jun 2016

if it is a progressive position you support.

Not my job to coddle others. Lol. I do it with my own, I do not have to do it with the rest of the word.

Ya ya ya, I get, once again I turned you off, lol.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
45. Right.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:07 PM
Jun 2016

After all the "Hating Hillary is not sexist, if Warren were running we'd support her" posts here, it's hard to miss the sexist dismissal Warren is receiving from those same posters.

You can call it whatever you want, but it's pretty blatant to those without the hate colored blinders on.

And bringing up Palin, Fiorina or Thatcher is usually quite telling.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
68. Oh really? Gee I never noticed that.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:40 PM
Jun 2016

I happen to be very supportive of the goal of gender equality and have been closely involved in different ways with strongly committed feminists.

Saying that it's sexist of the people who have strongly supported a particular politician (Warren) to criticize him/her because of a particular political decision by that person makes all discussion incredibly shallow and one dimensional.


So don't give me that condescending shit. You only hurt what you claim to want to advance by making everything about sexism and expecting people to walk on eggshells all the time.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
71. It;'s not about those poor folks...It's about whether you....
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:44 PM
Jun 2016

actually want to accomplish what you claim you want to accomplish.

But go ahead. You simply make your case irrelevant by ringing false alarms.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
89. "You simply make your case irrelevant by ringing false alarms."
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:24 PM
Jun 2016

I would say that the dismissal of issues related to sexism (and racism) by Bernie as "not important" was probably one of the worst missteps of his campaign. It's unfortunate that many of his supporters echoed those sentiments here on DU regularly. And this argument of "ringing false alarms" you are using here is too close to some other arguments I've seen here over the years about false accusations for my comfort.

Trying to deny that some Democrats have indeed revealed their sexism this election season would be ludicrous. There could not be more cut and dry examples. Those who excused Kerry for his war vote and voted for him, but will never ever excuse Clinton and could never vote for her because she voted for the iwr. Those that claimed they would support Warren if she were running, instantly shifting gears when it became apparent she might actually be on the ticket.

All while touting their superior progressiveness and higher morality.




 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
93. A discussion of an issue requires actual give and take
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:55 PM
Jun 2016

I am all for honest discussion of what is real sexism, imagined sexism and subconscious sexism in a larger sense.

But that is not the same as excessively using claims of sexism as a political tool to marginalize or otherwise discredit an opposing candidate and his supporters who share a similar agenda. (I am not referring to the neanderthal behavior and attitudes of people like Trump.)

I also believe that any such discussions -- within or without the context of politics -- should be an honest give and take, with acknowledgement of nuance, and recognition that no one is the sole repository of what is and is not the official definition of actual sexism (in the agree to disagree category).


 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
120. Honest give and take? Like you doubling down about Clinton knowing her place was in the senate...
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:47 PM
Jun 2016

And if she started there you'd like her? I don't think anyone defended that crsp except for you. Sounds like you're still a little pissed about it, too.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
122. I stand by that
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:11 PM
Jun 2016

Has nothing to do with her gender. I used a word I should not have, but I meant what I said.

But if you want to make it so....it is so in your mind. That's up to you.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
124. No one bought it. And you've posted a load of sexist twaddle since, claiming it was okay because you
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 12:39 AM
Jun 2016

feel spiteful. As if that makes it any less sexist. It does not.

Florencenj2point0

(435 posts)
86. I used to like Palin before she got so bitter and angry
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jun 2016

but I blame the left for that. Attacking with such angry sexist ugliness that they would not let go of even years later... who the hell wouldn't be bitter? I liked that she told the MSM to go f*ck itself. I thought she was funny and would have been fun to have as a next door neighbor.
The left just couldn't let it go, so many sexist jokes. One person I am related to (who still supports Bernie BTW) still claims it was our duty to attack her with sexist jokes and memes to keep her out of the white house.
So no, I would not want her to be President, but I do like her. As for Carly, she is just one mean nasty piece of work.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
87. I agree. She was especially lovable when she referred to Obama "hanging out with terrorists"
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:08 PM
Jun 2016

in the 2008 campaign.

But I guess I only find that offensive because a woman said it

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
51. People do not care one way or another about Sanders just as he does not put a lot of time and effort
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:26 PM
Jun 2016

into his religion.

I know there were Sanders supporters that tried to create him as part of the oppressed group to be on the same level as a first woman president, but it never really caught hold. Are you bringing that to the table now?

choie

(4,100 posts)
55. It's as valid as the claim that Bernie supporters
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jun 2016

Are sexist.. You are so blind with allegiance to Clinton that you can't see straight.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
83. What the hell. 'just as he does not put a lot of time and effort into his religion'
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:01 PM
Jun 2016

Disgusting.

And implying Sanders doesn't care one way or another about his religion....sheesh! You're implying Sanders is a bad jew!

Disgusting.

seabeyond
51. People do not care one way or another about Sanders just as he does not put a lot of time and effort

into his religion.

I know there were Sanders supporters that tried to create him as part of the oppressed group to be on the same level as a first woman president, but it never really caught hold. Are you bringing that to the table now?
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
100. No. Something you made up for argument sake. Damn aren't you tired of having to make shit up
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:36 PM
Jun 2016

in order to win a fake argument? I do not get people who do this.

Florencenj2point0

(435 posts)
6. Really?
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:18 AM
Jun 2016

Yes indeed, here is the link to his face-book page: https://www.facebook.com/jeffmerkley/?fref=ts

and here is hers: https://www.facebook.com/senatorelizabethwarren/?fref=ts
Here is an example of what one woman said to Liz:


Your cheese has slid off your cracker Hitlery is terrible and you know it I use to love you but not anymore I thought your were different but you are backing a criminal and I can not continue to like you. I do not associate with folks that associate with criminals. My husband said you were part of the cabal and I defended you , he was right your just as much involved in the illusion of freedom as Hitlery is.
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
27. That's a bad comment but it undermines the OP's claim
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:03 AM
Jun 2016
Here is an example of what one woman said to Liz:

Baitball Blogger

(46,447 posts)
8. Eh? Did you read what Hillary Clinton supporters said about Nina Turner
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:23 AM
Jun 2016

on this very website?

Damn double standards.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
20. Those darn progressives!
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:52 AM
Jun 2016

We should banish them from our party! Oh, wait. We already did that. Never mind.

QC

(26,371 posts)
42. No freeper ever hated liberals more than our Sensible Pragmatic Centrists™
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:32 AM
Jun 2016

around here. Honestly, the way some of them spend all their time driving wedges between Democrats, it's almost enough to make me wonder if they have our best interests at heart, like maybe they have some reason for being here other than getting Democrats elected.

Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
26. "I oppose President Clinton's agreement with the GOP to raise the SS retirement age."
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:01 AM
Jun 2016

"Oh Yeah? You're only complaining about it because she's a woman!"

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
34. Liberals really are the shit.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:15 AM
Jun 2016

Soon, they'll want equal rights or something impossible like taxing the rich.

tritsofme

(17,283 posts)
41. Merkely is an obscure senator, Warren is a media darling.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:31 AM
Jun 2016

My take is that the Bernie people aren't as mad at Merkely because he is not particularly important.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
63. Because Merkley did not base his entire career ranting against Wall Street. There are clips
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jun 2016

of EW going after Hillary on the Senate floor because of her ties to Wall Street.

As far as Merkley - that's up for the voters to decide.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
74. Because he actually put himself on the line and endorsed Bernie
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:48 PM
Jun 2016

And he's not grandstanding in his shift to Clinton.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
77. So it is about Bernie feeling entitled to her support. That's the only way it makes sense.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:55 PM
Jun 2016

Warren didn't use her superdelegate status to affect the race, she only endorsed when it was over, and she endorsed the winner of the country and her state.

Everything about that is exactly what Bernie wanted. There's ZERO in there to be mad about, without falling back into saying Bernie was owed her support.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
82. I just explained the difference
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:01 PM
Jun 2016

Feel free to disagree with it in terms of the two politicians involved.

But claiming it is all about sexism is 100 percent unadulterated bullshit.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
94. You're getting off your own topic
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:58 PM
Jun 2016

You are the one who described it as sexism.

My point is simply that it is a matter of different behavior and circumstances, rather then the gender of the candidates involved.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
72. You're a sexist if you oppose Wall Street's corruption and excessive political influence
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:47 PM
Jun 2016
(just in case)

Yavin4

(35,258 posts)
48. Hillary won Mass. BS supporters stated that SDs should vote with the will of the people.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:19 PM
Jun 2016

Sen. Warren did just that.

BS supporters stated that the SDs should vote with the will of the primary voters in total.

Sen. Warren did just that.

Where exactly is the problem with Sen. Warren?

choie

(4,100 posts)
53. The problem is hypocrisy..
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:28 PM
Jun 2016

She states that the game is rigged and that Wall Street is a corrupting force and that the problem is the political establishment. Then she comes out to support the candidate that represents Just that.. That's what is infuriating and, as I said hypocritical. Not to mention politically expedient. It has crap to do with sexism.

Yavin4

(35,258 posts)
60. Sen. Warren chose not to support your candidate.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:33 PM
Jun 2016

That is her right to do. She went with the will of her state and the Democratic primary electorate in general. She's no less committed to her causes. She's just going about it in a manner different from Bernie, who didn't have any sort of strategic plan to get what he wanted done.

OTOH, Sen. Warren created the CFPB, the government watchdog group for the financial industry. That's more than Bernie has ever done.

Response to Yavin4 (Reply #60)

choie

(4,100 posts)
106. She's going about it in a different way
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:36 PM
Jun 2016

by supporting somebody who is the antithesis of the values she espouses? Right..

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
107. Wrong. Clinton is not and has never been what you and Sanders create her to be as Warren recognizes
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jun 2016

and is unwilling to play that game.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
111. While Sanders is good at accusing, he comes up with nothing. Warren of integrity, and in the system,
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:33 PM
Jun 2016

doesn't seem to see it with Clinton.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
56. Boxer, Louis, The Latino woman in Nevada, Dws, Warren, PP Richardson, LBGT com, women that spoke out
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jun 2016

for Clinton compared to all the men that endorsed and spoke out. The hate, the craziness were exclusively directed to bigoted groups. Not the men.

choie

(4,100 posts)
109. Bullshit
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jun 2016

The same disdain was shown to Barney Frank, Bill diBlasio and John Lewis. And if Kucinich came out for Clinton using as his reasons the need to stop corruption in our political system, I'm sure progressives would express disappointment with him as well.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
117. Yea, I saw those vile Bernie supporter posts on John Lewis page.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:35 PM
Jun 2016

Sad that a Civil Rights icon was called a low life by a sanders supporter.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
91. Exactly
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:43 PM
Jun 2016

Stupid as the attacks were, people have seen Warren and Bernie as a sort of tag team on economic issues, while few people even know much about Merkely.
This is more like the outrage one would see if Kirsten Gilibrand endorsed any opponent of Claire McKaskill after they worked together on addressing rape in the military.

Seriously, crying sexism at every turn diminishes the real experiences and expression that happen daily. If Obama had attributed every single unfavorable event or criticism to racism during his campaign, he would never have been elected.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
76. No liberals are too concervative, or too liberal or both...all that matters is
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jun 2016

What Would Clinton say?

The New Democratic Party. If it is at all contrary to Clinton, it's wrong. No matter whether it's liberal, conservative, moderate or anything.

tom-servo

(185 posts)
95. I don't think it is sexism...
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:01 PM
Jun 2016

... Warren is a very high profile progressive, which gives all her actions a higher profile. However, she is also a progressive champion and shouldn't catch any flack for supporting Clinton. The democratic party is lucky to have her.

snot

(10,469 posts)
104. I never knew who Merkeley was, had no particular hopes re- his endorsement.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:09 PM
Jun 2016

But I and I think many more in the U.S. DID know who Warren was; her endorsement will have/would have had real weight and value; and she's been such an eloquent and persuasive speaker re- her concerns re- economic issues, which have clearly been much closer to Bernie's long-standing concerns than to Hillary's (not that I'm sure what the latter are), that we couldn't help but hope that Warren would recognize a Bernie as a natural ally and lend him her support.

I and many other Bernie-ites have been active feminists and proponents of equity with respect to race, gender, and other so-called classifications since the 60's. But if some DU'er's want to believe that all Bernie-ites are sexists, racists, etc., I can't stop them.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
131. It's outlined in the first post.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 07:59 AM
Jun 2016

Warren endorses Clinton only after the race is over, and she's getting viciously attacked.

Merkely, who actually endorsed Sanders, flips to Clinton to be on the winning side, and no one here says a word.

It makes no sense whatsoever to hold someone who was neutral more in contempt than someone who just abandoned your candidate. Sexism comes to mind.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
132. So, where's the "sexism" part?
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:07 AM
Jun 2016

Do you really think that people are angry with Warren's support of Hillary is due to "sexism" and neutral about Merkley's support because he's a man? Or, could it be, that Warren is a lot better known than Merkley?

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
133. The sexism is...
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:25 AM
Jun 2016

... int he fact that they're more angry at the woman who 1) did nothing 'against' Bernie, and 2) who followed Bernie's own wishes for superdelegates, than they are with an actual Bernie endorser who is jumping ship so he can be on the winning side.

Only one of these two people did abandoned Bernie, and it wasn't Warren. Yet she is the only one getting criticized....

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
134. Where's the sexism?
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:41 AM
Jun 2016

From what I see, the people are angry with both because they support Hillary instead of the more progressive (leftist) Sanders not because of gender. Are they angry with with Warren because she now supports Hillary or are they angry because she's a woman? Are they less angry with Merkely because he's a man?

I have yet to see anywhere, including DU, any Bernie supporters who criticize Hillary because she's woman. Nor, have seen any Bernie supporters "attack" Warren because she's a woman. Both are "attacked" because of their policies. In this case Warren's (and Merkely's) decision to support Hillary instead of Bernie.

It's as ridiculous as anyone accusing Hillary supporters of being anti-Semitic because he's a Jew.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
137. But where are the myriad attacks on Merkely?
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:08 AM
Jun 2016

I don't see them anywhere here on DU. But you can't open a topic mentioning Warren without someone calling her a sellout or a traitor. If there was anything resembling an even distribution of anger, I wouldn't have brought the topic up. But it's unreasonable that only the woman, who did far less to upset them, gets inundated with negativity and attacks.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
138. Do you really think that the Sanders supporters here are "attacking" her because she's a woman?
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:16 AM
Jun 2016

The operative words are "because she's a woman". She's being criticized because of her endorsement of Hillary. I've seen a lot of "attacks" on Susan Sarandon by Hillary supporters. Are they because she's a woman? Or, is it because she doesn't support Hillary?

OTOH, I've seen plenty of attacks on Bernie because he's an Old White Male. Sexist? Racist? Ageist?

You can't have it both ways.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
139. Not consciously, no.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:28 AM
Jun 2016

But I'm wondering what else explains why she is the focus of so many attacks, while others who did not endorse Bernie, or who have now done worse and actively flipped against him, don't receive the same treatment. The outrage is not uniformly spread among those who didn't support Bernie. It seems to be uniquely pointed at Warren.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
140. I think it's because she has become an icon of progressivism.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 12:13 PM
Jun 2016

Who, in the eyes of some, is a betrayal. I think it's because she is more well known than Merkely and others.. I don't think her gender has anything to do with it. And, I think that is also true for those of us don't support/won't vote for Hillary. It's not because she's a woman, it's because of her politics.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
136. Do you have any idea how much these kneejerk, baseless cries of sexism are going to hurt Hillary's
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:59 AM
Jun 2016

campaign against Trump?

The word 'sexism' will be a punchline by the time it's over. These casual accusations only discredit legitimate complaints of sexism and make Hillary and her fans look like oversensitive, dishonest, opportunistic crybabies. This isn't smart.

CBHagman

(16,956 posts)
142. The sexism has been evident all the primary season long, and I hate it, but I hate spelling errors
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:43 PM
Jun 2016

...as well.

Please spell Jeff Merkley's name M-E-R-K-L-E-Y.

[url]https://www.merkley.senate.gov/[/url]

 

ThinkCritically

(241 posts)
143. Give me a break...
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:00 PM
Jun 2016

the same people who were voting for Bernie Sanders were signing petitions to get Elizabeth Warren to run. We would have given her just as many votes as Bernie Sanders got. But she decided she would get more accomplished in congress and didn't run. I agree that we shouldn't bash her for endorsing Hillary after she got to 2026. That is typically the first milestone to become the nominee, usually the point when other candidates drop out. No one should give anybody a hard time for choosing to support the party to make sure Donald Trump doesn't get elected. However, If Elizabeth Warren wants to save any credibility after endorsing the exact type of candidate she has railed against throughout her time in congress, she needs to make it clear that she is only endorsing Hillary to make sure Trump isn't elected and that she will be pushing for Bernies platform.

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