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Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:06 AM May 2016

Reuters: "Trump, Sanders explore staging unusual presidential debate" (Hillary - it's not too late!)

Before linking and excerpting the article, I want to point out that the Sanders-Trump debate is not set in stone yet and if Hillary simply un-reneges on the agreed upon debate schedule with Sanders, the other debate can be cancelled and Hillary can reap the following benefits:

* she gets primetime access to a huge audience for free
* she has a perfectly timed platform to give her general election message
* she gets a chance to show herself more centrist than Sanders
* she avoids the Trump-Sanders debate that makes her look scared to debate

link to Trump, Sanders explore staging unusual presidential debate; excerpt:

Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Bernie Sanders on Thursday explored staging an unconventional U.S. presidential debate that would sideline Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton and create a television spectacle that could attract huge ratings.

The two men - a billionaire and a democratic socialist - expressed interest in a one-on-one encounter in California even though Republican and Democratic presidential candidates traditionally do not debate each other until the parties have selected their nominees.

"I'd love to debate Bernie," Trump told reporters in North Dakota, after he secured enough delegates to clinch the Republican presidential nomination. "I think it would get very high ratings. It would be in a big arena."... Trump said a debate with Sanders could raise up to $15 million for charity.

"I'd love to debate Bernie, but they'll have to pay a lot of money for it," he said.

Hillary, you are missing a huge opportunity here! Find the smartest person in the room, and ask her: "Am I better off using the previously agreed California debate with Sanders to promote my own general election themes or am I better off reneging on that agreement and letting Trump take my spot in that debate?"
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Reuters: "Trump, Sanders explore staging unusual presidential debate" (Hillary - it's not too late!) (Original Post) Attorney in Texas May 2016 OP
Trump and Bernie recognize that it's time to focus on the GE lagomorph777 May 2016 #1
Clinton is focusing on the general election KingFlorez May 2016 #3
Hillary is not the nominee lagomorph777 May 2016 #5
She is the nominee KingFlorez May 2016 #7
Waaaahhh! lagomorph777 May 2016 #9
She has the delegate lead and the popular vote lead KingFlorez May 2016 #12
Dewey Defeats Truman (we can count on that because KingFlorez has already called it for Dewey) Attorney in Texas May 2016 #16
Again, look at who has the delegate lead KingFlorez May 2016 #18
Hillary had a delegate lead after the Iowa caucus. Why not call it then? Oh, that democracy thing... Attorney in Texas May 2016 #20
you expect the superdelegates to sanction suicide? reddread May 2016 #27
If she's the nominee, why is she still campaigning in the primary? You need to tell her she need not Attorney in Texas May 2016 #10
It's over save for the formalities KingFlorez May 2016 #14
Yeah, the FBI case is over but for the formalities too lagomorph777 May 2016 #15
If Sanders' only chance at winning is for his open to get arrested, then he's pathetic KingFlorez May 2016 #17
Yes, I'm sure the nice agent explained to you about those all-caps e-mails lagomorph777 May 2016 #22
Whatever KingFlorez May 2016 #23
She swept the series. Game 7 not necessary. And Trump is playing you Berniebros like a fiddle. LexVegas May 2016 #2
Someone's getting played, that's for sure. Not too late to fix it but time is running out. Attorney in Texas May 2016 #6
In December MSNBC, inc. Rachel, was in favor of having cross-pary debates before the nomination. TheBlackAdder May 2016 #29
She can reap a huge reward by staying above the fray KingFlorez May 2016 #4
Excellent game plan. I'll tell Mr. Reagan and Mr. Anderson that President Carter is above the fray. Attorney in Texas May 2016 #8
Blah, blah, blah KingFlorez May 2016 #11
It's not 1980. Carter was trusted by the voters and had a higher favorability rating than Hillary Attorney in Texas May 2016 #13
The candidates should not permit themselves to be manipulated by Trump. Tal Vez May 2016 #19
Trump isn't manipulating Sanders or Hillary. Hillary reneged on the agreed debate which manipulated Attorney in Texas May 2016 #21
I see. Your view is that Clinton is calling all the shots. Tal Vez May 2016 #24
Clearly, she's in control of this debate blunder, she's in control of the email server blunder, etc. Attorney in Texas May 2016 #25
So, you think that Sanders should continue waiting and hoping that Trump will give him some Tal Vez May 2016 #30
I'm sure her advisors have no desire to risk anything. They'll hunker down and wait it out. floriduck May 2016 #26
I doubt you will even see her in public after a fashion reddread May 2016 #28

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
3. Clinton is focusing on the general election
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:11 AM
May 2016

Why would Sanders focus on the general election since he is not the Democratic nominee? He's the odd man out.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
5. Hillary is not the nominee
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:12 AM
May 2016

and the prospects for that are rapidly dimming.

Even if she manages to pull it off, the GE is hopeless.

I hope you are excited about President Trump.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
9. Waaaahhh!
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:17 AM
May 2016

All caps don't make you look mature.

Get your head out of the sand. She blew it. Sorry you lost.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
12. She has the delegate lead and the popular vote lead
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:19 AM
May 2016

All caps is the way to get through to you people. It's stupid and delusional to think that Sanders won. Get back to your cell.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
27. you expect the superdelegates to sanction suicide?
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:52 AM
May 2016

thats the perfect GIF.

you might want to fail at all cost, but that would be the eternal death of the existing party structure.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
10. If she's the nominee, why is she still campaigning in the primary? You need to tell her she need not
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:17 AM
May 2016

continue campaigning in the primary. Hillary needs smart people like you to point this out to her.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
14. It's over save for the formalities
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:20 AM
May 2016

Her delegate lead isn't going to be over taken.

But Sanders won, right?

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
17. If Sanders' only chance at winning is for his open to get arrested, then he's pathetic
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:24 AM
May 2016

There won't be an indictment and when there isn't there will be outrage. Just remember that it's not a good idea to send angry or threatening emails to the FBI...

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
22. Yes, I'm sure the nice agent explained to you about those all-caps e-mails
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:38 AM
May 2016

And Bernie doesn't need an indictment; Hillary's campaign is in ruins regardless.

TheBlackAdder

(27,933 posts)
29. In December MSNBC, inc. Rachel, was in favor of having cross-pary debates before the nomination.
Fri May 27, 2016, 11:05 AM
May 2016

.


What happened?


.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
11. Blah, blah, blah
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:18 AM
May 2016

This is not 1980 or any other year. Sanders got less votes and lost. You don't win by losing. Only in dictatorships does that happen.

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
19. The candidates should not permit themselves to be manipulated by Trump.
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:25 AM
May 2016

I see Trump attempting to place himself in a position to interfere in the Democratic party. He has won his nomination and there is no advantage for him in debating anyone right now.

Trump now believes that he can call the tune for the Democrats. He is holding up a treat for Sanders and is encouraging Sanders to beg Trump to oblige him with a debate appearance. And, so long as he has Sanders jumping up and down to receive that treat, he believes that he is applying pressure on Clinton. However, in the end he will not grant anyone a debate unless he believes it to be in his own best interest.

Trump loves placing himself in the position of appearing to be dominating everyone else around him. Anyone who engages with Trump by dancing to his tune is volunteering to play a submissive role in Trump's public relations game. Trump loves this thing kind of thing. How long can he have one of his opponents jumping up and down and begging to be abused?

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
21. Trump isn't manipulating Sanders or Hillary. Hillary reneged on the agreed debate which manipulated
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:36 AM
May 2016

Sanders into seeking an alternative debater.

I'm pretty sure Sanders would forgive Hillary's manipulation if she would just honor her prior commitment.

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
24. I see. Your view is that Clinton is calling all the shots.
Fri May 27, 2016, 10:47 AM
May 2016

How long do you think Trump would permit it to appear that someone else is controlling events?

Trump does not need a debate to win his nomination. Sanders apparently feels that he needs a debate to win his nomination. And so, of course, Sanders appears to be the needy one. Trump loves this picture.

Trump will oblige Sanders with an appearance if, but only if, Trump believes that an appearance will make it more likely that he will be living in the White House next year. If he doesn't believe that it will help him, Trump will put the treat back in his pocket and laugh at the way Sanders was jumping up and down and begging for it.

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
30. So, you think that Sanders should continue waiting and hoping that Trump will give him some
Fri May 27, 2016, 11:07 AM
May 2016

attention? "Maybe he will call. Maybe he will call. If he does, I'll come running. Oh, maybe he will call. Please call, Donald."



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