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CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:02 PM May 2016

Barney Frank on MSNBC Just Now:

Barney Frank let it be known that he will not be harassed into submission by the Sanders' campaign. Not only did he aggressively fight back against the notion that he couldn't be impartial in adjudicating the rules (including explaining the very limited role the rules committee holds), he let fly a damning criticism of Bernie.

It was, if you pardon my paraphrasing, "Senator Sanders didn't realize black votes matter."

Ouch. Burn.

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Barney Frank on MSNBC Just Now: (Original Post) CrowCityDem May 2016 OP
Glad he said it!!! bravenak May 2016 #1
Fuck bankster Barney....... Segami May 2016 #2
lol. n/t. okieinpain May 2016 #3
No, thanks PJMcK May 2016 #6
Barney's all in for the Hills and he likes his corrupt money too much to let anything change. haikugal May 2016 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author TonyPDX May 2016 #33
.that^ 840high May 2016 #36
Word up. frylock May 2016 #58
Feel the Barn!! nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #4
Love it! Justice May 2016 #27
Why would I ever want to listen to a word that insufferable buffoon says? bjo59 May 2016 #5
Barney is a bore and a sellout. avaistheone1 Jun 2016 #102
'aggressively fight back against the notion that he could be impartial,' elleng May 2016 #7
Yup, that sounds like a truthy slip there! n/t ebayfool May 2016 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy May 2016 #19
Seriously, You don't have much of a memory do you ? ciaobaby May 2016 #8
LOTS of faulty memories around. elleng May 2016 #18
Well it took me just a moment and then I realized what you were referring to.... ciaobaby May 2016 #23
I was referring to 'Bernie knew Black Lives Mattered back when Hillary was a Gold Water Girl.' elleng May 2016 #25
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #76
and that is utter and complete bull shit. ciaobaby May 2016 #77
You think so? Okay. The vast majority of Black voters, disagree with you. 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #78
There are many reasons for that, but not one is that Bernie doesn't care about the black vote. ciaobaby May 2016 #83
No one (Black) would accept your pity and ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #85
offered no pity - I apologize if you think I was condescending - not my intent. ciaobaby May 2016 #90
looking back - I guess I should have stopped after my first response to you. ciaobaby May 2016 #91
Yes. You should have ... sometimes, we get caught up ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #93
Now I remember why I stopped giving a fuck. Number23 May 2016 #94
He/she did revisit her/his post and backed off ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #96
Looks around to see any lies. No lies found. Frank is right!!! UMTerp01 May 2016 #9
Notice how the Bernie people never replied directly to that last line? tonyt53 May 2016 #10
That false trope was trotted out months ago and is still false. Fail. haikugal May 2016 #15
Okay catnhatnh May 2016 #17
Since your brought it up, yes a gay man does have some comparable experience. tonyt53 May 2016 #29
Agreed bravenak May 2016 #51
I agree, too ... And clearly does the majority of Black voters. 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #72
No one said anything about having an ... " 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #82
Having a hack for billionaire bankers call us racists is not the way mmonk May 2016 #11
Not campaign as if Black votes matter is not calling ANYONE a racist. 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #84
You would think that the people STILL screaming "stop calling me a racist!!111" would have long ago Number23 May 2016 #92
+1 ... For the seemingly, millionth time. 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #95
Barney Frank would be on my short list for Vice President. oasis May 2016 #14
+1000 bravenak May 2016 #16
If you're serious, then I'm happy that I'll be gone. Fawke Em May 2016 #80
Mine too...Vice President of Bosnia Armstead May 2016 #45
Remember the advice of Vito Corleone "Keep your friends close oasis May 2016 #59
Frank's fingerprints are all over the financial fiasco. CentralMass May 2016 #64
Barney Frank has been a hero PJMcK May 2016 #20
Good for a few million. mmonk May 2016 #22
I hope so PJMcK May 2016 #26
You could say the same for anyone taking part in the revolving door JonLeibowitz May 2016 #30
Is Barney calling Bernie a racist? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #21
But Sanders parachuted hundreds of white hipsters annavictorious May 2016 #54
Are the people in these photos 'white hipsters'? Eric J in MN May 2016 #60
Bernie did a lot of stuff in the 1960s ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #88
No. De-railing, avoided. 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #87
All the Barney Frank attackers are attacking reality and usually with nothing but BootinUp May 2016 #24
Reality -- Bernie is not a racist and neither are 97 percent of his supporters Armstead May 2016 #47
You erected a strawman and beat it down. BootinUp May 2016 #49
The Op contained the strawman... Armstead May 2016 #52
Sounds like Frank proved he cannot be impartial. AtomicKitten May 2016 #28
Bernie's campaign picked the wrong guy to mess with Cali_Democrat May 2016 #31
If you can't find a single Democrat you agree with... yallerdawg May 2016 #32
There is a duopoly operative, for practical purposes we have two options of party TheKentuckian May 2016 #43
I understand how this all functions. yallerdawg May 2016 #53
I thought maybe I responded to the wrong person but it was you who said TheKentuckian May 2016 #65
Where is the Democrat you do like? yallerdawg May 2016 #67
Well, we have circled back to the original response then. TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #97
Barney Frank: Trans lives don't matter. chascarrillo May 2016 #34
.+1 840high May 2016 #37
..... treestar May 2016 #38
Practical considerations don't matter to the "all or nothing" crew Dem2 May 2016 #44
Bankster Barney B Calm May 2016 #35
That's seriously funny shit from Barney Frank! Tortmaster May 2016 #39
Love reading post like this TimPlo May 2016 #69
You need to write better. Tortmaster May 2016 #70
Wouldn't that had been his job to correct them and then give his answer? Just because all american girl Jun 2016 #98
So you are picking apart Sanders interview skills TimPlo Jun 2016 #100
Well, I just think that if you are giving an interview and the reporter all american girl Jun 2016 #103
Because lying, swift boating banker lovers are so neutral? TheKentuckian May 2016 #40
Nobody believes anything he says any more. grasswire May 2016 #41
The first of those statements is not just objectively false but very obviously objectively false. NT Donald Ian Rankin May 2016 #68
I could never understand a damn word he says. nc4bo May 2016 #42
Isn't making fun of a person's speaking manner kind of small? Dem2 May 2016 #46
Repeat.....I have an EXTREMELY difficult time understanding anything he says. nc4bo May 2016 #50
I'm not big on a number of things Frank has done over the years. NCTraveler May 2016 #48
Frank IMO is a short fused vindictive "stretcher of the truth" CentralMass May 2016 #55
Maybe Governor Jerry Brown can move over a little so Barney can fit comfortably under the bus. zappaman May 2016 #56
Yes if everyone only knew that taking bank money made Barney a better regulator. CentralMass May 2016 #63
Bernie Sanders did more town halls Eric J in MN May 2016 #57
He was considered one of the most corrupt members of the house. bobbobbins01 May 2016 #61
Who interviewed Barney Frank? NT Eric J in MN May 2016 #62
Barney Frank proves that he is buased with "Senator Sanders didn't realize black votes matter." aikoaiko May 2016 #66
DU rec...nt SidDithers May 2016 #71
What a stupid, stupid man. GeorgeGist May 2016 #73
He's one of my favorite Democrats ever Dem2 May 2016 #74
That was very kind . TheFarS1de May 2016 #75
Banker Barney. Fawke Em May 2016 #79
Question-is being on a bank board bad, or is it that anyone who works at a bank bad? all american girl Jun 2016 #99
The second Sanders decided to go after him for the irredeemable "crime" of not supporting him Number23 May 2016 #86
Here is the video. One thing I didn't know is that not only did the Sanders camp want Frank/Malloy Number23 May 2016 #89
Bernie is making me very tired. all american girl Jun 2016 #101
You know, if you're trashing Barbara Boxer, Jerry Brown, and Barney Frank in the same week auntpurl Jun 2016 #104

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
12. Barney's all in for the Hills and he likes his corrupt money too much to let anything change.
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:09 PM
May 2016

I agree...fuck Barney Frank and the thirdway!

Response to Segami (Reply #2)

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
5. Why would I ever want to listen to a word that insufferable buffoon says?
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:06 PM
May 2016

Wish he'd just sit in his cushy bank boardroom chair and leave politics alone.

Response to elleng (Reply #7)

 

ciaobaby

(1,000 posts)
8. Seriously, You don't have much of a memory do you ?
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:07 PM
May 2016

Bernie knew Black Lives Mattered back when Hillary was a Gold Water Girl.

 

ciaobaby

(1,000 posts)
23. Well it took me just a moment and then I realized what you were referring to....
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:20 PM
May 2016

The time Hillary "thought" their was sniper fire on the tarmac in Bosnia
HAHAHAHA - yet that's the one

elleng

(132,365 posts)
25. I was referring to 'Bernie knew Black Lives Mattered back when Hillary was a Gold Water Girl.'
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:26 PM
May 2016

post #8 by ciaobaby.

 

ciaobaby

(1,000 posts)
83. There are many reasons for that, but not one is that Bernie doesn't care about the black vote.
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:27 PM
May 2016

He cares a great deal about voting rights, about jobs, about the minimum wage, about the racist prison system that supports HRC, and about the thousands of predatory loans that ruined so many lives. For his entire career he has been a strong fighter and supporter of equal rights. If the message didn't reach the vast majority of Black voters, I am sorry for them. Maybe they need to listen to Nina Turner or Keith Ellison and many other Bernie supporters.
I don't deny anyone the right to support the candidate of their choice, or to be loyal to one they have known over the years. But that doesn't mean they (or you) has to deny Bernie his much deserved record on civil rights

this may help you understand what you refuse to acknowledge:
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/20-examples-bernie-sanders-powerful-record-civil-and-human-rights-1950s

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
85. No one (Black) would accept your pity and ...
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:34 PM
May 2016

I/we damned sure don't appreciate your condescending ass telling me the proper Black folks to listen to.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
93. Yes. You should have ... sometimes, we get caught up ...
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:54 PM
May 2016

but, it's never a bad thing to self-reflect.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
96. He/she did revisit her/his post and backed off ...
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:03 PM
May 2016

giving me a measure of hope.

Baby steps, N ... baby steps!

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
17. Okay
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:13 PM
May 2016

How about because old gay white Vermont Barney has a much better grasp of black politics than old straight white Vermont Bernie....Right...

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
81. I agree, too ... And clearly does the majority of Black voters.
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:22 PM
May 2016

Barney did pretty well with the Black vote ... Bernie? Not so much.

Response to tonyt53 (Reply #29)

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
82. No one said anything about having an ... "
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:26 PM
May 2016

understanding of my life experience as a bi-racial man, the statement was an understanding of Black politics.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
11. Having a hack for billionaire bankers call us racists is not the way
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:08 PM
May 2016

to keep people in the Democratic Party.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
92. You would think that the people STILL screaming "stop calling me a racist!!111" would have long ago
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:54 PM
May 2016

realized how moronic and counter-productive they sound.

Frank didn't call anyone racist just like NO ONE has called Sanders a racist. What Frank did is very similar to what hundreds of other people have done which is to note that Hillary Clinton is winning the minority vote by a West Virginia mile and that one of the reasons for that is that Sanders has, for reasons that few understand, never put forth the outreach to minority communities to secure our votes.

Now, you and I both know this will mean absolutely NOTHING to these folks that love to shriek "racism!111one" anytime anyone attempts to discuss the racial elements in this race but it is what it is.

oasis

(50,044 posts)
59. Remember the advice of Vito Corleone "Keep your friends close
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:45 PM
May 2016

and your number crunchers closer".

PJMcK

(22,191 posts)
20. Barney Frank has been a hero
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:15 PM
May 2016

Congressman Frank has served his country and his constituency very well. He has fought the progressive and Democratic fight effectively and fearlessly. While he may now be employed by an entity that many of us detest, we don't know a thing about what he does there.

It's disappointing to hear the vehemence directed at someone who has fought the good fight. As an analogy, let me offer this. My father worked as a chemical engineer in the paper industry. During the last 25 years of his career, his primary focus was on developing and implementing technologies that would drastically reduce the effluence from paper mills. Obviously, this is good for the environment. One time, I chided him for working "for the Man" since he was employed by major corporations. He responded that he was doing good work from inside the belly of the beast and besides, the money was better.

The heightened emotions of the Democratic Primary have been, at times, quite acrid. For me, Congressman Frank gets the benefit of the doubt.

PJMcK

(22,191 posts)
26. I hope so
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:28 PM
May 2016

Why shouldn't he be entitled to the same level of compensation? That's the free market at work.

However, my real point is that we don't know how Congressman Frank comports himself in his position at Signature Bank. Perhaps he argues the same views and attitudes that he masterly employed in the US House of Representatives against Republicans. As a Board Member, he has a say and a vote on all issues that come before that Board of Directors. Please remember that during much of his tenure in Congress, he was in the political minority and as an openly gay politician, he was subjected to public abuse yet he never shied away from fighting for the Democratic side.

So, in the absence of evidence that he is acting against the policies and views he has held for decades, he gets my support.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
30. You could say the same for anyone taking part in the revolving door
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:32 PM
May 2016

Finding situations where it is conceivable everyone is acting honorably doesn't mean that things are so.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
54. But Sanders parachuted hundreds of white hipsters
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:33 PM
May 2016

into the South Bronx and Oakland! They sang "We Shall Overcome"!
And Sanders was in that one march half a century ago!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
88. Bernie did a lot of stuff in the 1960s ...
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:39 PM
May 2016

but that was before SNCC failed to see the wisdom of his way to focus on economics, rather than, racism.

It was shortly after that ... Bernie moved to Vermont; and, his active participation in the Civil Rights Movement, faded.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
47. Reality -- Bernie is not a racist and neither are 97 percent of his supporters
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:11 PM
May 2016

Nor is Bernie racially apathetic. Nor are his supporters.

BootinUp

(47,434 posts)
49. You erected a strawman and beat it down.
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:23 PM
May 2016

Because neither Barney Frank nor I suggested anything along that line. On the other hand, demographics played a very large part of determining the outcome. The bottom line is people pick the candidate they feel identifies most closely with their views and supports thier issues.

Barney Franks main point in the interview was that the process for the nomination and the party platform and the rules committee was fair. He also said he favored more primaries over caucuses, and that he was not opposed to eliminating superdelegates.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
32. If you can't find a single Democrat you agree with...
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:33 PM
May 2016

like Barney Frank - then maybe, just maybe you're not a...

TheKentuckian

(25,167 posts)
43. There is a duopoly operative, for practical purposes we have two options of party
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:07 PM
May 2016

Trying to deal with the least offensive one or stopping the most offensive one doesn't require anyone to agree with Frank.

You seem to want the benefits and privileges of being half of the governing structure but none of the hassle and negotiations of holding people beyond a tiny perspective to your side. Well, get busy changing election laws and probably the constitution or deal with some push beyond your perspective.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
53. I understand how this all functions.
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:33 PM
May 2016

I'm not the one whining about it.

It wouldn't matter to me which candidate won the nomination - I know what I do in November without reservation.

No one has to convince me to go along with the Democratic consensus.

Nixon, Reagan, Bush did that years ago. I don't forget.

TheKentuckian

(25,167 posts)
65. I thought maybe I responded to the wrong person but it was you who said
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:46 PM
May 2016

" If you can't find a single Democrat you agree with...

like Barney Frank - then maybe, just maybe you're not a..."


My point stands as stated. No one has to agree with Barney or anyone else literally ever and yes you will get unending push back and down right mutiny when insisting on at least partially representing what the opposition is 100% devoted to, you want the the phony, only expanding to right fake big tent then a bunch will be kicking and screaming the whole way because that is the only option we effectively have.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
67. Where is the Democrat you do like?
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:13 PM
May 2016

That's the question.

"Clinton sucks. Obama sucks. Democratic senators suck, House reps suck..."

We have a Big Tent, but you got to enter it to be in it!

You're not in it if you stand outside and throw rocks at it all day and all night!

TheKentuckian

(25,167 posts)
97. Well, we have circled back to the original response then.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:37 AM
Jun 2016

I don't have to like any of them(not that is exactly the case for me personally, I think there is a handful or two of pretty good Democrats though only a few are really great), I have only to be more appalled by the circus barking racists, theocrats, anti tax loons, Birchers, and neocons, that's it

treestar

(82,383 posts)
38. .....
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:45 PM
May 2016
"Chad Griffin’s one of those people whose political judgment seems to be off," Frank said. "The fact is that HRC, and I, and everybody else were for an inclusive bill in 2007. The issue was we did not have the votes for an inclusive bill. It wasn’t a failure of will. Then the question was, was something better than nothing? Was it better to pass a bill that was protective of lesbian, gay and bisexual people or pass nothing? We tried very hard."


It seems it was a matter of what could pass.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
44. Practical considerations don't matter to the "all or nothing" crew
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:08 PM
May 2016

Many of them think we need to become destitute in a Nazi-like Trump presidency, then have a bloody revolution versus making incremental changes.

Tortmaster

(382 posts)
39. That's seriously funny shit from Barney Frank!
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:59 PM
May 2016

It's also funny reading The New York Daily News editorial board interview of Senator Sanders because the Senator has no clue what's in Dodd-Frank.

 

TimPlo

(443 posts)
69. Love reading post like this
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:22 PM
May 2016

Because it really screams out someone who had no clue. If actually read the full interview you would understand that NY Daily News board did not know difference between the Dept of Treasure and Federal Reserved. And then go on to say Sanders did not know about Dodd-Frank. It is so funny that low information people repeat talking points for so long.

Tortmaster

(382 posts)
70. You need to write better.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:21 PM
May 2016

And The New York Daily News interview is there, forever, for the world to see. Here's a snippet:


Daily News: Okay. Well, let's assume that you're correct on that point. How do you go about doing it?

Sanders: How you go about doing it is having legislation passed, or giving the authority to the secretary of treasury to determine, under Dodd-Frank, that these banks are a danger to the economy over the problem of too-big-to-fail.

Daily News: But do you think that the Fed, now, has that authority?

Sanders: Well, I don't know if the Fed has it. But I think the administration can have it.

Daily News: How? How does a President turn to JPMorgan Chase, or have the Treasury turn to any of those banks and say,Daily News: Okay. Well, let's assume that you're correct on that point. How do you go about doing it?

Sanders: How you go about doing it is having legislation passed, or giving the authority to the secretary of treasury to determine, under Dodd-Frank, that these banks are a danger to the economy over the problem of too-big-to-fail.

Daily News: But do you think that the Fed, now, has that authority?

Sanders: Well, I don't know if the Fed has it. But I think the administration can have it.

Daily News: How? How does a President turn to JPMorgan Chase, or have the Treasury turn to any of those banks and say, "Now you must do X, Y and Z?"

Sanders: Well, you do have authority under the Dodd-Frank legislation to do that, make that determination.

Daily News: You do, just by Federal Reserve fiat, you do?

Sanders: Yeah. Well, I believe you do.




It gets funnier after that. I especially liked the Editorial Board question: "Do you believe or do you know?" That was very embarrassing for the Senator.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
98. Wouldn't that had been his job to correct them and then give his answer? Just because
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:28 AM
Jun 2016

the reporter is wrong, is not a good reason to give a clear answer on the main part of your platform.

 

TimPlo

(443 posts)
100. So you are picking apart Sanders interview skills
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:33 AM
Jun 2016

Talk about petty. I mean anything to distract from real issues like a FBI investigation, Nope important thing is how well can a President bullshit in a interview instead of answer questions honestly.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
103. Well, I just think that if you are giving an interview and the reporter
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jun 2016

misstates something, it might be a good idea to clear it up. I would hope that he wouldn't be bullshiting the interview if it's the main part of his platform, but could answer the question. That's what I was responding to...nothing about the FBI...

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
42. I could never understand a damn word he says.
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:04 PM
May 2016

It always sounds like he has pea gravel and road tar in his mouth when he's talking.

Always did

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
46. Isn't making fun of a person's speaking manner kind of small?
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:10 PM
May 2016

Trump made fun of a person who had issues communicating, nice job.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
50. Repeat.....I have an EXTREMELY difficult time understanding anything he says.
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:26 PM
May 2016

Why? Because of the reason given above.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
48. I'm not big on a number of things Frank has done over the years.
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:14 PM
May 2016

But he is on target coming back at Sanders for what they did. Keep bringing it Frank.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
55. Frank IMO is a short fused vindictive "stretcher of the truth"
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:38 PM
May 2016

Not a good choice for the convention. Wall St must have picked him.

aikoaiko

(34,193 posts)
66. Barney Frank proves that he is buased with "Senator Sanders didn't realize black votes matter."
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:52 PM
May 2016

No one is harassing you Barney -- you've been a good attack dog for the banks you work for. I remember when you were great.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
86. The second Sanders decided to go after him for the irredeemable "crime" of not supporting him
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:34 PM
May 2016

I've been waiting for Frank to say something.

This is pretty good but we all know Frank is holding back. Speak your mind, Barney! Don't bite your tongue. Let it alllllllllllllllll hang out!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
89. Here is the video. One thing I didn't know is that not only did the Sanders camp want Frank/Malloy
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:43 PM
May 2016

removed, they have actually threatened to slow down the Convention if they don't get what they're asking for.

There are no words for how low this man has sunk during this primary.

http://www.msnbc.com/kate-snow/watch/barney-frank-bernie-sanders-claims-bogus-696134723830

Frank also notes that Sanders has "never been to a Democratic convention" which may explain some of his obvious confusion.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
101. Bernie is making me very tired.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:34 AM
Jun 2016

If it's not one thing it's another. When my kids were younger they acted this way if they were in trouble or wanted to get their way...deflect until something stuck so they could get their way or not be in trouble. I'm too old for this shit.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
104. You know, if you're trashing Barbara Boxer, Jerry Brown, and Barney Frank in the same week
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 11:40 AM
Jun 2016

you might be applying a purity test that EVERYONE will fail. Including your own candidate. You also might not be a Democrat.

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