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Related: About this forumBernie Sanders just declared war on the Democratic establishment
Chris Cillizza
The Washington Post
If you want to make a politician really, really angry, endorse their primary opponent. That's exactly what Bernie Sanders did Saturday to Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
That puts Sanders on the side of Tim Canova, a former Capitol Hill staffer who has enjoyed considerable fundraising success -- he's raised more than $1 million -- thanks to an anti-establishment message in his primary against Wasserman Schultz.
And it ensures that the nastiness between Sanders and his supporters and Wasserman Schultz and the mainstream Democrats she represents will now surge into a full-blown battle.
Now that Sanders has endorsed Wasserman Schultz's opponent, everything is even more personal than it was 24 hours ago. And when things get personal, reason and pragmatism often fly out the window. That's bad news for Democrats hoping to quickly unite the party in advance of the general election fight against Donald Trump. It's war now.
Bernie just declared war on the establishment? Here's when Mr. Sanders, and progressives, declared war:
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)He's angry the voters have picked a candidate other than himself.
Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)and basically tied the fourth.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)barrow-wight
(744 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)each state is a different size, and it is not winner-take-all, so it is irrelevant.
Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)from the beginning to the end.
Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)tazkcmo
(7,306 posts)kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)Kentucky was outright stolen in broad daylight.
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JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)We in California want to vote.
Why can't Hillary supporters deal with that?
Most of them have already voted.
I am campaigning for Bernie in California. I go house to house, campus to campus as a volunteer. People are excited about the opportunity to vote for Bernie.
At my age (born 1943) I know one thing: Anything can happen. Life is full of surprises.
So what if Hillary has more votes or more delegates right now. That can change and quickly.
And a lot of current Hillary supporters might, under certain circumstances, support such a change.
Let the primaries carry on and end.
Feel the Bern!
Bernie can beat Trump! Hillary can't. No matter her numbers in the Democratic primaries, she can't beat Trump.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)He's #2!!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)And in case you missed it in her speeches and her ads, Hillary's campaign is about Hillary and only about Hillary.
It's "I," "I," "I" for Hillary.
All about herself.
So naturally, Bernie is giving even us in California the chance to vote and will continue to represent us in the convention because this movement is about us and not about him.
It's a new concept in American politics. And I'm glad it's finally here.
Sancho
(9,072 posts)Hillary will have the nomination before California polls close! Sorry, that's the breaks.
Actually, if the order was reversed and California had been the first primary state, Bernie would not have latest this long.
He's only still around because of Northern caucuses and outlier states like Iowa and Vermont.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)recognition as a candidate almost no one had ever heard of and is defeating and has defeated Hillary in so many states not only tells us that he is a very, very strong candidate we should not lightly dismiss, but also that Hillary is a very, very weak candidate that we should dismiss.
I was thinking this morning. Barack Obama offered hope and change. He delivered only very little of it, but at least what he did deliver was meaningful and we love him because he seems to us to be a wonderful person.
But Hillary --- she is not offering so much as hope much less change. I can't honestly think of a reason to vote for her. And when I ask her supporters why they are voting for her, they just look kind of downcast. Whatever it is, they are either ashamed to talk about it or it's depressing or they suddenly realize they don't know. And I am in person not an intimidating person so people would tell me. Sometimes they say her experience, but then I know that they don't know that Bernie has at least as much or more experience, and Bernie's experience proves his superior judgment.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)He lost Kentucky and Guam.
cali
(114,904 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Declares war after finally realizing hes lost the nomination.
Is he setting up for a third party run maybe?
reformist2
(9,841 posts)No way did the majority vote for Hillary. Not even the majority of Dems.
barrow-wight
(744 posts)anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)It really seems to be related to the fact that he was not a party member before he declared. Everyone else feels some allegiance to their party, which keeps them in check.
derpderpderp
(43 posts)jonestonesusa
(880 posts)Based on the number of Dem party losses in statehouses, Congress, and the Senate under her watch, she probably deserves more support from Republicans than she does from Democrats.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)in important states:
racism, sexism, complacency, Hellbound sluts lusting for Berniebros, easily duped, keyboard warriors who click Internet polls, freeloaders, ponywanters, ...
Yes, we noted both the contempt and the underlying loser mentality: Clinton loses her marbles and employs disgustingly divisive tactics as soon as things don't go her way. And that will not be forgotten. I hope she loses California by the mother of all landslides.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Response to seabeyond (Reply #2)
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seabeyond
(110,159 posts)If he actually had to be addressed in GE, his advantage is, that Trump is just as presidential, lol, yet offering the same to white, middle/upper middle income and men.
villager
(26,001 posts)Seeinghope
(786 posts)Too many people made the wrong decision. This election will be the shining example of how millions of people can vote for the worst candidates, Clinton and Trump...... Who coincidentally are friends and/or part of the 1/10 of 1%. How so many people actually justify voting against themselves is an art only the people like the Clintons and Trump supporters can manage. Bernie Sanders is the most successful person to rise up against the establishment, not having to use any of the establishments money or power. He has woken so many people up and shown them that this is just the beginning of the fight...yes the fight against the ruling class. He has accomplished what no other has even come close to and if this was an actual fair election he would have won but when the corporations own everything.....media, political parties, voting machines, Government Officials...... It is not an even playing field and some of us know the extent that the Clintons will go to to secure the nomination. During the Primaries it was so odd that the Republicans did not have all of the issues with the voting, just the Democrats.. It was also odd that all of the irregularities ended up favouring the Clinton camp. It was especially telling when there were razor thin margins for her victories that should have been an easy walk in the park.
He actually, in many ways is a winner. He has exposed the corruption of the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton. Her walk to her coronation was not as easy as she planned it to be and I suspect it won't get any easier. I have to be very very happy for that!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Seeinghope
(786 posts)Bitter thing is your own thing. He has had continued success in getting bills and Ammendments passed, helping the people in this country. That has been his sole focus all of his adult life and he has succeeded. He has much more to be proud of than Hillary Clinton who's life reads like Shakespeare. Scandals, murder, infidelity lack of morals, power hungry.......
If anything Hillary Clinton is bitter, married to a man who is a serial cheater. That has to be devastating to any spouse. That could surely cause bitterness......
Yep, being publically humiliated and having a serial cheater for a spouse would make anybody bitter
creeksneakers2
(7,486 posts)Seeinghope
(786 posts)creeksneakers2
(7,486 posts)Seeinghope
(786 posts)Doubts about any and all of the scandals and allegations. Back the I saw two brilliant, hard working, progressive victimised people. After 26 years I have seen them evolve and I have seen things that has made me want them to just retire and disappear out of public life...with anything that has to do with running this country.
I am liberal ...... progressive. I see the Clintons more in line with the Republicans then with true Democratic values.
creeksneakers2
(7,486 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Faux pas
(14,714 posts)Bernie!
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)this one.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)Hekate
(91,039 posts)obamanut2012
(26,188 posts)It's been showing up on twitter and FB in certain groups.
obamanut2012
(26,188 posts)Wow.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)I have no idea why he has not been willing to consider it given what the Democratic Party has become and how he has been treated in the primary process.
merrily
(45,251 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Enough pretending the Democratic Party can be turned back into the party of FDR. It is a corrupt corporatist party about to nominate a corrupt corporatist candidate.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I'm in awe of how he handled all their blatant bullshit from the start. He could have completely exposed every dirty little trick and act but seemed to want to brush it off to focus on the issues. Much more tolerant than I could have been. He's a disciplined, focused, courageous and righteous man. And that is part of the reason so many millions love him.
2banon
(7,321 posts)But I've been sort of thinking about this and wondering what "next steps" might look like.
What will these disaffected independent millennials do with this energy, this momentum and the righteousness of our shared objectives. ?
After Hillary clinches the Nom, and they see that it's gonna be status quo or even worse in the next few years I have a sense the energy and sense of purpose could be transformative wrt to replacing the current moribund House of Cards (aka broken political system) that it has become.
All speculative of course, it will be interesting if things do change during the rest of my lifetime. Who can say what the future will bring, but there is no evidence that this party have given very much thought to the future beyond the inevitability race and how best to line their own pockets/bank accounts and preserve their ability serve the Oligarchs, Plutocrats. MIC. etc.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)That would be the first EVER war Hillary wouldn't love.
6chars
(3,967 posts)Maybe he thinks he can gt then party leadership overthrown, maybe he thinks this will give him more leverage. Not sure what but he probably has some game in mind.
merrily
(45,251 posts)and went public with hostilities on April 30, 2015. He's finally starting to defend himself, period.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)timmymoff
(1,947 posts)is he bringing up her investigation? How about the bloody wars she is responsible for? Has he called her out on taking money from everyone she says she opposes? Nope, he's been gentle, and we are seeing she can hardly hang with that. Her supporters are up in arms about any discussion of her record as being an attack. The people truly coddling Hillary are her supporters, and it will hurt her. Oh well, win the battle lose the war, the conservadem mantra. The ruling class knows they now have both sides of the presidential race covered if she wins. Yay, business as usual is guaranteed. Now "cut that out" !
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)many of us recognize this. Sanders past has not even been discussed, let alone torn apart. He is coddled.
creeksneakers2
(7,486 posts)But he's been all over her on the wars and the money she's taken. He's done everything he could to make her look corrupt, even though he couldn't name one quid pro quo.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Agony
(2,605 posts)i don't think that you will mind me saying...
Triana
(22,666 posts)She was in past elections where she was chair, and she is in this one, too.
She needs to GO.
BeyondGeography
(39,395 posts)As my wife would say, feel better now?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)dubyadiprecession
(5,739 posts)Kall
(615 posts)for going on TV and spreading lies about Sanders' people throwing chairs in Nevada and demanding condemnation for it? Funny how these unseen thrown chairs produced no pictures, video, injuries or arrests with a room full of officers.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Last edited Sun May 22, 2016, 12:25 PM - Edit history (1)
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Pure and simply. No one declared War on anyone. He supports a DEMOCRATIC candidate! Come on give it a rest. Not everything is the end of the world. I don't like Wasserman either because of what and who she supports (lime payday loan companies). She has consistently support conservatives.
I am sure it will be okay. Deep breaths!!!
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Debbie refused to back DEM challengers to her Repub friends in FL. That alone ought to get her thrown out, let alone all the seats she has lost Dems over the years.
And I don't think that was an accident either. I think it was ordered up by the paymasters. That much stupidity, as she has demonstrated, isn't even natural or believable, even for her.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)Bernie is leading progressives to stand up for ourselves, that's it.
Oh! And he reminded me to make another contribution to Tim.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)He said we shouldn't have an election which the majority sees that way. He says he disagrees with the majority about that.
jillan
(39,451 posts)many, many, many others.
We all compiled a list and sent it off to their campaign of people that never signed up for Hillary's campaign but all of the sudden began getting Welcome emails from her. I don't know what they ever did with it but every now and then I hear Jeff mention it.
But even more than my email address - she had my name! Same with the others.
Funny how this all happened when the firewall went down.
Of course! the media and Hillary all pointed fingers at Bernie's campaign and Bernie even fired a staffer. But Hillary? Not a word. She just brushes it off just like she does with everything else. She's just so above it all.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Response to portlander23 (Original post)
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Arazi
(6,829 posts)Time to send some more money to Tim Canova
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)beginning in the 80's.
WHen the head of the DNC actively supports 300% loan sharks over people - it's over.
djean111
(14,255 posts)I live in Florida, been seeing Debbie DINO's antics for quite a while, and this has absolutely nothing to do with Bernie.
After the next primary in August, I am out. So is my grandson.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)BootinUp
(47,221 posts)Its almost over, thank gawd.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...and personally I like her.'
He didn't call it a "war."
That's hype from Chris Cillizza.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)And I say this as someone who does not care for DWS.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)riversedge
(70,464 posts)I think Sanders has already crossed that line--!!
TWEET
"Sanders is close to reaching a line he does not want to cross...."-hurting Down-Ticket Dems! http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/280693-sanders-should-stop-attacking-clinton#.V0Gx-MA96xA.twitter
@SenateDems #p2
May 20, 2016, 12:30 pm
Sanders should stop attacking Clinton
By Brent Budowsky, columnist, The Hill
Few national columnists in the mainstream media have been more fair and friendly to Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.), his campaign, and the progressive populist agenda he proposes (most of which I agree with and hope Democrats will adopt), than me.
At the same time, the presidential campaign has reached a crucial stage and there is growing unease in many Democratic circles this includes a growing number of progressives, such as me that Sanders is close to reaching a line he does not want to cross, which would help presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump and hurt progressives running for the House and Senate in the general election.
The Hill recently published a story, which is correct, that includes a number of progressives who are concerned that Sanders may be going too far in criticizing Clinton. I hope that Sanders and his campaign staff, who are aware of my views, take this to heart.
From my perspective, the best case would be that Sanders continues his campaign through the primaries, stops all attacks against likely Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, concentrates his fire against Trump, and continues to promote his progressive and populist policies and calls for reform of the Democratic Party.................
Mary Mac
(323 posts)We Hillary supporters have to not get drawn into Bernies vortex. It is excellent practice for not getting drawn into Trumps vortex.
Time for change
(13,718 posts)DWS stands for everything that he (and his supporters such as myself) are against. It was the right thing to do do endorse her opponent.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)No Democrat come lately is going to make a difference.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)He will not waver from those principles when speaking truth to power, and he will not kiss anyone's ass for political gain. This puts him at a serious disadvantage with politicians like H. Clinton, who will tell everybody what they want to hear.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)The younger generation is far more sophisticated and unlikely vote obediently for labels fall for for the usual "lesser of two evils" and "not as bad" memes than previously.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)And DWS
I hope Canova crushes her.
livetohike
(22,172 posts)Republican? He acts like one. Next he'll say "the Democrat Party", if he hasn't said it already. He criticizes every damn thing.
If he wants to be head of something, let him start his own party because he's burned too many bridges with the Democrats.
Kall
(615 posts)Complain about Sanders for running inside it. Make up your mind.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Seeinghope
(786 posts)career. A career spanning over 30 years. He has helped bills go thru and is called the "Amendment King". He obviously is talented when he can ime from obscurity with no money and become a threat to the most well known and "voted most admired woman 13 times". He obviously knows what he is doing when he raised the amount of money that he has raised by not tapping into the big corps and super Pacs. The has built successful bridges FOR the Democrats for decades....longer than Hillary Clinton has even dreamed about. While she was amassing personal fortune he was working with the Democrats to get things done for this country.
Yes he criticises things.. This Democratic Party need a thorough house cleaning and Debbie Wasserman....needs to be taken out with the garbage. The state of our economy, environment and foreign policy are all in horrible shape. He criticises them because our policies are so bad and hurting this country. People refuse to see what is right in front of their faces. It is easier to keep the status quo then to jump in and make the much needed changes. Somebody has to be the bearer of bad tidings and he keeps repeating it to make sure that everybody hears it and so that everybody keeps hearing it because sometimes you have to hit people over the head before they can see the truth
If the Democrats want to truly survive they need to wake up because they won't have the Clinton's around forever so after they are gone there is no doubt the Democratic Party will be fully ruined....if not before then.
treestar
(82,383 posts)He thinks he is entitled to it and that the long term rules of the party should have been changed to make it easier for him? Why didn't he tell them this at the beginning?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)DWS has now become a heroine bravely defending herself from the evil Bernie -
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)socialist legacy maybe the mark when america was decimated by conservatives and trumps role as president
we may have to accept this is THE BERNIE SANDERS
one that cares only about the stage and microphone in front of him
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...to get ahead.
Instead, Sanders is following his principles by endorsing Tim Canova who is more liberal than DWS.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Sounds like you got a little too much sun on that beach, Bob.
onecaliberal
(33,008 posts)When he announced he was running.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Nope! So let it all out. I happen to agree. No fracking, no war, no election fraud, no voter suppression, no DWS. I know clinton will be the nominee and I am sure she will win the GE. The DNC has driven me away and I will continue to work for local candidates who are more progressive than the right leaning DNC. This is not bitterness. It is reality. We may not get what we started out for and we keep talking!
TrueDemVA
(250 posts)We should have been demanding more from our party for years. It's about time!
GO BERNIE!!!
aikoaiko
(34,186 posts)Email excerpt:
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renate
(13,776 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)democrattotheend
(11,607 posts)We don't need Democrats in Congress who shill for the exploitative payday loan industry.
I am also glad to see Bernie get more involved in downballot races. I think that's where he can have the strongest influence if he doesn't get the nomination.
2banon
(7,321 posts)Starting off with a rather dubious meme doesn't give credibility to what may follow.
I may give this article a read, but I think I won't waste much time with click bait. I'll just scroll through the right wingers in this thread to get a 'read' on this analysis.
Gothmog
(145,965 posts)I am glad that Sanders is no longer pretending that he is part of a magical revolution that would generate so many new voters that the GOP would have to listen to his unrealistic platform. Sanders is now at the stage where he is being vindictive and personal against people he think who have slighted him and has given up on the concept of a revolution
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...this morning, "I've known Debbie for years and personally I like her."
pa28
(6,145 posts)Good for him! It needed to be done.
tazkcmo
(7,306 posts)I find it amusing that it's taken a year for folks to realize this is war. It shouldn't have been news as Sen. Sanders has been liberal with the use of the word "revolution". It's only just begun and the vitriol, name calling and vilifying by our opponents is a sure sign that we're doing something right.
frylock
(34,825 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)She's not professional nor does she have a temperament to lead the DNC. i guess a club within the club. Priebus knows his job is to be neutral. DWS acting like a spoiled brat.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and you can place the blame not on Democratic voters, you can place it squarely on the shoulders of inept leadership, which DWS is becoming the poster child for demonstrating incompetence.
The DNC owns this crock of crap, and as a Democratic voter, I do NOT, and I *will* not take responsibility for this boatload of failure.
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)So disappointing and shocking, really.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
djean111
(14,255 posts)And - WE are ordered to always vote for the "D". Right.
She needs to go.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...I.like her but she's not the chair the DNC needs now."
Sanders also said he's supporting Tim Canova for US House because "his views line up more with mine."
Calling this war is a bit much.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)As usual Cillizza speaks for the establishment. I'm sure in their eyes Bernie is at fault but Bernie endorsing her opponent was a counter punch to the many punches thrown by the establishment during this campaign. The only people who don't see that are the ones who were already aligned with the establishment candidate. Big surprise.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)Good on you Bernie, we cant let obvious bias get a pass, point a finger at the bums and get them out of office
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)He just thinks Tim Canova's ideas align closer to his own.
That's not a war.
Ridiculous hyperbole.
Beacool
(30,254 posts)He thought that he could hijack the Democratic party and failed. Although it's evident that he won't be the nominee, he still can't muster enough grace or class to admit defeat.
No one was asking him to drop out, but at the very least he could have toned down his attacks against the person who will be the standard bearer in the general election.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Beacool
(30,254 posts)Who was he going to caucus with, the Republicans???
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)so what does that make her?
jillan
(39,451 posts)We've lost more seats under her leadership both at the federal and local levels.
She's for payday lenders AND against medical marijuana.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Way to keep the integrity and stand up for the people and democracy!
FEEL THE BERN!!!
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Joob
(1,065 posts)riversedge
(70,464 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)I think it's at least a fairly universal position. Am I wrong about that?
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Down with anyone who opposes the will of our Glorious Leader, DWS!