When Hillary Is Forced To Decline The Nomination For Her Scandals...

[berni_mccoy]

I will not say I told you so. I will however expect Hillary Fans to get in line behind Bernie so we do not have Trump as the next POTUS.

[timlot]

1. Hillary or Bust!!!

Isn't that how it goes.

[NWCorona]

11. Yup!

[brush]

2. Keep dreaming. There will be no indictment. Sanders will not get the nomination.

[berni_mccoy]

5. Did I say the word indictment? I don't think it will take that much at this point...

But it would be nice to see Hillary held to the same standards as everyone else... as she always says. And that would mean an indictment.

[brush]

13. Well enlighten us. What did you mean?

[NWCorona]

17. Money says that even if Hillary is indicted the goalposts will be moved to a conviction.

Back when this story broke. It was so dismissed that the idea of a mere FBI investigation would have been a disqualifier for Hillary. Now she's officially under criminal investigation and she's still running.

You can’t make this stuff up!

[brush]

27. It is not a CRIMNAL investigation. You can make that up either without being called on it.

[NWCorona]

30. So what kind of Investigation involves both the FBI and the DOJ?

I'll wait.

[brush]

45. Just post the link, not your fervent hope.

[morningfog]

56. You are asking people to prove an idiotic negative.

[brush]

59. Nothing, huh? Just as I thought.

[morningfog]

62. LOL. Here it is again. read it this time.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/faqs/faqs#faq_priorities

The FBI’s investigative authority is the broadest of all federal law enforcement agencies. The FBI has divided its investigations into a number of programs, such as domestic and international terrorism, foreign counterintelligence, cyber crime, public corruption, civil rights, organized crime/drugs, white-collar crime, violent crimes and major offenders, and applicant matters. The FBI’s investigative philosophy emphasizes close relations and information sharing with other federal, state, local, and international law enforcement and intelligence agencies. A significant number of FBI investigations are conducted in concert with other law enforcement agencies or as part of joint task forces.

Notice what is not on there: civil investigations or security review.

[brush]

74. Still nothing about a criminal investigation of Hillary Clinton.

[morningfog]

75. No you are changing your request. It's on you now.

You need to provide a link showing that the FBI does anything other than criminal investigations. I showed you that they don't.

The FBI is conducting a criminal investigation of Hillary's server set-up while at State.

[morningfog]

73. I posted a link twice. No response or apology, what gives?

[morningfog]

60. Here. LINK for you:

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/faqs/faqs#faq_priorities

The FBI’s investigative authority is the broadest of all federal law enforcement agencies. The FBI has divided its investigations into a number of programs, such as domestic and international terrorism, foreign counterintelligence, cyber crime, public corruption, civil rights, organized crime/drugs, white-collar crime, violent crimes and major offenders, and applicant matters. The FBI’s investigative philosophy emphasizes close relations and information sharing with other federal, state, local, and international law enforcement and intelligence agencies. A significant number of FBI investigations are conducted in concert with other law enforcement agencies or as part of joint task forces.

Notice what is not on there: civil investigations or security review.

[IdaBriggs]

89. DOJ answered this with court filings last month.

It was posted multiple times here on DU. Here is one link - http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511856433

DOJ Claims Revealing FBI Declaration Will Jeopardize Clinton Email Investigation
by Rachel Stockman | 7:35 pm, April 27th, 2016

Attorneys with the U.S. Department of Justice say they cannot make public a classified FBI declaration because it would “adversely affect the ongoing investigation” into Hillary Clinton‘s private email server. The recent filing by DOJ attorneys, obtained by LawNewz.com, is significant because it not only acknowledges the ongoing federal probe, but also asserts that if the declaration is made public, it could “reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings.”

The DOJ’s memorandum is part of a FOIA lawsuit that was originally filed in federal court by Vice News reporter Jason Leopold. Leopold is seeking Clinton’s emails that the DOJ obtained from her private server. He is also seeking correspondence between the FBI and Clinton referencing the Clinton email server.

In March, the government filed a motion for summary judgement in the case, and incorporated this classified declaration as one of the supporting documents. Leopold’s attorneys argued that the declaration should be made public, or the DOJ should show cause for why it must be kept secret. On Tuesday, DOJ attorneys filed an memorandum in opposition to plaintiff’s motion to show cause.

The DOJ says in its filing:

Records responsive to Plaintiff’s request that are subject to FOIA relate to a pending investigation. The FBI has stated publicly that it received and “is working on a referral (from) Inspectors General in connection with former Secretary of State Clinton’s use of a private email server. The FBI therefore submitted a classified in camera, ex parte declaration to provide the Court with additional details to demonstrate that responsive information was properly withheld, and explained on the public record that this was the purpose of the in camera declaration.

Read more:
http://lawnewz.com/important/doj-claims-unsealing-fbi-declaration-could-jeopardize-clinton-email-investigation/

As has been explained to you multiple times, the FBI investigates crimes. On their website they have an "About Us" section dealing with their priorities:

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/quick-facts

Our Priorities
1. Protect the United States from terrorist attack
2. Protect the United States against foreign intelligence operations and espionage
3. Protect the United States against cyber-based attacks and high-technology crimes
4. Combat public corruption at all levels
5. Protect civil rights
6. Combat transnational/national criminal organizations and enterprises
7. Combat major white-collar crime
8. Combat significant violent crime

The bolding I have made for #2 and #4 appear to be the areas causing Hillary to be investigated.

You can learn more at the "Clinton Email Scandal Timeline" which details out how the FBI was able to recover the deleted emails from a non-secure cloud back up system last year which involved a couple of possible felony charges right there (destroying government records and allowing classified material to be viewed by staff at a company with no security clearance are both crimes).

I know it is hard for many people to grasp the depths of this debacle, but it is Very Bad.

[KoKo]

92. ...!

[Ash_F]

36. FBI does not do civil cases.

[brush]

47. Just a link pls, not wishful thinking. And btw, Sanders is toast.

[Ash_F]

48. Here you go

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/what_we_investigate

[brush]

49. Oh, you got jokes. That proves what?

[Ash_F]

50. You didn't read it did you?

[yourpaljoey]

52. That was fun, we should do that more often!

[Ash_F]

53. I am glad I helped you learn something today.

[yourpaljoey]

57. Funny how they disappear when presented with the proof they request

[Ash_F]

58. Woops replied to the wrong person with that last one.

[yourpaljoey]

64. I, of course, knew that

[brush]

65. Where's the link that says Clinton is under criminal investigation

That's what I thought you were posting, but that's not what you posted at all.

[Ash_F]

67. 1) FBI investigation was confirmed

2) FBI only does criminal investigations

3) What kind of investigation is the FBI doing?

4) A criminal investigation.

I hope this breakdown helped you.

[brush]

69. Keep dreaming. That's all you Sanders supporters have left as he's lost the nomination.

When the FBI announces that they've concluded this without any charges, what will you say then?

You actually think they are going to perp-walk Hillary out in cuffs and totally throw the election to the repugs, cause Sanders, a Democrat, certainly wouldn't win after his party was tainted like that?

Why that's the stuff of dreams, sorta like the unicorns we keep hearing about.

It ain't gonna happen, but keep praying.

[Ash_F]

71. This does not have anything to do with Sanders

The establishment should have put up another favorite like Biden, or whoever. I don't care.

It is going to suck for all of us if it drops close to the GE.

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. Tell me eactluy when did the FBI start doing civil cases?

by the way, there is also a civil case

[brush]

46. A link pls, not your hope.

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. about what?

Criminal

The FBI is conducting an investigation. (It’s the Federal Bureau of Investigation, after all.)

Inspectors General from the State Department and the intelligence community referred the case to the Executive Branch in July 2015. The referral memo made clear that the Inspectors General were not suggesting that anyone involved in Clinton’s email setup committed a crime. Rather, they were following their statutory obligation to inform the intelligence community about any potential security breach — namely, that Clinton possibly held classified information on her email server located outside secure government facilities.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/may/12/fbis-investigation-hillary-clintons-emails-recap/

CIVIL CASE

Why a Civil Case Over Emails Could Hurt Hillary Clinton More Than the FBI

Every year for more than two decades, the conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch has filed scores of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests for documents from the federal government, many in pursuit of a favorite target: Bill and Hillary Clinton. Now, with FOIA case No. F-2013-08812, they may finally have hit the political jackpot.

http://time.com/4337518/hillary-clinton-emails-judicial-watch-civil-lawsuit/

See easy, and those are in the write ups of two different moderate (I crack me up) media outlets.

Under the buss with both of them.

You should really stop demanding for links. These have been presented to you in difference versions and you still keep asking the same. Just because you do not understand the difference, does not mean the rest of us do not,

Learn the difference between a civil and a criminal case, For starters they have vastly different burdens of proof.

[morningfog]

55. The FBI only does criminal investigations. For fuck's sake, you can't be serious.

[840high]

79. It sure isn't a clearance review.

[winter is coming]

87. LOL. If it were, she'd flunk. n/t

[grasswire]

80. LOLOLOL

such a tired response

[brush]

83. Post the link then. You guys need to stop praying. There will be no indictment.

[dchill]

32. +1,000,001

[pdsimdars]

18. The former head of the D.I.A. (defense department equivalent of the C.I.A.),

Lt. General Flynn said that if he had done what Hillary did, he would probably already be in prison. (or something of that nature)

I just wonder how much special treatment she'll get.

You obviously don't know anything about it other than the nonsense Hillary has been putting out. Your faith in her story should have been shaken a little when Comey, the head of the FBI countered her "security review" narrative. If you were smart, you'd have started paying attention then.

[brush]

37. You don't know anything more about it than anyone else.

All these alleged reliable sources don't know either.

[emulatorloo]

54. Ex-General Flynn works for the Trump campaign.

As you say, good to pay attention.

[Txbluedog]

3. You are seriously delusional if you think Sanders is going to get the nomination

If Hillary can't run. He keeps attacking the Democratic Party so his chances at getting the nomination are zilch

[dchill]

35. He's attacking the corrupt DNC leadership.

So should we all. Yeah, I'm delusional.

[Ned_Devine]

68. ...

Member since: Fri May 13, 2016, 07:36 PM
Number of posts: 152
Number of posts, last 90 days: 152

[griffi94]

4. When Hillary is forced to decline the nomination

I'll expect to see pigs fly.

Large herds of glorious winged pigs.

[Flighty McFlight]

25. Expectation met.

Watch.

Oh, and there is emotional support pigs.

http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/14659-woman-takes-70-pound-pot-bellied-pig-on-plane-for-support-hes-quieter-than-most

[NCTraveler]

6. If something were to happen it should be an open first ballot.

I will look at those throwing their hat in the ring and support who I think will make the best President.

[pmorlan1]

10. Good

NCTraveler (16,653 posts)
6. If something were to happen it should be an open first ballot.

I will look at those throwing their hat in the ring and support who I think will make the best President.

I hope you will defend Bernie supporters when they make the same statement about voting for who they think will make the best President.

[NCTraveler]

19. Can you show me where I haven't?

Sanders has lost all credibility in the last week but I still think he should go to Cali. This is an election. He could show some class and change his rhetoric but I don't see that happening. The nomination process is over but the people in the remaining states deserve to have their voices heard.

I'm still not sure what you are saying. If something were to happen to Clinton the will of the voters can no longer be heard. The person the voters chose will be out. Sanders supporters are trying to subvert the will of the voters. Two totally different things.

[brush]

22. The voters have already made that decision. Hillary will not be declining.

If you have anything real other than your fervent wishes for that to happen, pls state it now.

[salinsky]

7. Should the most outlandish reverie emanating from your fevered imagination come to pass ...

... rest assured, that I will certainly back the Democratic nominee.

I'm Democrat that way.

[Punkingal]

8. She will not decline no matter what the circumstances.

[Wellstone ruled]

12. Agree.

If there is some there there,we would have seen it by now. And Bernie would have exposed it . We are seeing Democracy Play Out on the national stage,and we are all better for it.

[pdsimdars]

24. Just because the two of you agree, who obviously have not paid attention to the issue,

doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Look into it in some detail before making such baseless statements.

[Wellstone ruled]

42. Sorry,but there are so many moving parts in D.C.

on this issue. No,I am not a Clinton defender. The Rethugs are just playing a media game as well as some one who has a axe to grind. Yes,as this drags out,Clinton's polling numbers take a hit,and it favors Bernie,and the media is doing their damnest to keep this alive. Washington is known for never holding a secret and in that is were I come from. Expecting this issue will be settled shortly with the Freedom Watch/Judical Watch and their Right Wing so called lawsuit against Clinton and her Aides. The Judge hearing this case is a case study in it's self.

[Punkingal]

61. i don't mean it like you think.

I think she won't give up no matter what...even if it means losing, she will take the nomination. Who in the establishment is going to fight her? It has been shown the Clintons have all the power....they have the establishment, and they have the media.

[eastwestdem]

9. Not sure which 'scandal' could actually do this (even the DOJ said unless premeditated criminal

activity can be proven, there will only be fines issued regarding the email case). But, I'll certainly agree to vote for anyone running against Trump. And that is saying something, because I really dislike Sanders.

[Vogon_Glory]

14. Is that before or after Elvis returns from the dead?

Is that before or after Elvis returns from the dead? Many of us Clintonistas voted for Hillary not just because she's better-qualified than Mr. Sanders, but because we've learned to be doubtful of all the little right wing-nuts who've been busy fabricating fables about the Clintons for over 20 years.

IMO, Bernie's fan-boys and fan-girls would do well not to take the verbiage emanating from such "trustworthy" news sites like World Net Daily, NewsMax, Fox, Alec Jones, and Drudge at face value.


🙄

[pdsimdars]

26. Yes, it's a big conspiracy with all those media outlets AND

The OBAMA DoJ, Inspector Generals of both the State Department and Intelligence, the FBI.
Seems like EVERYONE is part of the big conspiracy except Hillary.
If that sounds implausible, that's because it is.

[TwilightZone]

15. This may come as a shock, but most Hillary supporters would have voted for Bernie all along.

You see, we understand that defeating Trump in the GE is of paramount importance, and that any Democrat is 100x better than any Republican.

Hmm, that sounds familiar....

[Skwmom]

16. She will NEVER, EVER, EVER decline the nomination.

[pdsimdars]

28. I think some damaage will be coming out next week.

[Skwmom]

33. I'll believe it when I see it.

I've started to wonder if this is just a way to discourage a real primary fight.

[pdsimdars]

90. We are all waiting to see. But Judicial Watch did say the judge will allow them to release

some of their deposition.

[winter is coming]

88. She won't give up unless the supers abandon her.

And even then, she won't do it until the last minute. I don't think she believes it can happen.

[XemaSab]

94. Called it

[yourpaljoey]

63. We will have to borrow the hook from the Gong Show to get her off stage

[leftynyc]

20. LOL

Still in that denial stage I see. How pathetic. But yes, I will hold my nose tighter than I ever have and vote for Bernie even though he no chance of winning the general.

[cali]

21. These fevered fantasies are just so out of touch

[Agschmid]

29. Yup.

[MineralMan]

23. That's not happening, despite your hopes.

But, keep hope alive, berni. Keep hope alive.

[Gomez163]

31. For her sandals???? I don't think she wears sandals. Just saying.

[merrily]

34. Anyone counting on Hillary's declining a nomination for President is likely to be disappointed.

[senz]

38. She will never back out voluntarily. It matters not who gets hurt.

She can't let go.

[skylucy]

39. Hillary 2016! We Democrats will unite against Trump and defeat him!

[Ned_Devine]

70. ...

Member since: Sat Apr 16, 2016, 08:41 PM
Number of posts: 203
Number of posts, last 90 days: 203

[onenote]

41. I'll bet a dollar you won't be able to resist the urge to say, directly or indirectly, I told you so

That is if Clinton is forced to decline the nomination, which is still an 'if" not a "when" despite your professed certainty.

[brooklynite]

43. Instead, you decided to say so now...

[MirrorAshes]

44. Despite the trollish nature of this post, yes, of course I would.

I know you all want to goad us into sinking to your level (with some success, which is a shame) but if indeed Bernie did somehow become the nominee, of course we would vote for him.

Why? Because the future of the country is at stake here, not just your feel-good purity tests. I will vote for whomever I have to vote for to secure the safety of this country, and that means keeping it out of the hands of republicans AT ALL COSTS.

[Dem2]

66. OK?

Why wouldn't people support Bernie if he was the nominee?

[DrDan]

72. Sure you would - and you would love it - but not to worry

Will not happen

[dubyadiprecession]

76. We know there is a barney the dinosaur, but what about Bernie the dinosaur?

His campaign will be extinct by the end of the primaries.

[trudyco]

78. He's not the DINO eom

[Renew Deal]

77. Biden 2016

[Demsrule86]

86. Biden did not run

I know it is hard to face reality.

[SidDithers]

81. ...

Sid

[Fresh_Start]

82. Or course you are also promising to get in line behind Clinton

if Clinton accepts the nomination....
after all you do not want to have Trump as the next POTUS

[Agnosticsherbet]

84. Reads like a spoiler for Game of Thrones.

To farfetched.

[Demsrule86]

85. You are in a state of Denial...

She will not decline the nomination...she will be the president Thank God...and not Trump and certainly not Bernie ever.

[JoePhilly]

91. And one time, at band camp ...

[XemaSab]

93. What scandals?

[Demsrule86]

95. Dream Dream Dream...

Such longing for what will never be...Bernie is an also ran in nine days!