Poll: Now that we have the nominee should Skinner call it?

[azurnoir]

83 votes, 2 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	yes no reason to continue this until the 16th
	22 (27%)
	no he stated the 16th and should stick to it
	51 (61%)
	other
	10 (12%)
	2 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[Trust Buster]

1. Probably, emotions on the Sanders side are very raw.

[bigwillq]

2. Skinner should stick to his word

And call it when he said he would.

[LonePirate]

3. He has already committed to the 16th. There's no need to change it.

[JoePhilly]

66. + 1

[TwilightZone]

77. Agreed.

[Eugene]

4. The biggest part of the wait is a cooling off period.

That still makes sense.

[MADem]

5. Other: Start lowering the boom. A week of reading all sorts of invective about

our presumptive nominee, just because the other team is mad that their guy didn't go the distance, is not on.

He might not get 'em all, but the ones that are cautioned will serve as a warning to others. There needs to be a glide slope where as the days pass to the "cut off," that this kind of trash talking just is not tolerated.

Juries could start getting the spirit, too.

[Joe the Revelator]

7. There's some of that good unity chatter!

'He might not get 'em all, but the ones that are cautioned will serve as a warning to others.'

[azurnoir]

8. Juries have been all along

[MADem]

17. They're still hiding along candidate lines, I suspect. nt

[Mika]

18. Bring them to heel.

Perfect.

[MADem]

47. No--require them to act civilly, instead of like petulant, boorish asses who

are childishly and bitterlyl intent upon kicking the dog on the way out the door as they insult, snark and mock...all to No Discernable Effect.

[onecaliberal]

6. No one will "have it". That is the 2383 delegates before the convention, IN JULY

[Hiraeth]

9. I don't care. When he calls it, I will decide and act accordingly.

[azurnoir]

10. me too

[Hiraeth]

15. thanks for the thread though.

[laserhaas]

11. His loyalty is to the party and the funding hereof

[arely staircase]

76. The Democratic Party is something bad?

Your post makes a strong argument for Skinner moving the date up. No need to let the Greens and Republicans to keep bashing the party.

[laserhaas]

78. Your argument is that Clinton is the party

Skinner has no choice

DWS had a choice and abused it

Clinton had chiices and abused it

Skinner...calling it before Bernie concedes or the Convention making a decision...is an abusive chiice

Same as AP

The AP is suppose to report the news....not make the news (falsely)

Skinner sits (probably frustrated to do so) in silence

Except to come out and say.... By imprimatur ...it is decided {prematurely} and we are to all get over it.

I owe him much...because he's allowed me to stay here when Adam B's gang clobbered me off from DK

But that's a matter if money..should I get back millions stolen from me.

All this is just wrong....so very VERY wrong;
and I wish he had said so.

But he hasn't

[NWCorona]

12. If you're gonna do it then do it.

I'm fine either way

[Txbluedog]

13. The is GD:P and the primary ends with DC voting on the 14th

[Whimsey]

14. He's not a democrat!

Just because he filed as a democrat for the election does not make him a democrat anymore than Trump is a republican!

Move On to the democratic nominee!

I'm sixty and have had my share of disappointments in who got the nomination. I lived with it and moved on. If you cannot live with Hillary then move on to a different party!

[Ken Burch]

34. Enough already with the "he's not a Democrat" smear.

What matters is what the person stands for, not the party label alone.

Bernie is closer to what the values of the Democratic Party are than HRC can ever be.

True Dems are never comfortable giving speeches to the rich.

[Whimsey]

37. It's not a smear, it's a fact

Bernie has chosen throughout his adult life not to run as a democrat. Why? I have been a democrat for 42 years. I have not always voted democratic because I am not an ideologue but it is my home base. I am very liberal on social issues but less so on financial issues. Probably because I was a math major in college and an attorney in law school and I understand finance and law.

Ideas are great but implementation is another thing when you are a member of an elected body. I was also on a school board of seven where everyone had their own agenda.

Hillary has dealt with that and understands the need to compromise. Bernie refuses to do so. And he refuses to consider any way but his way. And his mostly white entitled supporters feel the same. So yeah, I am not going to support another white male who has had all the privilege this country can offer but cannot be as successful as he wants to be, (and all of his supporters who feel the same-that it is the fault of the system and not their own shortcomings).

Bernie is more than happy to live like the rich when he has his supporters paying for it - his campaign paid over $600,000 to send 10 members of his family to his trip in Italy to visit the pope. So do not talk about his aversion to the rich. His reason for not getting out is to continue to live high on the hog on your dime!

And why has he not presented his tax returns at the same time he is criticizing Hillary's speaking fees? Because they will show his income was in the top 1%. Look up the Burlington's free press article on Jane Sanders and her destruction of the college. Her salary combined with his put them in the top 1%.

Read the paper instead of just idiotic postings!

[Ken Burch]

39. The tax thing has been put to rest. He's released all the returns already.

Your entire post was nothing but the HRC "line".

[33taw]

41. I have seen only one return. Do you have a link to the others?

[Whimsey]

42. He only released 2014

Chris Matthew was questioning the campaign on this tonight. The reply was that Jane and Bernie were too busy to go home and Xerox them. Share the link if in fact the have been released. I would love to see them.

[FSogol]

62. Not true. n/t

[bettyellen]

73. He did not and that sucks- providing an excuse for Donald not to either.

[MADem]

49. No, that's not what matters and I will be interested in seeing if he keeps his (D)

now that he's tried for the brass ring under our banner.


If he goes back to (I), I think the Democratic party should consider reviewing their eligibility rules. There are a variety of independent parties that are incorporated, and people who don't want to identify as Dems should try to grow one of those organizations rather than try to co-opt/hijack ours. People claim to want a multi-party system? Get to work and grow some.

And this over-use of the word "smear" needs to cease. It is not a "smear" to notice that a guy who mocked and insulted the Democratic party in the past coughed, hemmed and hawed as he finally admitted he was "running as a Democrat." Not "I am a Democrat" but "running as" one--sort of like "I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV."

There's a degree of separation there. I don't think the DNC should do that again.

[Hekate]

16. The man keeps telling you what he plans to do. Why is that so hard to remember?

[azurnoir]

19. apparently you didn't past poll I named the date Skinner stated

[Splinter Cell]

20. "Call" it what it is.....

....a fuckin' loss in November.

[Whimsey]

21. Call him what he is

A loser.

[Splinter Cell]

22. When this party loses the general, will you still be as smug?

Idiotic Hillbots have flushed 2016 down the shitter.

[Whimsey]

38. Yep

This country would not elect a socialist. Bernie and Jane have gotten a free pass to this point just like Trump did in the primary. Were he the general election candidate it would not have been pretty.

[passiveporcupine]

51. I knew that socialist was going to pop up

I heard it between the lines in your first post. You sure have a hangup about labels.

[SwampG8r]

61. If you lean your head to the right

And listen you can hear the conservative wind whispering " socialist...socialist"

[Whimsey]

65. Democratic socialist

Bernie is a democratic socialist. That means he is a socialist first, but believes in democratic voting (except when he is behind in the pledged delegates.

I am a social democrat. A democrat first, who believes the inequities of a capitalist system needs to be countered by government safety nets and regulations. I believe Hillary fits in this category.

There is a difference.

And labels do matter in an election. Bernie would be trounced with this label in a general election and the democrats would lose.

That is the reality, like it or not.

[Recursion]

23. I think we should keep GD-P around as long as two campaigns are operating

If Sanders concedes on Wednesday, close GD-P on Thursday. If Sanders concedes on the 15th after DC, close GD-P on the 16th. If Sanders takes it to the convention, close it one day after the balloting ends.

[azurnoir]

24. why Bernie supporters will not be able to post anything negative about Hillary no matter what

she says or does while Hillary's supporters will be able to attack Bernie at will for staying in

or is that what what your looking forward to?

[upaloopa]

27. I like that

[azurnoir]

29. so you're looking forward to having Bernies people muzzled while you can attack Bernie unimpeded?

[upaloopa]

35. You could stop attacking us and Hillary right now if you want

I am not going to be a gracious winner until your side stops making shit up about the primary and us and Hillary ect.

I don't give a god damn whether you vote in November or not

[azurnoir]

33. It's not my forced obedience and like many Bernie supporters

I will ah curtailing my participation here

[Doctor Jack]

25. Wait until every primary has voted.

No point moving up the date because it was called 1 day before people expected.

[upaloopa]

26. There will not be any cooling off or getting anything out of systems

This is going to be a nasty 10 days

[azurnoir]

30. why is that number important?

[Contrary1]

40. Google it, and scroll down the hits. n/t

[itsrobert]

32. It's Skinner's call.

No?

[osaMABUSh]

36. When

The FBI speaks can we open it back up for the Second Primary season?

[senz]

54. ...

[Marrah_G]

43. We do not have a nominee yet

[Joe the Revelator]

44. Sure. Why not. The fact that he's going to do it before the convention anyway says everything.

Rip the bandaid off and let the echo chamber rage.

[andym]

45. Let the process play out.

But this horrible GDP forum should never have existed in the first place. It encourages too much personal enmity and too little intelligent discussion of the issues.

[Peace Patriot]

46. ABSOLUTELY NOT! This is like Faux News calling it for Bush Jr....

...during the FLA recount--outrageously unfair, outrageously arrogant!

HOW DARE these !@#$% Corrupt Media interfere with an election in this way!

I'm a Californian, goddammit, and I HAVE HAD IT with the Clinton Network, the Associated Pukes and the rest of the Pigsty Media!!!

[Algernon Moncrieff]

48. He said the call would be made "when the voting was over" and we'd have a week after that

...which gets us to the 16th.

[joshcryer]

50. Let the BOBers have some rope.

That way we don't have to feel bad when they leave.

[SwampG8r]

63. You werent going to.feel bad you will.join the gravedancing

Hell you will likely lead it

[joshcryer]

64. I was against the PUMAs in 2008.

And I'm damn sure against the BOBers this go around.

And I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

[senz]

52. He should wait until after 2,383 delegates are reached at the convention

To win the 2016 Democratic primary, a candidate must have 2,383 delegates.

As of June 6th, Hillary has 1,812 pledged delegates and Bernie has 1,526 pledged delegates. That's a difference of 286 delegates.

To reach 2,383 before the convention, Hillary would need 571 more pledged delegates and Bernie would need 857 more pledged delegates.

The states that vote tomorrow and the number of pledged delegates available from each:

CA -- 475
MT -- 21
NJ -- 126
NM -- 34
ND -- 18
SD -- 20

D.C. has 20 delegates and votes on June 14.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/

It is virtually impossible for either candidate to reach 2,383 pledged delegates from the remaining states. Since the pledged delegates alone don't confer 2,383, the superdelegate votes at the convention will make up the difference and decide the nomination.

The AP announced tonight that Hillary had "won," even though she hasn't. They made this announcement before the seven remaining primaries had been held. It will depress voter turnout and is an an act of sabotage.

[Live and Learn]

56. + a gazillion. She hasn't won yet!! nt

[Lord Magus]

72. That would be idiotic.

Skinner isn't going to use Bernie Sanders' phony rule about pretending we have no idea how superdelegates will vote before the convention.

[Fumesucker]

53. Yes, I'm ready to get away from this insanity and that would facilitate my withdrawing

[Live and Learn]

57. Here is a novel idea:

How about we wait until she actually wins the nomination?

[nilram]

58. Yes!* Stay at home, Clintonites!** It's in the bag!***

Footnotes provided for the sarcasm impaired.
* As in, affirmative.
** As in, those who support the Clinton regimes.
*** As in, a done deal, and not an aged one.

[Betty Karlson]

59. No, even the 16th is too soon.

[Sunlei]

60. Do ALL Americans enjoy a legitimate democracy with voting procedure in place or not?

Let everyone vote in our primary. Only a contender can 'suspend', quit or concede primary at this point.

[Orsino]

67. His board, his rules. n/t

[LWolf]

68. We don't have the nominee. nt

[NCTraveler]

69. I don't care. nt.

[Whimsey]

70. Does Bernie supporters even care he has changed his position?

In the Spring he was stating the use of superdelegates was undemocratic and should not determine the election. But now that they are his only path to the nomination he, and his supporters, are asserting they should determine the election. Democracy in Action!

And hypocritical.

No politician, including Bernie, has pure motives. And they are all ambitious.

[Contrary1]

71. He "evolved".

That's allowed.

[Whimsey]

80. Really?

I didn't think Bernie supporters allowed evolution. Wouldn't it dilute his purity?

[Contrary1]

81. Only Hillary is allowed to evolve.

Anyone else who does it is a hypocrite.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

74. Hell no. The bad blood would be made even worse.

Having said he'll leave it to the 16th before going into election mode, Skinner should hold himself to that.

[MineralMan]

75. I doubt he'll change his plans.

[coyote]

79. He's not calling anything until he said he would.

He knows who butters his bread.