The Biden rumor shows how out of touch the Dem Party Leaders are

[Dems2002]

So, if I am the Democratic Party, and I'm worried that Clinton might possibly have to drop her bid for President at the last possible second, and I loath Bernie Sanders then what should I do?

Pick Elizabeth Warren as her replacement.

There are a number of Hillary delegates who are incredibly excited to vote for the first female president. Is the Party really prepared to deal with these supporters on the convention floor and convince them to vote for a white male replacement?

I understand that many of Hillary's delegates would be loath to vote for Sanders. However, I also know that delegates are more "regular folk" and will not appreciate a system that is rigged by the party leadership.

In such a scenario, it seems much more likely that Sanders would be able to keep his delegates united and peel away a few hundred of Hillary's delegates who would be incredibly angry to lose the chance to vote for THEIR candidate.

Elizabeth Warren is the one person who might be able to peel away some Bernie supporters and Hillary supporters. She is also a much better choice in an election where the electorate is screaming for change.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

1. The Biden rumor shows that people like to spread rumors.

That's it. No one aside from clueless pundits and message board folks are talking about Biden.

[Cali_Democrat]

3. Exactly. nt

[BillZBubb]

5. Possibly, but not one of us on DU knows exactly what's happening behind the scenes.

I'm sure party insiders are concerned about the situation but not yet to the point of trying to line up and alternative. It would be expected that Biden would be on the list of possibilities if the concern grows.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

10. And speculation like you just provided fuels rumors. nt

[BillZBubb]

18. I didn't know I was so powerful!

[AgingAmerican]

24. You mean like the DNC?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/politics/democratic-debate-joe-biden-ad-draft-biden/

[Dr Hobbitstein]

30. Draft Biden is the DNC?

And that was before Biden said he wasn't going to run.

[AgingAmerican]

31. The DNC started this, yes

In their panic once Sanders started winning primaries.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

32. Proof? nt

[AgingAmerican]

33. You replied to the post where I provided it

Back up for a second.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

35. Yeah, that's just an ad.

Nowhere does the article say the DNC ran it. The ad ran DURING the debate, but that's because Draft Biden bought the time.

[AgingAmerican]

36. Watch the video

It's all there. DNC and all.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

38. Paid For By Draft Biden 2016, Not Authorized By Any Candidate or Candidate's Comittee. nt

[AgingAmerican]

39. The video isn't an ad

Watch it

[Dr Hobbitstein]

40. The video is discussing that ad.

Draft Biden 2016 is a Super PAC that tried to get Biden to run. It shut down shortly after Biden said he wasn't going to run.

Why are you trying to misrepresent this? You already lied about the timeframe.

[AgingAmerican]

41. The video isn't an ad, thus it is not paid for by Draft Biden

Watch it

[Dr Hobbitstein]

42. I did watch it.

Then I watched the ad they were talking about in the video. The ONLY mention of the DNC is that Biden met with them to discuss a possible run. Back in October of 2015. Before the first debate. Before he decided NOT to run. The video AND the article are from October, 2015.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

34. Also, that ad was from October of 2015.

The first primary was Feb 1, 2016.

I believe you are wrong.

[geek tragedy]

2. the 'establishment' is not spreading Biden rumors nt

[Kentonio]

4. Of course they are, they're the ones setting up the Plan B in case the wheels come off for Clinton

It's '72 all over again, except this time they acted early instead of waiting until the convention to try and run an 'Anyone But' candidate.

It makes me laugh when people act as if the idea of the major Democratic figures trying to fix the race is some kind of wild fantasy. In 72 they actually tried to get a vote passed to overturn the winner takes all result from CA and hand nearly half the delegates to Humphrey to stop McGovern having enough delegates to win the first ballet. This kind of thing isn't new, or crazy or a conspiracy theory, it's just how people think and act in Presidential politics.

Anyone who thinks the DNC power players haven't had long and deep discussions about a potential replacement for Hillary if she's indicted are being painfully naive.

[geek tragedy]

6. 16 more days of this stuff nt

[Kentonio]

8. Seriously it's like talking to children sometimes.

Do you really know absolutely nothing about the history of this party or indeed how politics has been conducted since it first existed? Putting forward a challenge to 'the establishment' is nothing more or less than a challenge to well connected and wealthy people's livelihoods and the power structures they have in some cases spent lifetimes building. When that happens, people rarely take that lying down, or indeed trust to the wisdom of the electorate to decide their fates.

Electoral shenanigans happen basically every election cycle, and yet people still act as if it's an insane fantasy. It really is no surprise that this stuff continues to happen with depressing regularity.

[geek tragedy]

9. Children believe in fairy tales, like the one where Bernie wins the nomination despite

losing the vote by a decisive margin.

[Kentonio]

12. If it's a simple matter of Clinton winning more delegates then she should win the nomination.

There have been numerous irregularities in the road to this point though, which is why if she is forced to drop out I won't lose a seconds sleep over it. I also won't be in the slightest bit surprised when the party tries to parachute in a replacement, completely undermining any semblance of democracy.

[geek tragedy]

13. "numerous irregularities"--there have been numerous Bernie supporter conspiracy theories

floating around, but there has been nothing that would call into question the legitimacy of the voting process.

[Kentonio]

14. Sure there have, including decidedly questionable acts by state Democratic officials

But there's absolutely no point in covering that ground, because it's a waste of time. People like you would rather pretend political gaming of the system doesn't happen, or at least is only ever done by the other side.

[geek tragedy]

15. Clinton won fair and square, by getting a lot more votes.

There is no rational basis for someone to conclude that Bernie received more votes.

It's all sour grapes denialism

[Kentonio]

19. I never claimed he received more votes.

The Democratic primary has precisely nothing to do with who receives more votes from the public and it never has. If you want to beat that drum, then you better start campaigning for a total restructuring of the system.

[geek tragedy]

21. As of June 7, Clinton will have won the voting and will be the nominee as a result

Just like in 2008, when Obama won the voting and thus became the nominee

[AgingAmerican]

20. The establishment exists to further and preserve white privlege

[AgingAmerican]

26. It comes from the DNC aka the Democratic establishment

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/politics/democratic-debate-joe-biden-ad-draft-biden/

[NCTraveler]

7. I keep seeing Sanders supporters talking about Biden. nt.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

11. I don't vote based on gender, ethnicity, wealth, or shoe size.

But, Elizabeth Warren would be an acceptable replacement for Hillary if Bernie doesn't get the nod.

[AgingAmerican]

17. The fact she hasn't been running

Means there would be a steep 'name recognition' hill to climb and Trump would be the next president.

[AgingAmerican]

16. It tells you that they would rather have a Republican win than Sanders

Their aim is to preserve the corporate goose that lays the golden eggs.

[Dems2002]

22. Exactly

This is exactly it.

[Jester Messiah]

29. That's the truth.

Trump v. Hillary provides the illusion of choice. No meaningful difference, especially to the corporate types pulling the strings.

[Samantha]

23. Bernie waited so long to declare his candidacy because he was waiting to see what Warren would do

He was really hoping she would jump in. When she decided not to run, he did. I really don't think Warren wants to run now. Biden, Clinton and Bernie all separately talked to her in private before the race heated up. She never revealed the details of the conversations but the press asked her about it and from her answer it seemed to suggest the subject under discussion for sure. This was months ago.

Have you heard her say she really loves the job she has now? I think she does.

Sam

[MohRokTah]

25. The Democratic Party has no concern whatsoever about Hillary as the nominee.

It's only the Bernie or Busters that WANT something to happen with her candidacy.

Well, them and the Republicans, any way.

[AgingAmerican]

27. The panic and scramble to get Biden to save her started last February when Sanders started winning

And it came from the DNC.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/politics/democratic-debate-joe-biden-ad-draft-biden/

[Dr Hobbitstein]

37. Draft Biden is not the DNC.

They were a group who tried to encourage Biden to run.

[grossproffit]

28. Um, that's not how this rumor got started.