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Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:36 AM

 

It's time for Democratic super-delegates to give Bernie Sanders a second look


First, Hillary is imploding amidst a rash of bad news -- from her bloated speaking fees to her dubious control over her potential co-president husband to this latest installment in the email saga that won't die.

Second, Sanders often beats presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump in head-to-head polls. The Manhattan mogul has pulled even with Clinton in many national canvasses.

And in the all-important California primary on June 7, Sanders and Clinton are in a statistical dead heat.

But most importantly, Sanders, like President Barack Obama eight years ago, has spawned a passion and an eagerness that has energized the Democratic party far more than Clinton's.


http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/2016/05/theres_nothing_super_about_hil.html#incart_river_index

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Reply It's time for Democratic super-delegates to give Bernie Sanders a second look (Original post)
Jester Messiah Jun 2016 OP
brooklynite Jun 2016 #1
Viva_La_Revolution Jun 2016 #20
upaloopa Jun 2016 #2
Trust Buster Jun 2016 #3
Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #4
Trust Buster Jun 2016 #10
MineralMan Jun 2016 #5
Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #6
LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #7
Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #11
geek tragedy Jun 2016 #15
baldguy Jun 2016 #8
NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #9
Tarc Jun 2016 #13
NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #18
Tarc Jun 2016 #22
Tarc Jun 2016 #12
geek tragedy Jun 2016 #19
Viva_La_Revolution Jun 2016 #21
geek tragedy Jun 2016 #14
ucrdem Jun 2016 #16
geek tragedy Jun 2016 #17

Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:39 AM

1. What about Clinton's speaking fees has been newsworthy in the past six months or so?

And I thought we'd dispensed with the whole head-to-head polls argument.

As for "energizing" the Democratic Party, apparently they're not energized enough to vote for him?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:25 AM

20. just the fact that we have no idea what she told them that was worth $225k

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:39 AM

2. That world view isn't shared by the Super Delegates. But keep trying if it gives you hope.

At some point reality will sink in.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:40 AM

3. This OP is not very well thought out. Super delegate ARE the Establishment. They are Governors,

 

federal and state legislators, mayors and the like. Why would a group of people that Sanders has been relentlessly attacking turn around and support the guy ? You're just in a denial stage. This soon will pass.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:42 AM

4. And presumably they would like to win in the general.

 

I think the OP stands just fine on its own.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:46 AM

10. No, the Super delegates can't stand Sanders for his attacks. Hillary received far more votes.

 

You will need intervention from a Messiah to see your fantasy come to fruition.....LOL

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:43 AM

5. Do you think so?

I noticed that, yesterday, CA Governor Jerry Brown endorsed Hillary Clinton. He's a super delegate, too.

The thing is that the super delegates are pretty much all long-time Democratic Party leaders and elected officials. They're pretty politically savvy, and have formed their opinions over time. For most, an early endorsement of Clinton's candidacy was based on long-term thinking and experience.

Those who think that many of those solid Democratic Party members are going to suddenly abandon that and opt to endorse Bernie Sanders are kidding themselves. The vast majority of super delegates will stick with their earlier decision to support Hillary. They don't really have any reason to change their opinion. So, they won't.

What they'll do is look at the pledged delegate count and popular vote following the June 7 primaries and that will convince them that they were right in the first place. Hillary will have the majority in both. Why would any super delegate switch to the candidate that has lost both of those things?

It's not happening. Sorry.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:43 AM

6. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Jester Messiah.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:44 AM

7. From the same poster who said this last month

"Hillary should get out.

Because she's a republican-loving warmongering bag of sleaze who never met a corporate anus she couldn't pucker up and kiss."

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Response to LoverOfLiberty (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:46 AM

11. And I stand by it.

 

But weren't you the one who alerted and had that post hidden? Thanks for bringing it back out into the light. Censorship sucks, am I right?

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Response to Jester Messiah (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:06 AM

15. 15 more days until members of the Not Hillary Party have to part ways

 

with Democrats and our allies

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:45 AM

8. Right. 400 SDs will jump ship for no reason. You keep hoping for that.

 

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:46 AM

9. Even though she can't draw regular folks to a GOTV rally like Bernie does, the

 

establishment media pundits nevertheless LOVE her, even if the average voter doesn't. TPTB already lost the Bush half of their 2016 campaign script to the Donald, they will do whatever it takes to ensure they do not lose their one remaining horse in the race.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:57 AM

13. With all those big Bernie crowds, why hasn't he won more, then?

Why can't these YUUUGE CROWDS get to the ballot box in sufficient numbers?

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Response to Tarc (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:07 AM

18. Closed Democratic primaries and registered Independents mix like oil and water.

 

They can all vote in the GE though.

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Response to NorthCarolina (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:16 PM

22. Nothing stops them from registering

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:56 AM

12. Super-delegates supporting Clinton do so because she is who the voters have chosen

I find it odd that the supporters of the grassroots "of the people" candidate wan't something very UNdemocratic to happen to propel their candidate to the nomination.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:09 AM

19. people who admire Fidel Castro aren't exactly big believers in the democratic process nt

 

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Response to Tarc (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:28 AM

21. and the 400 who announced before anyone else joined the race? before the first votes were cast?

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:05 AM

14. If Bernie loses the voting, he can't be the nominee.

 

People who respect democracy agree with that basic principle.

Certain authoritarians do not respect democracy, especially if they dislike the will of the voters, so they do not care about this.

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Response to Jester Messiah (Original post)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:06 AM

16. Love that positive, uplifting Bernie message.

First, Hillary is imploding amidst a rash of bad news -- from her bloated speaking fees to her dubious control over her potential co-president husband to this latest installment in the email saga that won't die.


Such idealism.

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Response to ucrdem (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:07 AM

17. this is the Altamont Speedway phase of the Bernie movement nt

 

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