If I were President Obama, I would be righteously pissed off at Hillary

[hootinholler]

The only real stain on his legacy is her term at State. I realize she trapped him into the appointment in 2008 to bring her PUMAs to heel.

I wonder if he thinks it was worth it. I'm surprised he has been so quiet about her escapades.

[CentralMass]

1. I would image that he is.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Legally he has no choice

Speaking either way is interfering in tje process

[hootinholler]

4. I don't think it's a legal question

There's no law against a President stating a preference for a candidate.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. No, but there are regulations

About making comments regarding somebody under an ongoing investigation that might include legal jeopardy. I suspect she qualifies

[NWCorona]

41. And why say something when what appears to be coming will be punishment enough.

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. That strikes me as both common decency

And well again, legal common sense

[CorporatistNation]

55. A Little Something Else ... What In The End... Got Nixon?

MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...

Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...

Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"

Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"

Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!

[dragonfly301]

3. I hope he's saving it all for his memoir

it'll be a hell of a read! Then again, Michelle's memoir might be even better - I sense she's not that fond of the Clinton's.

[840high]

34. I think Michelle remembers

all Hillary threw at her husband last time.

[Silver_Witch]

56. Prrof that Michelle is truly a lady!

I tnhink she is wonderful and the restraint she has when faced with unbridged hate and ugliness. Best First Lady EVER!!!!

[NCTraveler]

6. You would also be President. Nt

[hrmjustin]

7. You always go for gold.

[Trust Buster]

8. Actually, it's Sanders that the President and the White House despise. The "O" man will be out

on the campaign trail with Hillary soon.

[2banon]

27. Obama told ya that, did he?

Did he whisper it in your ear over the phone? Or maybe he tweeted how much he hates Sanders. I must have missed that one..

[Trust Buster]

39. Re-read the thread title and snap out of it.

[TwilightZone]

9. You might want to look around.

To many on DU, just about everything President Obama has ever done is a "stain on his legacy".

This site can often be nearly as anti-Obama as it is anti-Clinton.

Your assertion that Clinton "trapped" him into SOS is one of the more ludicrous things I've seen on DU.

[JudyM]

25. Oh right, he was so pleased with how she acted in the primaries that he couldn't wait to invite her

to join his cabinet.

And why now, he says Libya is his greatest regret. Libya is another way of saying Hillary was his biggest mistake.

But politics being as they are, which may be a surprise to you, he cannot act like he's completely righteously pissed at her.

[bjo59]

10. I'm sure what he feels personally is very different from what he will ever say publicly.

He threw his lot in with Wall Street and he will never undermine that. I also think that he is incredibly invested in getting those three "free trade" deals passed, something he won't see while he is president. He knows that they'll pass under Hillary Clinton. It's very, very important to globalist plans that nobody come along and rock the boat now. Bernie Sanders is enemy #1 in that regard. I do think Obama is very pissed off underneath the facade but the business of economically re-ordering the world must not be derailed. Ugh.

[Arazi]

17. ^^^^This ^^^^ Obama's now "in the club"

[sheshe2]

24. Wow.

I'm sure what he feels personally is very different from what he will ever say publicly.

You sure? Ahhh I get it, you are a mind reader.

He threw his lot in with Wall Street and he will never undermine that.

Please link to all of your accusations. TIA.

I also think that he is incredibly invested in getting those three "free trade" deals passed, something he won't see while he is president. He knows that they'll pass under Hillary Clinton. It's very, very important to globalist plans that nobody come along and rock the boat now.

You think? You think? Who are you? Wow, you go on to say he knows. Are you a personal advisor to this president? Or is a Vulcan mind meld?

Bernie Sanders is enemy #1 in that regard. I do think Obama is very pissed off underneath the facade but the business of economically re-ordering the world must not be derailed. Ugh.

You think a lot here. Don't back any of it up with facts.

[karynnj]

49. I think Obama had little chance to nominate anyone other than people like Geitner in 2009

given the fear on Wall Street that began in September 2008.

For years, I posted otherwise. A month ago, I went to a talk by a local professor on the American Presidency. In the Q&A, he was asked how he thought Sanders winning - if he miraculously pulled it off - would change things. He referred to having written a Commondreams article on just this. He suggested that as soon as Bernie won, wall street would get fearful and start to fall, only by selecting people THEY are comfortable with, could he steady the ship and move forward.

I just googled the article and here it is - http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/06/17/wild-ride-president-elect-bernie-sanders
Here is the relevant paragraph.

How does this power structure imprison the president? As a thought experiment, imagine the morning after he is elected President in 2016. What would greet President-elect Bernie Sanders after the victory parties die down and residents of Burlington, VT awaken to their first cup of coffee? The most immediate impact would be a steep decline in global financial markets, as investors registered their panic at the “reckless” decision reached by U.S. voters. The swift negative response would be amplified by fears in corporate boardrooms, as the specter of severe market instability and declining business confidence wracked the capitalist world. With a financial meltdown looming, president-elect Sanders would be facing a business reaction known as “capital strike.” And that’s just day one after the election. With little prospect of the economic tumult subsiding during his 11 week transition period, Sanders would face enormous pressure to calm the fears of the market by announcing the appointment of moderates to hold Cabinet positions—non-confrontational, non-ideological people who would be “acceptable” to political and economic power holders. No radicals for the Treasury Department, no thoughts of Ben and Jerry as Co-Secretaries of Commerce, no union firebrand to head the Labor Department, no Bill McKibben leading the Interior Department. Only nice, “safe” choices would suffice—personnel decisions that would undermine the progressive vision of his campaign. In short, the economics of “capital strike” would threaten to trump the verdict of democracy.

Now, Obama is far more a mainstream politician than Sanders is, but the forces on him, given the unique financial turmoil, would have meant that the pressures on him would have been even stronger. This goes beyond the reason I saw given here in 2009, that Geitner, having been there, knew where the "bodies were buried."

[sheshe2]

11. Lol~ You are a hoot.

Move over, there are some adults on stage.

Gotta say, you crack me up.

[eastwestdem]

12. They are just stirring the pot. No one listens to them anymore. nt

[QC]

19. You sure figgered this place out awful quick!

Member since: Fri Apr 15, 2016, 08:51 PM
Number of posts: 299
Number of posts, last 90 days: 299

[NWCorona]

45. The last picture is the best one!

I think the Obama/Clinton relationship is a complicated one to say the least. I also think that they have grown together more than apart over the years.

That said, I don't think Obama likes that Hillary was working with Sid behind his back.

[Silver_Witch]

59. If pictures are proof for you then trump and the Clinton's at the wedding

Are proof they are friends. Am I right?

[Hydra]

13. I see the usual suspects stopped by already

But we know he's not happy at the moment. Hillary's bad judgement taints his legacy and having to support her to continue his programs is drawing him down into the whirlpool as well.

I have to think he's leaning heavily towards Biden switching out for her at this point.

[sheshe2]

16. His legacy will never be tainted.

No matter how hard you wish for it.

[Hydra]

18. He's acknowledged Libya was a mistake

One that Hillary played a pivotal role in convincing him on. With Sid's help. That she was forbidden by President Obama from soliciting.

See where this is going? And wishing for things is silly- the reality on the ground is what it is. She disobeyed direct orders and procedures when the President was her boss. She choose to do that. She can live with the consequences. President Obama will have to as well for allowing her into a position she couldn't handle maturely.

[madokie]

37. His legacy is in tack

He'll go down in history as one of our better Presidents. he get kudos from me for how he handles everything from the hate thrown at him by him by the right and some of the left to domestic and foreign policy. He's worked hard at restoring our love in the world. That I give him good if not great marks for.

I love my President!

[sheshe2]

21. ...

[Demsrule86]

23. You guys are obviously not Dems

You have no clue how primaries or elections work.

[Octafish]

54. LOL!

"She said she'd never heard about bank to bank wire transfers and the check's in the mail!"

[Skwmom]

14. I don't get it

[basselope]

15. The stink of Clinton shadow his whole presidency.

Look at the people he ended up surrounding himself with... Think of the people who got left out.

Very likely all part of the deal that staved off the potential convention battle.

[underthematrix]

35. I happen to love the people he surrounds himself with. I

especially love his inner circle because he can absolutely trust them, something no other president can say. Not one.

DC is filled with snakes lots and lots of snakes. So you may not know why he left them but i usually assume they weren't selected because there a serious mismatch between their pubic and private selves.

[basselope]

36. geitner... clinton... kerry..

great trustworhy souces.

[underthematrix]

38. Bernie Sanders used his position as a US senator to secure a loan

for his wife when she was president of Burlington. Many have claimed her poor business decisions led to the college going to defunct. From this should I conclude both Bernie and his wife are unethical and corrupt?

Geitner was an excellent Treasury Secretary given the circumstances at the time. Clinton did some good things while she was SoS and John Kerry has been extraordinary having negotiated the Iran Deal.

I think what people fail to understand is that so many of our problems are related to corporations that go into POC countries to steal the resources, destroy the environment, get cheap labor and avoid the long arm of the IRS. We contribute to the madness by the shit they make using cheap labor which is immoral.

[basselope]

60. Do we live on different planets?

Geithner was an excellent Treasury Secretary???

He did manage a large transfer of wealth from the taxpayers to the bank, with 0 risk to the banks... all in the name of "saving the economy", when in reality he was creating larger more powerful institutions via risk free loans.

Clinton as SoS did some good things? Between destabilizing the M.E and Honduras, what did she accomplish???

Kerry "extraordinary"?? Because of the Iran Deal??? The Iran Deal is basically meaningless. It kicks the can down the road.. that is if you worry about that can. I couldn't think of a bigger waste of time than the Iran Deal. Iran will have nuclear weapons someday soon (10-20 years at the longest).

Geithner, Kerry, Clinton were ALL complicit in what you highlight as the biggest problem. In fact, Clinton contributed to it by pushing Fracking as a good alternative.

The reality is.. Obama's key cabinet positions were mostly made up of Clinton loyalists.. people were hoping for Camelot 2.0 and they got politics as usual.

[karynnj]

58. Without Kerry, there likely would have been neither an Iran deal or a Paris climate pact

that nearly 200 countries joined. President Obama gets the main credit and with ACA and saving the economy to the degree he did they are the high points of his legacy. However, the Iran deal would not have happened if not for the intense perseverance and skill of John Kerry. Obama himself publicly never gave it more than a 50/50 chance even after the frame work was done. As to the Paris Climate change pact, when Kerry came in he wanted climate change to be a signature issue, but was told that the view was little was possible diplomatically. On his first trip to China, Kerry met with the people he knew in China who had been negotiators on this in previous climate change summits and returned to tell Obama that there was an opening. Negotiations, including at Kerry's Boston home, led to the US/China pact, which led to the Lima summit, that no one had much hope for before that being successful to the accord in Paris.

As to trustworthy, Kerry is as trustworthy as it gets. He consistently offers Obama the respect and credit due to him as President.

[joshcryer]

20. There is no proof he offered State for unity.

This is such bullshit.

[Demsrule86]

22. Oh Baloney

He is more likely pissed at Bernie for picking fox groupie West who called him the N-word...Bernie hates Obama and threatened to primary him in 12...not love lost there. And Obama who has worked hard does not want to see a Trump presidency ...Bernie threatens the general...I have not doubt he wants Bernie gone...he is a thorn in the side of all Democrats now.

[imari362]

26. Really?

He'd rather has someone in office who will have the media on a continuous feed frenzy of scandals/real, imagined, Bills, or hers.....his hard work will be tarred forever with another Clinton in the WH.

As for Dr. West he did less than what the Clinton's had in '08 and it seems to me he didn't hold that against either one of them....I don't believe he is vindictive in that way.

It makes more logical sense to me that Hillary got the SOS position, not because she changed her PUMA's minds...because many of them stuck to their guns...but because it kept her out of his re-election bid in '12... maybe as they agreed...and she would at least not fade into nothingness or spend those 4yrs attacking him...which would have doomed her chances forever.....I don't believe that President Obama will be campaigning too very hard for her if she is the nominee, he may be out there but won't break much of a sweat....MY opinion.

[Demsrule86]

30. West is a Fox groupie and Bernie stepped in that one

Obama does not like Bernie.

"Recently, President Obama has faced fire from many in his own base for endorsing unpopular proposals that would include regressive cuts to Social Security in order to win a hike in the debt ceiling.
Today, while appearing on Thom Hartmann’s radio show, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) — who, while being an independent, caucuses with the Democrats — said that one way progressives can make sure Obama does not enact huge cuts to major social programs is to run a primary challenger against him. Sanders told a listener who called in to protest a debt ceiling deal that cuts Social Security that such a challenge would be a “good idea”:
SANDERS: Brian, believe me, I wish I had the answer to your question. Let me just suggest this. I think there are millions of Americans who are deeply disappointed in the president; who believe that, with regard to Social Security and a number of other issues, he said one thing as a candidate and is doing something very much else as a president; who cannot believe how weak he has been, for whatever reason, in negotiating with Republicans and there’s deep disappointment. So my suggestion is, I think one of the reasons the president has been able to move so far to the right is that there is no primary opposition to him and I think it would do this country a good deal of service if people started thinking about candidates out there to begin contrasting what is a progressive agenda as opposed to what Obama is doing. […] So I would say to Ryan [sic] discouragement is not an option. I think it would be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition"

thinkprogress.org/special/2011/07/22/277124/bernie-sanders-primary-obama/

[imari362]

33. Thanks

My post is based on my knowledge of already knowing what you posted here, as I have listen to Thom Hartman for close to a decade now and I got to know, love and support Bernie Sanders because of his being a constant on there.

I knew and read Think Progress long before I knew DU back doing the '08 election cycle, I got the links to these places from a now defunct political site I was a member of.

Again, I Thank You


P.S. We The People failed to hold President Obama's feet to the fire on the ideals and what he campaigned on in '08.
This is why we support Senator Bernie Sanders

[Demsrule86]

53. I listened to Tom for years to

And I heard Sanders once a week...why do you post this stuff...when you know Bernie does not like Obama and has said terrible things? Why the deception? Pres. Obama has been a great president in difficult times...but pure folks like Bernie can't handle the reality of governing...Obama has hinted a couple of times that Bernie needs to go..and he does...Bernie is not well like by anyone he works with...and with all the backstabbing and suing...you can see why. I am irritated with Tom at the moment because he repeated a BOB lie...about delegates...Tom know all is needed is a simple majority...anyone who has been around the political block knows...but he repeated the pledged delegate meme as well. I donate to Free Speech TV because of Tom and Stephanie Miller as well... I have Sirius radio...I may not donate if Tom keeps it up. It is OK to have any opinion but do not screw with the facts.

[redstateblues]

28. All the Obama bashers on DU are now worried about his legacy

Rather ironic

[Stellar]

51. hear, hear! nt.

[JoePhilly]

52. + 1

[zappaman]

29. Can't tell you how glad I am you're not President Obama!

[KingFlorez]

31. The PUMA's did not need to be brought to heel, because they were a non-factor

Just like the Bernie or Bust crowd will be.

[Vincardog]

32. Obama's legacy is TPP.

[BootinUp]

40. In what universe would you and Obama be similar? lol.

[EffieBlack]

42. But you're not and he's not.

[B Calm]

44. He hasn't endorsed her yet. Could be he's waiting to see what the Justice Dept

is going to do.

[karynnj]

46. We might not know for nearly a decade if she become President -- if then

In public, Obama has been nothing but complimentary towards Hillary. Mark Lanler, a NYT reporter who is an author of a a recent Obama book (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/books/review/alter-egos-hillary-clinton-barack-obama-and-the-twilight-struggle-over-american-power-by-mark-landler.html ) mentioned both his clear affection for Biden and his clear regard and respect for Hillary Clinton, comparing it favorably to his relationship with Kerry. (The review does not itself state that but at least the kindle sample of the book does.)

Obama has spoken more than he really should have, given that his DOJ is still investigating her, expressing confidence in her. Consider that if he is as angry as you suggest, he could easily back in March 2015 when this surfaced changed the race by very very tepid support at a point before the race started. (Think Eisenhower level - Ike said he would have think about it to name a Nixon accomplishment.) In fact, he couldn't have praised Clinton more than he did -- or reacted less to Clinton comments knocking his reluctant to go all in with the Syrian rebels. This suggests to me that either Obama personally really did think she would be a good President or the most likely to keep the Presidency Democratic.

I can make up conspiracy theories about it, but if you look at almost any possibility, if it were true - it would not be publicly said. SOme might includethat he thought that he thought the Clintons would splinter the party if she again were passed over. It could be "the President's club" mentality and him already including her with her husband -- into an elite that Biden and Kerry, both more honorable people, will not join. It could be that he still prefers the Clintons be on his side.

[Martin Eden]

47. We (including her most ardent supporters) should all be righteously pissed off at Hillary ...

... if her terrible judgment in conducting SoS business on a private email server and subsequent lies result in Donald Trump becoming POTUS.

[pdsimdars]

48. He hasn't been that "quiet about her escapades." He has gone out twice to make a pitch FOR her.

How many times have you heard politicians say they "can't comment on an ongoing investigation?" That's ALWAYS what they say. Not Obama, two times he has made excuses for her on national TV. That is not what I call being quiet.

And I think that is how he muddies himself up. When someone stabs you in the back, you don't draw them in close and protect them. . . you distance yourself from them and let the law sort it out. If you try to protect them, you own it. What a stupid mistake on his part.

[Stellar]

50. Bernie or Hillary...they will need President Obama's support to help them become President.

As it stands Senator Sanders (as far as I know) put somebody on his team that is not Obama friendly and that being Cornell West (not his tag team buddy, Tavis Smiley) have been into it about Obama since before he was elected president. Hillary already has the African American community as I've been reading. I voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary here in Illinois and was pissed off when I heard about Cornell West. I'm was wondering if that was Senator Sanders way of sticking it to my President because West doesn't mind doing it, and that will certainly piss off the Black community. I didn't like the racist b.s. that the Clinton's (both of them) bought with them from 2008.

The way I see it...they both have some issues that they must overcome as well as Obama, and his ratings are up. So get along, we MUST NOT let Trump win the election.

I will vote BLUE no matter who.

[laserhaas]

57. Chances are, he is really pissed, after doing all he can, to help calm the situation down

But she and Billy Bo, just went to far.

If she makes it in, as nominee, it's gong to get REAL messy;
because her baggage gives GOP a strong advantage.

And - if she overcomes that to get in the WH - we are all screwed;
but the Rethugs will have a REAL issue to try to impeach her for.
(OR - keep her in check with - while pretending they're going after her)