2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders Says He Will Fight Hillary at Contested Democratic Convention in July
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|TeacherB87
(249 posts)Contested: A situation in which no candidate has an overall majority of all delegates.
Bernie supporters need to look at the last close primary (2008) to see how this works.
Clinton will have a majority of pledged delegates and superdelegates, thus she will be able to win on the first ballot.
Anything other than this outcome would be wholly undemocratic and a spit in the face of the millions of women and people of color that gave (and will give) her the delegates she needs for a majority.
Superdelegates don't overturn the will of the majority of the pledged delegates anymore (though that was why they were created). You can't find a single example in at least 30+ years that proves otherwise.
2026 - July 7th - this thing is over whether Bernie and his supporters like it or not. All the yelling and screaming in the world won't change the will of the people.
onecaliberal
(32,976 posts)Single American.
TeacherB87
(249 posts)She will have a majority of pledged delegates regardless. Bernie won't. End of story.
onecaliberal
(32,976 posts)It factual. How is the weather down there under the sand? #Blocked
Demsrule86
(68,768 posts)and she has the delegates...Bernie can make a fool out of himself if he chooses. He still loses on the first ballot...but maybe we can get rid of West. No goodies for Bernie and no speech.
TeacherB87
(249 posts)Or are you just interested in insulting people you don't know? Or is there some #berniemath that I'm not using to unskew the the fact that 3 million more people have voted for Clinton over Sanders?
Please have your insults make sense. They're more effective that way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016
Beacool
(30,253 posts)Demsrule86
(68,768 posts)And don't tell me about the pitiful caucuses ... a handful of voters show up at those silly things ...unlike primaries...and she Washington State primary ...where people who were disenfranchised by the complicated caucus process took the time to vote ... a powerful message that.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)SINCE 8 MONTHS BEFORE VOTE 1 WAS CAST.....
I DO NOT WANT MORE OF THIS!
e.g., MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...
Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...
Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"
Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"
Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!
George II
(67,782 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Boom!
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)It doesn't work that way.
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Demsrule86
(68,768 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)It ain't over till we say it's over.
Demsrule86
(68,768 posts)it is over whether Bernie continues to display his sore loser attitude or comes to his senses...makes no difference.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)It's over when the last votes are cast. You don't get to decide when it's over.
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Feathery Scout
(218 posts)Bernie is free to keep fighting.
But the voters will have spoken. The POTUS will have endorsed.
A Presumptive Nominee will be declared. And the General Election will begin.
Renew Deal
(81,893 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)He's the head of a movement that is larger than the Third Way of the Democratic Party. Progressives and Independents are his base, and they have no obligation any more to vote for Third Way Democrats. He is part of the future, while the Clintons are stuck in the past and are, basically, at a dead end.
Gothmog
(145,794 posts)This is so sad. There will be no contested convention
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)at the convention. He continues to say it. I believe him. He really has nothing to lose by doing so. If he does not put up a fight at the convention, his supporters will call him a sell-out and abandon him. He needs those supporters more than anything.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)If he tried he wouldn't even be allowed to set foot on the stage.
rusty fender
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Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Demsrule86
(68,768 posts)In order to contest a convention, you have to have the supers who are willing to support you...he doesn't have that so...one vote aad Hillary is the nominee. At that point out he goes...no speech and no platform. He has nothing.
Beacool
(30,253 posts)with a modicum of grace and class.
Democrats Ascendant
(601 posts)Just you wait and see.
Demsrule86
(68,768 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)it is right for people of good character to fight against it to the very end. Sure, it's easier just to give up and accept the inevitability of corporate dominance - just lower the bar a bit more, accept just a bit less from your leaders, acquiesce just a bit more to the erosion of our civil liberties and our standard of living.
There, see? Isn't it easier to just stop caring about 'ideals' and focus on beating the Red Team? Focus brings clarity.