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Hillary voted AGAINST CAFTA, the only trade agreement she had an opportunity to vote on. (Original Post) LAS14 Jun 2016 OP
Ya know. before she publicly stated that she was against the TPP, NOBODY knew much about it tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1
She was talking about it before, calling it the "Gold Standard" in trade agreements. PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #2
Hillary was still in the process of negotiating TPP. That was what she was trying to make it. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #4
Bingo! tonyt53 Jun 2016 #5
Here is the text surrounding her "gold standard" comment... TCJ70 Jun 2016 #17
It takes less than a minute to find out such information using an Internet search engine. PoliticAverse Jun 2016 #3
You are mistaken. She voted for six trade agreements. Vattel Jun 2016 #6
Please provide the six trade agreements she voted for while a Senator. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #9
I think tis from a Sanders speech, but more info here: bhikkhu Jun 2016 #19
Where do you get your inaccurate info? Wilms Jun 2016 #7
"Where do you get your inaccurate info?" The same place they got their inaccurate sig line. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #8
+1 Segami Jun 2016 #10
I'm missing what's inconsistent about any of this: she supports trade agreements with enforceable Recursion Jun 2016 #11
:shrug: Wilms Jun 2016 #13
That would be awesome, and trade deals are how we get there (nt) Recursion Jun 2016 #14
. Wilms Jun 2016 #15
Then you should look at the explosion of the middle class in the developing world Recursion Jun 2016 #16
Gee. Wilms Jun 2016 #18
That sounds like a pretty accurate description of China's PNTR status, which I oppose Recursion Jun 2016 #20
Politifact: Rated a pro-fair trade voting record. Criticized trade pacts for weak labor standards. pampango Jun 2016 #22
From what I understand, the Jordan one was not controversial at all democrattotheend Jun 2016 #23
I talked about it but you are right. Lot of untrue smear. What I started doing listening actively seabeyond Jun 2016 #12
K&R betsuni Jun 2016 #21
She was preparing for a presidential run Armstead Jun 2016 #24
It doesn't fit the "narrative." MoonRiver Jun 2016 #25
 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
1. Ya know. before she publicly stated that she was against the TPP, NOBODY knew much about it
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 03:21 PM
Jun 2016

I suppose some people thought she should have been the first to say something against it.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
4. Hillary was still in the process of negotiating TPP. That was what she was trying to make it.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 03:34 PM
Jun 2016

She left office before TPP was actually written and upon seeing the finished product decided she couldn't support it.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
17. Here is the text surrounding her "gold standard" comment...
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:34 PM
Jun 2016
So it's fair to say that our economies are entwined, and we need to keep upping our game both bilaterally and with partners across the region through agreements like the Trans-Pacific Partnership or TPP. Australia is a critical partner. This TPP sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent, fair trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field. And when negotiated, this agreement will cover 40 percent of the world's total trade and build in strong protections for workers and the environment.


According to your post she judged something as the "gold standard" before it was finished? Judgement has been a common theme this primary season...this is another example of her bad judgement.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
3. It takes less than a minute to find out such information using an Internet search engine.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 03:29 PM
Jun 2016

If you didn't know it it is because you didn't make the (minimal) effort to find it out.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
6. You are mistaken. She voted for six trade agreements.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 03:54 PM
Jun 2016

And she supported two other trade deals that she didn't vote on because she was busy running for President in 2008.

bhikkhu

(10,705 posts)
19. I think tis from a Sanders speech, but more info here:
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:41 PM
Jun 2016
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/10/bernie-s/clinton-voted-virtually-every-trade-agreement-kill/

Its not exhaustive but it has enough information to form an opinion from, I think. Hillary has supported some trade agreements and not supported others, basically taking them on a case by case basis. The article gives some of her statements as reasoning; generally that an agreement is good if it protects labor rights and the environment on both sides, good if the other government has a good human rights record, and good if it protects or expands jobs in the US. Bad if it does the opposite of any of those. I'm ok with that.
 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
7. Where do you get your inaccurate info?
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 04:45 PM
Jun 2016
But newly released emails show that as secretary of state, Clinton was personally lobbying Democratic members of Congress to support the deal, even promising one senior lawmaker that the deal would extend labor protections to Colombian workers that would be as good or better than those enjoyed by many workers in the United States.

One of the 2011 emails from Clinton to U.S. Trade Representative Michael Froman and Clinton aide Robert Hormats has a subject line “Sandy Levin” — a reference to the Democratic congressman who serves on the House Ways and Means Committee, which oversees U.S. trade policy. In the email detailing her call with Levin, she said the Michigan lawmaker “appreciates the changes that have been made, the national security arguments and Santos's reforms” -- the latter presumably a reference to Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos. She concludes the message about the call with Levin by saying, “I told him that at the rate we were going, Columbian [sic] workers were going to end up w the same or better rights than workers in Wisconsin and Indiana and, maybe even, Michigan.”

Froman — a former Citigroup executive who as trade representative was lobbying for passage of the deal — responded by thanking Clinton for her "help and support.” Hormats, a former vice chairman of Goldman Sachs who subsequently was hired by Clinton at the State Department, later chimed in, telling her “terrific job” and “GREAT line on Columbian [sic] workers!!!!!”

http://www.ibtimes.com/hillary-clinton-pushes-colombia-free-trade-agreement-latest-email-dump-2326068


As a senator from New York, Clinton had the opportunity to vote on 10 trade deals. She said yes to six and no to the Dominican Republic-Central America Free Trade Agreement (DR-CAFTA) and the deal with Andean countries. She skipped the votes on agreements with Jordan and Peru, which came up when she was running for president the first time, but supported both deals.

Clinton explained her seemingly inconsistent positions in a 2005 speech to Congress: "The U.S.-Jordan Free Trade Agreement included internationally recognized enforceable labor standards in the text of the agreement. Sadly, DR-CAFTA is a step backward."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/10/bernie-s/clinton-voted-virtually-every-trade-agreement-kill/
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
8. "Where do you get your inaccurate info?" The same place they got their inaccurate sig line.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 04:59 PM
Jun 2016

If you notice they often make such statements w/o links.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
11. I'm missing what's inconsistent about any of this: she supports trade agreements with enforceable
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:12 PM
Jun 2016

labor standards. She opposes trade agreements without them.

When her job was to negotiate the TPP, she tried to get them in. When the next USTR had finished negotiating, she didn't like where it ended up.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
13. :shrug:
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:17 PM
Jun 2016

"She concludes the message about the call with Levin by saying, “I told him that at the rate we were going, Columbian workers were going to end up w the same or better rights than workers in Wisconsin and Indiana and, maybe even, Michigan.” "

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
16. Then you should look at the explosion of the middle class in the developing world
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:34 PM
Jun 2016

Because it is what's happening. And I much prefer the trade deal way than the way it's happening with China.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
18. Gee.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:37 PM
Jun 2016

And here I thought it led to job losses here, slave labor conditions and environmental destruction over there.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
20. That sounds like a pretty accurate description of China's PNTR status, which I oppose
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:44 PM
Jun 2016

Though I concede that in practice it's probably too late to unring that bell.

US trade deals have improved the labor and environmental standards of the signatory countries. That's the entire point. Trade with China and India, in contrast, have made those standards worse in those countries.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
22. Politifact: Rated a pro-fair trade voting record. Criticized trade pacts for weak labor standards.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:33 AM
Jun 2016

Extend trade restrictions on Burma to promote democracy.
End tax breaks for outsourcing jobs.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
23. From what I understand, the Jordan one was not controversial at all
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 02:19 PM
Jun 2016

At least the original one in the 1990's wasn't. Not sure about this one, but I know that even the AFL-CIO supported a trade deal with Jordan during Bill's presidency.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
12. I talked about it but you are right. Lot of untrue smear. What I started doing listening actively
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:15 PM
Jun 2016

to the Clinton supporters way back in April and May. An accusation, I hunted down the Clinton supporters who would them provide the truth or the whole story. Man, did it flip my then reality upside down. So I hear ya.

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