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IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:02 PM May 2016

Guccifer News (Warning: from FOX)

Last edited Thu May 26, 2016, 12:09 PM - Edit history (1)

ON EDIT: Yep, she scooped it! http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512057675

I went there so you don't have to - but candidly, this particular reporter has been getting some good scoops a little ahead of the other news outlets. Also, she donated a part of her liver to save her young child and is now an advocate for organ donation, so she has some good karma points. As for her work ethic, she is very cautious about identifying "opinion versus fact" which I like, and she keeps getting her hands on actual documents, including apparently, a copy of the plea agreement. HOWEVER, she is from FOX, so skeptiscm is reasonable. In other words, take the "provable facts" in context, and wait for the rest to play out.



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/25/hacker-who-claims-breached-clinton-server-pleads-guilty-strikes-deal-with-feds.html

Hacker who claims he breached Clinton server pleads guilty, strikes deal with feds, FOX News, May 25, 2016

The Romanian hacker who claimed he easily breached Hillary Clinton's email server pleaded guilty Wednesday in federal court to two counts of computer hacking charges, as part of a deal with the Justice Department.

In exchange for a reduced sentence, Marcel Lehel Lazar – also known as Guccifer -- has agreed to cooperate with federal authorities in the future.

Lazar pleaded guilty to the unauthorized access of a protected computer and aggravated identity theft, counts tied to his illegal intrusion into systems belonging to former U.S. government officials, including former Clinton adviser Sidney Blumenthal and former Secretary of State Colin Powell.
(snip)
As outlined in the plea agreement which Fox News has reviewed, Lazar has agreed to extensive cooperation with the U.S. government. According to the court filing, Lazar has agreed to be "reasonably available for debriefing and pre-trial conferences as the U.S. may require."

The document states: “The defendant agrees to testify truthfully and completely at any grand juries, trials or other proceedings.

Additionally, Lazar has agreed to provide all documents, writings, and recordings within his custody to the U.S. government that may be relevant to investigations or inquiries.
(more at link)


Interesting, eh? A hacker who worked alone has agreed to "testify truthfully and completely" about what? And what kind of documents does he have?



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Guccifer News (Warning: from FOX) (Original Post) IdaBriggs May 2016 OP
Anyone who didn't see this coming has their head in the sand. Fawke Em May 2016 #1
If he had breached her server and does have documents or copies to prove it, he wouldn't need a plea Jitter65 May 2016 #98
He says he has 2 gigs hidden somewhere. Fawke Em May 2016 #104
Hillary is toast... say hello to President Sanders! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2016 #102
boom, there it is. grasswire May 2016 #2
And some people will only focus on the word fox NWCorona May 2016 #3
Obviously they have a bias, but if they uncover the truth.... Yurovsky May 2016 #12
Agreed NWCorona May 2016 #13
The problem with being presumed innocent stops at the jwirr May 2016 #21
Her foot dragging hasn't helped... Yurovsky May 2016 #70
As they should, and Wolf today went full on right wingnut... scscholar May 2016 #73
I go to Fox - they 840high May 2016 #77
Completely factual. No need to apologize about the news source leveymg May 2016 #4
Purportedly 2 gigs worth NWCorona May 2016 #8
The question now turns to what did Russian intel learn from her files before they threw a bone to leveymg May 2016 #17
Wow, can you imagine if this could be tied in any way to Benghazi? Republican erections incoming! fancypants75 May 2016 #53
This reporter got her hands on a classified cable from the Ambassador IdaBriggs May 2016 #59
OMG. AzDar May 2016 #90
I care and I don't get 840high May 2016 #78
I had heard that Hillary had his schedule in her emails. pdsimdars May 2016 #103
And this is exactly the type of sensitive information that isn't "classified" Fawke Em May 2016 #105
You might be right in what you say; I just wondering why you think that because Samantha May 2016 #75
I think its entirely plausible the Russians had her server hacked from Day One, and had a complete leveymg May 2016 #94
Thanks for sharing your perspective Samantha May 2016 #119
This message was self-deleted by its author Beausoir May 2016 #5
+! DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #9
Dispute the facts not the source. panader0 May 2016 #23
Didn't like the 840high May 2016 #79
Adieu fair Beausoir. We hardly knew ye! corkhead May 2016 #117
Berners sure like Fox! YouDig May 2016 #6
NYT: "HRC's Greatest Influence" on Military Issues, a Fox News Pundit Who Makes Money From War amborin May 2016 #63
Hill fans sure hate the truth Logical Jun 2016 #127
Drip, drip, drip. If this doesn't stop soon Hillary will lose the election ... spin May 2016 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #10
You know they will madokie May 2016 #16
I haven't ignored you yet. But, I don't do that sorta thing. leveymg May 2016 #18
I've missed some of your good posts when you replied to people IdaBriggs May 2016 #22
I want to see what people say so I don't use ignore. leveymg May 2016 #32
You really believe he's going to be the nominee, don't you? barrow-wight May 2016 #27
We know he has Bill's white house doodles bobbobbins01 May 2016 #11
"It's Fox, but this reporter is A-OK 'cause she says what I want to hear!" TwilightZone May 2016 #14
Actually, she keeps getting scoops and has won some serious awards. IdaBriggs May 2016 #19
Dan Abrams' outfit agrees with Fox's assessment: Fawke Em May 2016 #26
Dan Abrams got it wrong about HRC before he started to get it right. leveymg May 2016 #38
He seems to be getting it now if the most recent stories on his blog Fawke Em May 2016 #42
I'll go back and post it tomorrow. nt leveymg May 2016 #54
As recently as February, Abrams was arguing that 793 doesn't fit. He omits mention that other major leveymg May 2016 #100
Thanks for the info. Fawke Em May 2016 #114
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511889539 amborin May 2016 #65
Expand your universe beyond DU. 840high May 2016 #80
Isn't this saying that he did indeed hack into her computer? jwirr May 2016 #15
We don't have the details yet about which ones he is pleading guilty to, but IdaBriggs May 2016 #20
Thank you. jwirr May 2016 #24
If he lied about anything, e.g., hacking her server/2gb, his other testimony would be less credible. JudyM May 2016 #55
No. He "hacked" Blumenthal's AOL account. That's what this has all been about. Recursion May 2016 #62
If you have to qualify a news source that much, it just tells you right there what it's worth. barrow-wight May 2016 #25
You've been here two weeks and already have over 300 posts -- IdaBriggs May 2016 #31
Can you give us a few more caveats? barrow-wight May 2016 #37
Best that you do your own research. IdaBriggs May 2016 #44
That's no longer on Fox. barrow-wight May 2016 #51
Hillary likes Fox, according to the NYT: amborin May 2016 #67
Ida, Angel, stop feeding the trolls. There is NO POINT. And you should recognize them by now. pdsimdars May 2016 #107
Sigh. You are right. It just seems like if I give them a chance IdaBriggs May 2016 #108
Correct that Record! Break those Barriers! arcane1 May 2016 #64
Yep barrow-wight May 2016 #85
Attack the source. How Clintonian. 840high May 2016 #81
wow. barrow-wight May 2016 #83
the reason someone might do so much qualifying is to try to appease people like you pdsimdars May 2016 #106
Any excuse will do. barrow-wight May 2016 #116
Is it me or is this starting to accelerate? nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #28
They said it would be done in May at one point. IdaBriggs May 2016 #33
I will be on Friday covering the Trump rally nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #34
Hopefully before Memorial Day -- I have a $5 donation to DU IdaBriggs May 2016 #39
Funny indeed nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #41
We're not quite at end game yet. The IC report gets released next. leveymg May 2016 #52
That is a real worry, but not to true believers nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #57
I keep telling you... antigop May 2016 #74
regarding pressure to "sign off on a deal"... antigop May 2016 #118
You're getting your news from Fox? Man, that is real desperation. nt kstewart33 May 2016 #29
I'm not the one under investigation by the FBI, so not really IdaBriggs May 2016 #35
Ida, stay away from Faux News. kstewart33 May 2016 #40
Actually that particular reporter nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #43
Then go with other sources that have some credibility. kstewart33 May 2016 #46
Alas like those two, she is the one getting scoop, scoop, after scoop nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #49
Fox doesn't scare me. She seems 840high May 2016 #82
She is, though putting together my timeline nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #84
That's assuming that her "scoops" are real. Lord Magus May 2016 #86
Very much so they are nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #89
NYT says HRC likes Fox: amborin May 2016 #72
Ouch, it's coming... Bob41213 May 2016 #30
The shoe is unlikely to drop before the convention if he only just began cooperating today. Ash_F May 2016 #36
He formally took the plea yesterday. Fawke Em May 2016 #47
Good point. Ash_F May 2016 #50
He has been talking to the Feds for YEARS Bob41213 May 2016 #56
In that case they may be getting ready to get a sworn affidavit Ash_F May 2016 #58
The Smoking Gun website has been following him for a while. IdaBriggs May 2016 #66
Any port in a storm apparently mythology May 2016 #45
The FBI and DOJ apparently find him credible. IdaBriggs May 2016 #48
Or rather, Fox News says the FBI and DOJ find him credible. Lord Magus May 2016 #87
That was apparently quoted from the plea agreement, so, yes, the FBI and DOJ Fawke Em May 2016 #115
This message was self-deleted by its author IdaBriggs May 2016 #68
The "hack" in both cases was guessing their AOL password Recursion May 2016 #60
Whether this Guccifer hacked Hillary or not Merryland May 2016 #61
He hacked Sidney's AOL account nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #69
What makes that a fact at all? Lord Magus May 2016 #88
But he did say he got into her server and it was easy. pdsimdars May 2016 #110
And he's lying, because he provides no evidence to support that claim. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #121
That doesn't mean he's lying. He did have Bill Clinton's droodles from his WH days. pdsimdars Jun 2016 #131
Many of the top intelligence officials past and present ASSUME she was hacked. pdsimdars May 2016 #109
Thanks Ida pmorlan1 May 2016 #71
Me too, Ida. And Fox has been getting some good facts out there. Places like MSNBC pdsimdars May 2016 #111
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #76
Every time I see you saying "thank you for the post" IdaBriggs May 2016 #92
... Uncle Joe May 2016 #93
he likely has a pre-deletion picture of what was on there Baobab May 2016 #91
You'd think the DNC would have vetted her before pushing her out to the front! B Calm May 2016 #95
I believe they vetted the checks from her awesome fundraisers. IdaBriggs May 2016 #96
The nail has been hit squarely on the head!!! pdsimdars May 2016 #112
Thanks for keeping us up to date on fringe right wing talking points. NCTraveler May 2016 #97
Is there no loyalty in fairy land these days? Now you've moved on to the Guccifer Fairy! randome May 2016 #99
The Guccifer Fairy is friends with the Indictment Fairy. If you didn't know that, IdaBriggs May 2016 #101
Drip, drip, drip vintx May 2016 #113
It already is ugly that people on the left are using Fox News smears to make a case. -nt- Lord Magus Jun 2016 #122
Kick. nt nc4bo May 2016 #120
Of course it's from Fox. barrow-wight Jun 2016 #123
Your Membership Began: Tue May 17, 2016, 01:30 AM IdaBriggs Jun 2016 #128
Good catch! Nt Logical Jun 2016 #132
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #124
K&R TheFarS1de Jun 2016 #125
Don't get all atwitter MFM008 Jun 2016 #126
Why do you automatically assume his testimony will be used on Hillary? IdaBriggs Jun 2016 #129
I dearly hope that try to make some loony hacker the centerpiece of the anti-Hillary brigade Tarc Jun 2016 #130
 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
98. If he had breached her server and does have documents or copies to prove it, he wouldn't need a plea
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:34 AM
May 2016

He would do what Snowden did and handover the proof...and it would have been out there by now.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
104. He says he has 2 gigs hidden somewhere.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:13 AM
May 2016

But that is neither here nor there.

Try reading some of the news out of Russia about his involvement in helping lead their state-paid hackers to her server. Don't know if any of it is true since I don't know the validity of many Russian news sources, but the conversation is definitely out there and this could be the info that our government wants.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
2. boom, there it is.
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:05 PM
May 2016

Legal experts the other day were saying that if he pled guilty to hacking
Blumenthal that this would establish as evidence that HRC allowed classifed information to be vulnerable to foreign entities.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
12. Obviously they have a bias, but if they uncover the truth....
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:15 PM
May 2016

it doesn't magically make it untrue just because it was Fox News. And regardless of the source, the facts aren't facts unless they can be corroborated.

Like anyone else, Hillary is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. But there is also the court of public opinion, in which she is already held in pretty low regard.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
21. The problem with being presumed innocent stops at the
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:37 PM
May 2016

voting booth. A possible indictment would have to come into the reasoning on who to vote for.

I heard Nixon tell me "I am not a crook." I am not interested in voting for another possible person who might be either indicted or impeached.

She is presumed innocent in a court of law but no one else needs to make their decision on that. This needs to get cleared up as soon as possible.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
70. Her foot dragging hasn't helped...
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:23 PM
May 2016

I'm pretty sure this could have been resolved one way or the other a long time ago. But that's not the Clinton way.

 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
73. As they should, and Wolf today went full on right wingnut...
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:03 PM
May 2016

early today when interviewing Fallon. It's sad how much of an anti-Clinton bias the media has.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
4. Completely factual. No need to apologize about the news source
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:11 PM
May 2016

I agree, it's extraordinary that the Feds are treating Guccifer as a credible witness. He must have hacked her server and have files that are incriminating. Looks like his source for her server ID was Russian intelligence. Extraordinary.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
17. The question now turns to what did Russian intel learn from her files before they threw a bone to
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:25 PM
May 2016

him? Someone who is extremely smart suggested that her unsecure server may have provided Chris Stevens' killers with information about a highly classified US operation leading in some way to compromise of that program. Gawd only knows what's on the 30K "private" emails she and her lawyers and staff tried to erase.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
59. This reporter got her hands on a classified cable from the Ambassador
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:13 PM
May 2016

who was killed in Benghazi stating that the consulate couldn't withstand an attack sent the month before it all went down. She's got some good sources!

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
105. And this is exactly the type of sensitive information that isn't "classified"
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:15 AM
May 2016

but can still create massive problems if leaked into the wrong hands because you're exchanging this info on an unsecured server.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
75. You might be right in what you say; I just wondering why you think that because
Wed May 25, 2016, 11:09 PM
May 2016

I read he gave a copy of the contents of Hillary's server to Russia, China and one other country. So I am pretty sure he did hack her server and he did locate a number of different files, some of which had to have been classified. One of the emails on her server had the true name of an operative, as opposed to his or her alias. Later I read her server had a complete list which contained agents true identities as well as their undercover identities. Some of these operatives were on the job overseas.

Sam

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
94. I think its entirely plausible the Russians had her server hacked from Day One, and had a complete
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:23 AM
May 2016

view of the contents long before Guccifer reportedly got there in February 2013, at the time Hillary had left the State Department, and that window was no longer of much interest to Russian intelligence. Exposing it through a hacker all strikes me as Russian intel's way of thumbing their nose at what what they may have concluded was a disinformation program.

To a rational person, it makes no sense that the US Secretary of State would have opened this window to the world without US intelligence knowing about it, as well, unless the same US agencies wanted that to happen. I would agree that seems on its face to be a plausible explanation, except I can't believe that the entire USG would be going through such an elaborate charade to maintain such a fiction so long after it was made public.

None of it makes sense, in the larger view, even the theory that it was originally some sort of a disinformation program. The only plausible explanation at this point is that this was indeed an unauthorized system set up by Hillary and her small circle and that they did this despite the obvious dangers of exposure of the contents of the server, and that the NSA would pick up on it. Amateur recklessness and arrogance rather than professional cloak and dagger. All the time, NSA was watching until it all got blown sky-high in September, 2012.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
119. Thanks for sharing your perspective
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:27 PM
May 2016

Your words "none of it makes sense" jump out because that is exactly how I am starting to feel about the whole debacle.

Sam

Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

spin

(17,493 posts)
7. Drip, drip, drip. If this doesn't stop soon Hillary will lose the election ...
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:13 PM
May 2016

assuming she actually is the Democratic candidate for president.

Perhaps it might be wise for the Democratic Party to have a good back up ready to step in and substitute for Hillary if it proves necessary.

Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

madokie

(51,076 posts)
16. You know they will
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:25 PM
May 2016

This place was all but unreadable after Obama won because of the PUMA's. Yes I'm serious as a heart attack when I say that.
For a long time I couldn't figure out why it was allowed to continue but now I know. We had the same problem in the EE group with pro nukies. Posters getting by with a lot of shit that were way worse than what a lot of good posters have been banned from these pages for. I finally found out that the ignore function works so well that I don't worry with this kind of shit anymore as I'll just ignore them. I don't have enough time left in my life to put up with bullshit.

I'm sure I'm on a lot of ignore list myself and I'm fine with that.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
22. I've missed some of your good posts when you replied to people
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:37 PM
May 2016

I've got on my ignore list. Every time they keep saying "well she had no INTENT so it isn't a crime" I want to tell them to go read your posts on the topic.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
32. I want to see what people say so I don't use ignore.
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:49 PM
May 2016

I have the feeling a lot of the more obnoxious Hillary partisans are about to drop off, anyway. What will this place be like without them?

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
11. We know he has Bill's white house doodles
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:15 PM
May 2016

He already leaked those. Unless he got them from Sidney Blumenthal, he most likely pulled them off of Hillary's server.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
14. "It's Fox, but this reporter is A-OK 'cause she says what I want to hear!"
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:20 PM
May 2016

This place just keeps getting funnier.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
19. Actually, she keeps getting scoops and has won some serious awards.
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:32 PM
May 2016

Her bio says this:

Herridge has also reported from Afghanistan, Iraq, Qatar, Israel and Guantanamo Bay. She has covered stories including the ethnic conflicts in the former Yugoslavia, the Northern Ireland peace agreement, the investigation into Princess Diana's death and 9/11 in New York City. She is one of the few reporters to sit in the same military courtroom as the self-described architect of the 9/11 attack, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and his four alleged co-conspirators. Herridge and the network's team of investigative journalists traveled across the United States and to Yemen to complete an eighteen-month investigation into al-Awlaki, who was linked to three of the 9/11 hijackers, the Fort Hood attack, the attempted bombing on Christmas Day 2009, the failed attack on Times Square in May 2010, and the cargo printer bomb plot in October 2010. "The Washington Post" described the resulting documentary as "an explosive hour."

She is married to a military serviceman, and as a mom I absolutely respect the fact she donated a piece of her liver to save her baby. I also understand and respect the visceral reaction to FOX that so many of us have. I have been told that they are working to be a "real news" organization due to a change in management, but again, skeptiscm is the word. Feel free to ignore the information if you please - odds are good other news outlets will have it in the next few days.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
26. Dan Abrams' outfit agrees with Fox's assessment:
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:45 PM
May 2016
“There may be something in his plea agreement that he agreed to testify against another individual and the government does not want that to be public so in this case the plea agreement (or another document related to it) could be sealed,” Page Pate, a criminal defense attorney, told LawNewz.com.

However, to be clear, since the paperwork was filed under seal, we don’t know for sure what it contains. The sealed docs could also include paperwork related to Lazar’s transfer to another detention facility to in preparation for court Wednesday.

Another reason for sealing documents, according to Pate, could be that the paperwork relates to a search warrant, cooperation agreement or the testimony of a witness. If the information is at all related to an ongoing investigation, the DOJ would want to keep that information confidential, at least for now. Interestingly, the two documents are the only entries that have been sealed in Lazar’s entire criminal case.


http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/secret-documents-filed-in-case-against-guccifer-who-says-he-hacked-clinton-server/

This was reported on Law Newz yesterday. Seems the plea was sealed, but someone has leaked portions of it.

BTW, Dan Abrams is no right-winger. He brought us both Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow during his tenure at MSNBC.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
38. Dan Abrams got it wrong about HRC before he started to get it right.
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:55 PM
May 2016

Not sure he has yet earned trusted status. I could be wrong.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
42. He seems to be getting it now if the most recent stories on his blog
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:57 PM
May 2016

are any indication.

I didn't start reading him until recently (I didn't know this existed until about a month ago), so I can't speak to what he posted in the past. Had he been a Hillary apologist before?

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
100. As recently as February, Abrams was arguing that 793 doesn't fit. He omits mention that other major
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:38 AM
May 2016

officials who retained, removed or shared classified materials without authorization -- Petraeus, Deutch -- were originally charged under that same section of the Espionage Act, even if they pled down (Petraeus) or the AG allowed the case to expire with the result of a Presidential pardon (Deutch). See, http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/analysis-hillary-clinton-commit-crime-based-today/story?id=36626499

I don't think he was being entirely honest, or is badly informed, and the Clintonites have seized on the argument he made.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
114. Thanks for the info.
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:51 AM
May 2016

I think a lot of people didn't realize 793 fit until recently because they had been badly informed, mostly by the Clinton campaign, about the extent of the failed security of that server.

Also, people who are smart about some things still can't seem to grasp the difference between a private email account and a private email server (again, mostly because the Clinton campaign wants to conflate the two). I think people are starting to wake up as more information comes out.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
20. We don't have the details yet about which ones he is pleading guilty to, but
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:35 PM
May 2016

the article specifically mentions Powell and (more importantly for Hillary) Sidney Blumenthal. He has previously stated he has two gigs worth of data, and stated in media interviews that he got into the Clinton Server, but the article specifically says the server isn't mentioned in the plea agreement.

JudyM

(29,237 posts)
55. If he lied about anything, e.g., hacking her server/2gb, his other testimony would be less credible.
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:09 PM
May 2016

So since DOJ is planning to use him as a witness, either everything he said is true or there is sufficient corroborating evidence to support his other assertions - enough to get by his credibility problems.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
62. No. He "hacked" Blumenthal's AOL account. That's what this has all been about.
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:16 PM
May 2016

Not exactly Kevin Mitnick stuff

barrow-wight

(744 posts)
25. If you have to qualify a news source that much, it just tells you right there what it's worth.
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:43 PM
May 2016

Why not just go ahead and list all her charitable donations too?

I swear some of you post these Fox news links with the greatest of glee.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
31. You've been here two weeks and already have over 300 posts --
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:47 PM
May 2016

Welcome to DU!

I am comfortable with the caveats I gave; people who want to can wait a few days for other sources. As I said, this reporter has been scooping everyone.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
108. Sigh. You are right. It just seems like if I give them a chance
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:19 AM
May 2016

to learn the truth then they will understand.

Trolls don't want to learn though, do they?

It makes me sad.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
106. the reason someone might do so much qualifying is to try to appease people like you
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:15 AM
May 2016

I don't know why someone would try to do that because some people don't want to know the truth or the facts so their is really no sense in wasting your time and effort to convince them to think.
You just proved their point.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
33. They said it would be done in May at one point.
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:50 PM
May 2016

They are going to be thorough, but I'm married to an accountant so my guess is that they have known where things were going for a while now, and have budgeted accordingly.

Plus people like to clear their desks before a nice three day weekend.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
34. I will be on Friday covering the Trump rally
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:51 PM
May 2016

but I have been a busy beaver and maintaining a time line and yes it does look like it is picking up speed

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
41. Funny indeed
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:56 PM
May 2016

Ok if it breaks Friday, I am going to be stuck downtown ducking gas canisters, hopefully not

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
52. We're not quite at end game yet. The IC report gets released next.
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:04 PM
May 2016

They're the interested agencies who started this referral business. Then comes the FBI report - the timing of that is contingent upon the WH pressuring HRC to sign off on a deal. If she doesn't, this all drags out past the Convention. Then, we will have screwed ourselves, and will have no one else to blame but ourselves for the consequences in November.

antigop

(12,778 posts)
118. regarding pressure to "sign off on a deal"...
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:47 PM
May 2016

Chuck Todd:

"Look, clearly their decision is to never give an inch, right, which is the clinton playbook going back to 1992. And it's worked for them in the past, right? They just grind their way through it.

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/mika-it-feels-like-clinton-is-lying-straight-out-693313091808

Geesh, I have to agree with him.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
35. I'm not the one under investigation by the FBI, so not really
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:53 PM
May 2016

feeling desperate. I've provided some reasonable caveats, but facts are facts.

You can wait a few days if you'd like. Usually the other news outlets follow this particular reporter (who has some excellent sources, based on the accuracy of her leaks thus far).

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
40. Ida, stay away from Faux News.
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:56 PM
May 2016

Their agenda is to defeat the Democrat, Hillary or Bernie. They will say whatever they think it takes.

Go with reputable sources. If they're reporting the same, then it's news.

And manage your stress! Geez, I do not want you to blow a gasket!

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
43. Actually that particular reporter
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:57 PM
May 2016

reminds me of a couple that wrote for that rag called the WAPO in 1972 or so, and yes it was a rag, and they rode that Pullitzer for decades after wards. Some folks, like the owner's sons, want a reputable news source and they have given her quite a bit of leeway.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
49. Alas like those two, she is the one getting scoop, scoop, after scoop
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:01 PM
May 2016

as I said, they took the leash off. I do this for real, and I see the pattern. This is a reporter that has been given free range and has the sources. This is why everybody follows her. And if the NYT picks on her scoops, you should think about it.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
84. She is, though putting together my timeline
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:35 AM
May 2016

I have taken from everywhere. But for these stories, she scoops everybody

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
89. Very much so they are
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:40 AM
May 2016

or Reuters. for example would not be picking them up.

I just put together a time line, It does not show links... Timeline 3D, but seriously some of my links are to DOJ, State, her reporting, AP, Reuters, WAPO, NYT. This is a very real story. When you see the big picture over half a decade it is scary. I can also tell you the two mistakes made by the Clintons.

1.- The server. It went live a week before she was sworn in. She never activated her GOV account.

2.- Because of that, this left the opening for JW and their FOIA lawsuits. This is not coming from the Benghazi committee. it is not helping, but this is coming from JW.

Now need to check on that movie again. Am afraid now I finally have to explain this mess to my local readers.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
36. The shoe is unlikely to drop before the convention if he only just began cooperating today.
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:53 PM
May 2016

Investigations take time. We are probably at least a few months out.

Will Clinton do the right thing? Even if there is a 5% chance, she should not take it.

Don't drag down the entire ticket!

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
47. He formally took the plea yesterday.
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:00 PM
May 2016

But was negotiating for a couple of months before.

I don't think it just started today.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
50. Good point.
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:04 PM
May 2016

Here's another thought about the timeline:

I feel that the FBI director's press conference a while back was a warning to Dem leadership that the investigation was going to take time and likely conclude after the convention. He was giving them an out.

Did they take the hint?

Bob41213

(491 posts)
56. He has been talking to the Feds for YEARS
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:09 PM
May 2016

They began interviewing him in Romania. He said all along he was more than willing to cooperate.

He no doubt told them what he had before they bothered extraditing him here. They wouldn't extradite him if he had nothing. He'd still be rotting in Romania if that was the case. He's here right now for a reason.

He also came over willingly, he did not oppose the extradition.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
45. Any port in a storm apparently
Wed May 25, 2016, 09:59 PM
May 2016

This hacker repeatedly posted proof of his previous hacks. But not his claimed hack of the Clinton server. Either he changed his pattern, or he wanted people to think he was cooler than he was.

And given that his previous "hacks" were social engineering and getting in through Facebook and other means, I am at best skeptical of his claims.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
48. The FBI and DOJ apparently find him credible.
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:01 PM
May 2016

Of course they extradited him, and know what he actually has - I don't know how he got the "Bill Clinton doodles".

Response to mythology (Reply #45)

Merryland

(1,134 posts)
61. Whether this Guccifer hacked Hillary or not
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:15 PM
May 2016

the fact is, he could have - and there were others out there trying, according to the IG report. She did not give a rat's ass for the nation's security, just her own "privacy."

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
88. What makes that a fact at all?
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:38 AM
May 2016

Being able to guess Blumenthal's AOL password does not mean he would also be able to hack into Clinton's server. One has nothing to do with the other.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
121. And he's lying, because he provides no evidence to support that claim.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:57 AM
Jun 2016

It's no coincidence that the only emails Guccifer released to the public were ones he got from "hacking" (ie guessing the password of) Sidney Blumenthal's AOL account. If he'd actually breached Hillary's server, he would've publicly released some non-Blumenthal emails from the server to prove it.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
131. That doesn't mean he's lying. He did have Bill Clinton's droodles from his WH days.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:19 AM
Jun 2016

I don't think he'd actually release those to you. But I bet the FBI wouldn't go through all the trouble if he had nothing. I don't know if he has anything, but you are way to quick to dismiss it. The FBI is interested.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
71. Thanks Ida
Wed May 25, 2016, 10:30 PM
May 2016

Speaking only for myself I prefer more information not less so I appreciate your posts even ones from FOX.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
111. Me too, Ida. And Fox has been getting some good facts out there. Places like MSNBC
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:24 AM
May 2016

which are supposed to be left leaning, but aren't, haven't done any credible reporting on it. EXCEPT, Joe and Mika, ironically. They've also been doing a great job.
We're upside down.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
92. Every time I see you saying "thank you for the post"
Thu May 26, 2016, 06:36 AM
May 2016

it makes me smile and feel happy. I really appreciate that, especially on some of the tougher posts where I am telling unpleasant truths and getting sneaked at by people who think my having a different opinion than theirs means I have joined the "vast right wing conspiracy" or been brainwashed or something. THANK YOU!!!! I appreciate the support!!!

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
91. he likely has a pre-deletion picture of what was on there
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:03 AM
May 2016

The Clintons had a lot of dealings with various very wealthy dictators, despots, and criminal corporations.

And also just regular folks who wanted to donate their foudation millions of dollars.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
96. I believe they vetted the checks from her awesome fundraisers.
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:28 AM
May 2016

They all cashed. What more does America need from its leadership? and a bit of

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
97. Thanks for keeping us up to date on fringe right wing talking points.
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:31 AM
May 2016

It's always good to know how those scum are spinning things. They really cater to LIV's.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
99. Is there no loyalty in fairy land these days? Now you've moved on to the Guccifer Fairy!
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:35 AM
May 2016


Seriously, at what point do you become self-reflective enough to consider the possibility that you were wrong? Do you understand how long you've been flogging this dead horse?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
101. The Guccifer Fairy is friends with the Indictment Fairy. If you didn't know that,
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:45 AM
May 2016

It is because you have chosen to remain willfully ignorant.

I don't tell lies, even by omission. I realize integrity is something you don't understand or recognize, but that is on you, not me.

In the meantime, I am clapping like crazy because I BELIEVE!!!

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
128. Your Membership Began: Tue May 17, 2016, 01:30 AM
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:38 AM
Jun 2016

I've been here close to twelve years. You seem to be attempting to insult me.

That makes me

Response to IdaBriggs (Original post)

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
125. K&R
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:11 AM
Jun 2016

Getting information on this issue is like pulling teeth . I guess time will reveal if this is the case , hopefully sooner rather than later . This is not the baggage the party needs heading into a GE .

MFM008

(19,808 posts)
126. Don't get all atwitter
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:20 AM
Jun 2016

Almost Anything can be hacked. I think in the 90s someone released the entire black budget online. Why do you think they use the old portable discs for the nuke codes. They can't be hacked like a new system could.
Sorry Berners. Someone said today unless Clinton acted with malice she will never be indicted.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
129. Why do you automatically assume his testimony will be used on Hillary?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:42 AM
Jun 2016

We know he hacked Blumenthal, and we know Blumenthal had information he wasn't supposed to have (because he was sending it to Hillary).



Interesting that you also automatically assume Hillary is the target, and then hope "intent" will save her from her any harm caused by her actions.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
130. I dearly hope that try to make some loony hacker the centerpiece of the anti-Hillary brigade
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:50 AM
Jun 2016

Watching that case go will be and worthy.

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