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CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:58 AM May 2016

Sickening: Bernie "willing to do some harm to Mrs. Clinton" to win California.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/us/politics/bernie-sanderss-campaign-accuses-head-of-dnc-of-favoritism.html?_r=0

While Mr. Sanders says he does not want Mr. Trump to win in November, his advisers and allies say he is willing to do some harm to Mrs. Clinton in the shorter term if it means he can capture a majority of the 475 pledged delegates at stake in California and arrive at the Philadelphia convention with maximum political power.


“The only thing that matters is what happens between now and June 14,” Mr. Devine said


Several described the campaign’s message as having devolved into a near-obsession with perceived conspiracies on the part of Mrs. Clinton’s allies.


This is absolutely sickening behavior from a man who has to know that he has lost this nomination. If he was continuing to run to get his message out, few would begrudge him. But this is more evidence that he isn't a Democrat, he doesn't care about getting a Democrat elected in November, and this movement really is all about him feeding his ego.

Right now, I'm so disgusted by the way Bernie is handling things that if he does have the courage to stay a Democrat in the Senate, I hope the party does the right thing and reduces him to his proper level of seniority; the bottom rung of the Democratic ladder.
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Sickening: Bernie "willing to do some harm to Mrs. Clinton" to win California. (Original Post) CrowCityDem May 2016 OP
Sickening = how badly the dem party has treated Bernie DebDoo May 2016 #1
How badly have they treated him Nonhlanhla May 2016 #15
Poor Bernie is the perpetual victim workinclasszero May 2016 #23
umm ya it's Bernie that's playing victim azurnoir May 2016 #28
Bernie has devolved into a sick version of his earlier riversedge May 2016 #31
This OP wasn't about BERNIE being the victim though, was it? It was about HILLARY being the victim. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #39
A BS supporter was the one who started the Bernie is a victim meme. Fla Dem May 2016 #80
Did you read the OP? frylock May 2016 #88
yes and this statement is not in there oldandhappy May 2016 #128
Thank you for speaking the truth. I agree 100%. skylucy May 2016 #61
Do you mean by letting him run for the nomination for President? COLGATE4 May 2016 #36
I find the claim that Bernie intends to harm Clinton much more offensive and sickening. aikoaiko May 2016 #2
Hillary works hard for the money. imagine2015 May 2016 #17
like your sig line... pangaia May 2016 #58
Exaggerating is right passiveporcupine May 2016 #130
With advisers and allies like that who needs...... gordianot May 2016 #3
Got your orders for the day, huh? Dawgs May 2016 #4
That's politics. bigwillq May 2016 #5
Her campaign said similar things at this point in 2008 Armstead May 2016 #14
3 things Nonhlanhla May 2016 #47
Not situational Armstead May 2016 #72
Everything is situational Nonhlanhla May 2016 #124
Like pretending her supporters are violent? bobbobbins01 May 2016 #6
THAT is what they don't want GreatGazoo May 2016 #18
I love the line, "Will they like me, no,,,," as his eyebrows go up. pangaia May 2016 #57
Exactly. Trolls can fake their outrage all they want, but they know it's fake. arcane1 May 2016 #40
Good work! QC May 2016 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #9
you would know all about those high posting numbers from your early days...right? Sheepshank May 2016 #95
Meh Bobbie Jo May 2016 #120
Fascinating- there's another thread with the same OP title. myrna minx May 2016 #19
That's not a very efficient use of donor money! QC May 2016 #24
If only they would use more imagination with the Brock word of the day! myrna minx May 2016 #30
I wish it was more like Pee Wee Herman's Secret Word. QC May 2016 #34
It was thinking the same thing! Ha. Let's all scream real loud when we hear the world "sickening" myrna minx May 2016 #41
First graduating class of Brock U. frylock May 2016 #90
Sickening indeed. Yet another big corporate media propaganda hit piece on Sanders. They fear him! imagine2015 May 2016 #8
He is a loose cannon. boston bean May 2016 #10
Hillary is permanently damaged pinebox May 2016 #11
That is what the right says about her, over and over. But I thought this Actor May 2016 #102
Denial of facts is a RW strong point pinebox May 2016 #111
It is clear there is an agenda here to destroy the Democratic nominee. nuff said Actor May 2016 #113
It's clear that one side doesn't give a shit about the working class and the poor pinebox May 2016 #114
They are called republicans. Do you think teaparty cares about working people? Actor May 2016 #117
They are called corporate Dems pinebox May 2016 #119
Could you answer this please? Actor May 2016 #121
Disgusting workinclasszero May 2016 #12
Hillary is sickening, and harming the U.S. Foundation, War, Arms selling, Wall Street. ViseGrip May 2016 #13
I don't know what the Hillary camp... Else You Are Mad May 2016 #69
Maybe Hillary and her campaign will start treating Sanders and his candidacy with the proper respect One Black Sheep May 2016 #16
I'm sure the 'Hillary folks' will give your suggestion all COLGATE4 May 2016 #38
Maybe Berine and his campaign will start treating Clinton and her candidacy with the proper respect DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #45
"Sickening" - Brock's Word of the Day for 5/29 The Velveteen Ocelot May 2016 #20
Bernie is acting very irresponsibly Nonhlanhla May 2016 #21
If you're truly worried about Trump, get off the Hillary bandwagon. She can't win. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #26
She's already won the primaries Nonhlanhla May 2016 #29
Hillary's donors don't mind losing to Trump. arcane1 May 2016 #43
Really? Nonhlanhla May 2016 #48
Wall Street would be just fine with a republican in the White House.n/t arcane1 May 2016 #125
Stupidity abounds- redstateblues May 2016 #65
Datagate never happened. Politicalsanity May 2016 #76
Trumps gonna do a lot more harm to her than Sanders. bklyncowgirl May 2016 #22
Bravo, Bernie! Bravo! Keep fighting for the American people. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #25
Aww, how dare he try to win!? Jester Messiah May 2016 #27
Bernie will do anything to win-and that is not a good thing. riversedge May 2016 #35
So will (and has) Hillary, but she gets a pass apparently. Jester Messiah May 2016 #37
Pure projection. frylock May 2016 #92
This is to be expected of Bernie Progressive dog May 2016 #32
Sanders did say Tues night that he is up against the riversedge May 2016 #50
Payday loans for all, ring in Debbie W.S. nolabels May 2016 #82
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #33
It's OK. You can go back to sleep now. Dream of COLGATE4 May 2016 #42
lolz obamanut2012 May 2016 #49
Change of lyrics snort May 2016 #44
Haaaahahaha! Ya? Is it "sickening?" Are you "sickened?" RadiationTherapy May 2016 #46
Hillary's the only Democratic nominee that has a negitive approval rating. Giggity May 2016 #51
Bernie's sure been trying to damage Hillary Progressive dog May 2016 #55
Hiliary's inability to even manage a positive favorability isn't Bernie's fault. Giggity May 2016 #68
Bernie doesn't have much impact Progressive dog May 2016 #70
Not according to the OP. Giggity May 2016 #73
Sickening? SICKENING?? pangaia May 2016 #52
Sanders has lost what little integrity he had. nt LexVegas May 2016 #53
DEsperate much? *his advisers and allies say* Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #54
I know you are but what am I? dchill May 2016 #56
Well, get to work and kick his ass then Team Clinton BeyondGeography May 2016 #59
This may represent the most clueless op I've seen posted in my 3 years of posting here. EndElectoral May 2016 #60
I hope you're feeling better soon. DisgustipatedinCA May 2016 #62
Bernie is screwed in Cali apnu May 2016 #63
Hillary's internals for CA are in the shitter. frylock May 2016 #94
Do you have a link to Hillary's internals? I'd love to look at them. apnu May 2016 #103
You need only look at their panicked actions to know it's true. frylock May 2016 #105
I'm gonna stick with facts not forum posts apnu May 2016 #107
You do that. frylock May 2016 #110
How big is Bernie going to win Cali do you think? apnu May 2016 #112
Enough to win. frylock May 2016 #116
Then he's done apnu May 2016 #118
The only number that matters at this stage is <12 Federal Agents. frylock May 2016 #123
A Hillaritè actually has the nerve to talk about INTEGRITY BigBearJohn May 2016 #64
Wait, hold on. Else You Are Mad May 2016 #66
Nice way to tie the Brock violent meme with Sanders directly. nc4bo May 2016 #67
Actually... Else You Are Mad May 2016 #71
Sickening is that you Hillary fans don't understand that 10 million+ people do not want Hillary to jillan May 2016 #74
Sanders fans... dismiss Clinton having that many more not wanting Sanders. Winner/Loser. seabeyond May 2016 #85
I didn't like Clinton since the beginning of the primary. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #75
Clinton surrogates willing to divide party for California Prism May 2016 #77
I used to like her. frylock May 2016 #96
She's Establishment Prism May 2016 #100
How dare a candidate actually try to compete for delegates?! GreenPartyVoter May 2016 #78
He thinks he can harm Secretary Clinton? Good luck with that one! MoonRiver May 2016 #79
She's perfectly capable of doing that all on her own. frylock May 2016 #97
bad bad Bernie. Here, have a hug Autumn May 2016 #81
Hillary is sickening with her scandals and war machine via the 'foundation'. ViseGrip May 2016 #83
CT, for sure. Do what he has to.... So ego driven. Nt seabeyond May 2016 #84
What's he supposed to do? Embrace her? Kiss her hand? Send her a get-well card? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #86
C'mon, man. I thought she was a fighter? frylock May 2016 #87
They must be scared shitless of losing California. frylock May 2016 #89
Bernie has been much too kind and shown much too much deference to Hillary. Vinca May 2016 #91
+1. And how could it possibly hurt her, anyway, since she is The Supreme One? More whining... JudyM May 2016 #133
It's the heaping spoonfuls of Brockshit that are upsetting your tummy. frylock May 2016 #93
Calling her "Mrs. Clinton" is such a sexist insult. When a woman has earned a title, anotherproletariat May 2016 #98
I so agree. I'm a doctor, and my biggest pet peeve is when people insist on calling me Ms. eastwestdem May 2016 #99
Democracy is an awful thing isn't it Ferd Berfel May 2016 #101
Oh, yeah. Shadowflash May 2016 #104
I'll put Bernie up as a Democrat with Democrat values against anyone else out there. The principles highprincipleswork May 2016 #106
No one from his campaign said anything of the sort Cal Carpenter May 2016 #108
FAKE QUOTE AgerolanAmerican May 2016 #109
What "harm" can he possibly do that won't be forgotten by the convention? n/t Orsino May 2016 #115
Nothing he says or does will come close to what the Republicans have in store Goblinmonger May 2016 #122
let's have a direct quote that proves your headline. grasswire May 2016 #126
maybe he is tired of the DNC manipulations oldandhappy May 2016 #127
this is fair oldandhappy May 2016 #129
Primaries are that you show the difference in the other candidate from you..and if that bkkyosemite May 2016 #131
The Nerve pmorlan1 May 2016 #132
Let's look at this realistically Time for change May 2016 #134

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
15. How badly have they treated him
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:13 AM
May 2016

They allowed him to run in the Democratic Party primaries, even though he's never been a Democrat. He had access to all the same resources that any other candidate has.

Meanwhile he has sued them after HIS CAMPAIGN got caught with their hand in the cookie jar; he has attacked the party as a whole; he has refused to raise money for other Democrats; he now is on a scorched earth route against the Democratic Party's presumptive nominee (since he can no longer catch up with her), etc.

Yeah, poor Bernie. He really is the victim here...

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
23. Poor Bernie is the perpetual victim
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:21 AM
May 2016

The entire universe is against him!

I don't know how the poor fellow gets out of bed every morning.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
28. umm ya it's Bernie that's playing victim
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:32 AM
May 2016

that's so rich I must ask how many pounds did you gain while typing it ?

riversedge

(71,004 posts)
31. Bernie has devolved into a sick version of his earlier
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:36 AM
May 2016

inspiring self. Yes, I did find him to be inspiring earlier in the campaign but with each passing day, he has become angrier and defiant--not a good presidential image.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
39. This OP wasn't about BERNIE being the victim though, was it? It was about HILLARY being the victim.
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:44 AM
May 2016

Last edited Thu May 19, 2016, 10:26 AM - Edit history (1)

The victim, I should add, of having to compete in a primary state her supporters believe should arbitrarily be placed in her win column.

Ironic that you jump with both feet into a thread about how Hillary is the victim, claiming Bernie is a victim.

You funny. You funny guy.

aikoaiko

(34,193 posts)
2. I find the claim that Bernie intends to harm Clinton much more offensive and sickening.
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:01 AM
May 2016


I know Hill shills are upset that Bernie isn't dropping out and are now exaggerating anything to suppress Bernie's campaign.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
130. Exaggerating is right
Fri May 20, 2016, 02:39 PM
May 2016

After the Berniebros were so violent in Nevada, now Bernie wants to "Harm" Hillary?

Harm her? As in physically harm her (nice hyperbole there guys). He is going to do what any candidate does in a campaign...try to show her weakness and why he should win. If that is "harming" her, what the hell have she and Brock been doing to him?

Harm her my ass.

Hillary camp is getting a little too scared. I don't think California is going to go the way they want it to. I sure as hell hope California "harms" her efforts to win this race.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
4. Got your orders for the day, huh?
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:02 AM
May 2016

Too late. Hillary and her campaign are the reason people don't like her, and attacking all Bernie supporters as violent and angry will only guarantee her loss in the GE.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
47. 3 things
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:49 AM
May 2016

1. She should have dropped out earlier in 2008.
2. Nevertheless, it was a much, much close election, and she had far more reason to stay in at the time than Bernie does now.
3. In 2008 it was far less risky for her to stay in, since a Democratic GE victory was almost a certainty after 8 years of Bush. We're now on the other side of the pendulum, and a victory this year will be more difficult to achieve, so it's very risky for the Dems to stretch out the nomination fight, especially in the damaging way Bernie is doing it.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
72. Not situational
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:39 AM
May 2016

She basically did the same thing Bernie is doing. There were many calls from political leaders and media for her to drop out as a lost cause, but she did not until it was over....The numbers don't matter because the perceptions at the time that she had no chance to win were the same.

The overall political situation at the time is also irrelevant for comparison. The meme has been that she will stomp Trump. There were no certainties in 2008 that made it "safer" for her to continue her challenge. People were just as nervous about it.



Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
124. Everything is situational
Thu May 19, 2016, 06:44 PM
May 2016

I agree that Hillary should have stopped campaigning earlier in 2008, but she had far more reason to go on than Bernie does now. There was the issue of whether Florida's delegates would be seated or now, and she was far closer in delegates to Obama than Bernie is now.

And the situation was different. The country was suffering from major Bush fatigue, and the natural cycle was that a Democrat would be elected. Now we're coming off 8 years of Obama, and so the natural cycle would be to elect a Republican. So the risk of prolonging the primary is far higher this time around.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
6. Like pretending her supporters are violent?
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:04 AM
May 2016

Or hiring internet operatives to smear her on social media?

Actually, he'll probably just talk about policy like he always does...how mean of him!

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
18. THAT is what they don't want
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:17 AM
May 2016

Hillary is a bandwagon campaign with very few specifics so it matches up poorly with Sanderss campaign that is all policy.

They were losing early so they went on offense, trying to get Bernie into a defensive mode. We have been baited by much of it on social media but the Sanders campaign has stayed focused.

Btw, the ad that freaked out camp Clinton (Benenson: "Most negative ever....&quot was this one (?):

Response to QC (Reply #7)

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
95. you would know all about those high posting numbers from your early days...right?
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:45 PM
May 2016

and passing up most working stiffs for the last 90 days too.

QC

(26,371 posts)
24. That's not a very efficient use of donor money!
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:21 AM
May 2016

I just saw another one who has racked up more than 3,000 posts since Feb. 28.

Now that is some hustle!

Even has 7 hides already.

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
30. If only they would use more imagination with the Brock word of the day!
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:35 AM
May 2016

I would imagine it would bring about better job satisfaction.

Today word: Sickening

myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
41. It was thinking the same thing! Ha. Let's all scream real loud when we hear the world "sickening"
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:45 AM
May 2016

today.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
11. Hillary is permanently damaged
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:09 AM
May 2016

I don't think a scratch is going to matter on a bus that looks like this

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
119. They are called corporate Dems
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:45 PM
May 2016

Do you think real estate deals in Haiti are good things? Perhaps not supporting a living wage is epic? Then you might be a Hillary supporter.
'Nuff said.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
13. Hillary is sickening, and harming the U.S. Foundation, War, Arms selling, Wall Street.
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:10 AM
May 2016

Bill history of NAFTA and the end of the Glass Steagall Act, while she says she'll bring him back, are proof they both harm everyone! Except the 1%.....


Oh the contest is hurting Hillary, and it's Bernie, simply because he's in the race. Bernie has more integrity in his pinky, than all of congress and the Clinton's both.

Sending Chelsea out to lie....she HURT HER OWN CAMPAIGN.


Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
69. I don't know what the Hillary camp...
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:35 AM
May 2016

Will do when a candidate without any integrity actually campaigns against her. Trump has no integrity, but the Hillary campaign has already used that against Sanders, so it will look REALLY bad if they recycle the same stuff against Trump.

Don't think for a second that Trump won't call her out for using the same memes against him in response to all the attacks she will face from the right that you wrote above.

One Black Sheep

(458 posts)
16. Maybe Hillary and her campaign will start treating Sanders and his candidacy with the proper respect
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:15 AM
May 2016

Hell, I would be pissed too if I was Bernie, the Hillary campaign is acting as if all those millions of voters who voted for him, and all those states where he kicked her ass in terms of trouncing her in the vote, never existed or didn't happen. The Hillary folks running her campaign better wake up, and real quick-like.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,729 posts)
45. Maybe Berine and his campaign will start treating Clinton and her candidacy with the proper respect
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:47 AM
May 2016

Hell, I would be pissed too if I was Hillary, the Sanders campaign is acting as if all those millions of voters who voted for her, and all those states where she kicked his ass in terms of trouncing him in the vote, never existed or didn't happen. The Sanders folks running his campaign better wake up, and real quick-like.


Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
21. Bernie is acting very irresponsibly
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:21 AM
May 2016

The heart of progressivism is responsibility towards others, especially the poor and vulnerable. That is why we believe in social programs, in not waging war unnecessarily, in civil rights, in responsible governing.

The GOP is about to nominate one of the most dangerous individuals ever to take the helm of a major political party in the United States, a man whose rhetoric echoes that of some of history's worst demagogues, a man who is clearly all about his own ego, and who has no idea of government, economics, foreign policy,etc. And yet Bernie's campaign sees fit to damage the only person standing between the world and this dangerous individual, just to satisfy his ego. He knows damn well that the primaries are over; that he can no longer catch up. But he's willing to damage our nominee, to excuse violent behavior in his followers, to feed their grievances, and thereby to risk the victory of Donald Trump in November.

I started this primary being neutral. I switched to Hillary after datagate, because I detected a pattern of wrongdoing-claiming victimhood - blaming Hillary in the Bernie camp. That pattern has emerged more and more clearly in the months since. I've lost all my respect for Bernie. I'm not a super-fan of Hillary (was and still am primarily an Obama supporter), but despite some mistakes and despite some policies I don't agree with 100%, I see in her a responsible human being who will therefore serve the broader progressive cause well. I don't see that in Bernie, especially now.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
29. She's already won the primaries
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:33 AM
May 2016

Bernie can't win anymore.

The only person standing between us and Trump is Hillary.

Think about that.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
48. Really?
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:50 AM
May 2016

Did you poll Hillary's donors?

And even if they do, that does not change the fact that Trump is incredibly dangerous.

 

Politicalsanity

(6 posts)
76. Datagate never happened.
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:04 AM
May 2016

"Datagate" never happened, not in the way that you are attempting to portray it.

Yes, the database was compromised (by a member of Sanders' staff, who had been recommended by both the DNC and Hillary's campaign, and who was promptly fired from the Sanders campaign after the breach was discovered).

However, an independent forensic audit concluded that there had been no download of files from the database by the Sanders group, and that the DNC had been negligent in its security protocols.

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
22. Trumps gonna do a lot more harm to her than Sanders.
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:21 AM
May 2016

This stuff is out there already and don't pretend that it isn't.

 

ThePhilosopher04

(1,732 posts)
25. Bravo, Bernie! Bravo! Keep fighting for the American people.
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:25 AM
May 2016

He's the only candidate in this campaign who is.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
27. Aww, how dare he try to win!?
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:26 AM
May 2016

Get it through your Hillarite skulls: he's not going to roll over for you. Ever.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
37. So will (and has) Hillary, but she gets a pass apparently.
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:42 AM
May 2016

And she's done far worse. Sanders' only sin is a refusal to give up, and at least he fights by honest means.

Progressive dog

(6,945 posts)
32. This is to be expected of Bernie
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:39 AM
May 2016
Hillary Clinton is not the first progressive Democratic woman to be challenged by Bernie Sanders. He ran against me in 1986 when I was running for my second term as governor of Vermont. At that time he had little affinity for the Democratic Party. When advised that his third-party candidacy might result in a Republican victory, he saw no difference between Democrats and Republicans, saying: “It is absolutely fair to say you are dealing with Tweedledum and Tweedledee.”

[link:https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/02/04/when-bernie-sanders-ran-against-vermont/kNP6xUupbQ3Qbg9UUelvVM/story.html|

riversedge

(71,004 posts)
50. Sanders did say Tues night that he is up against the
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:09 AM
May 2016

whole Democratic establishment--to his crowd. Lots of cheers.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
82. Payday loans for all, ring in Debbie W.S.
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:48 AM
May 2016

The list of sell outs from the third way people is very long and that is what many people do here, expose it.

The many cheers you are hearing from the Bernie rallies is from the facts and truth being told. If you don't like that kind of thing then i would suggest you go back to hiding somewhere people believe in lies they are being fed.

Response to CrowCityDem (Original post)

COLGATE4

(14,739 posts)
42. It's OK. You can go back to sleep now. Dream of
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:46 AM
May 2016

the alternate universe where unicorns run free and Bernie wins California by 30 points. It will all be OK>

 

Giggity

(86 posts)
51. Hillary's the only Democratic nominee that has a negitive approval rating.
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:11 AM
May 2016

There's nothing Bernie could do that would damage Hillary worse than Hillary damages Hillary.

 

Giggity

(86 posts)
68. Hiliary's inability to even manage a positive favorability isn't Bernie's fault.
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:35 AM
May 2016

It is entirely her own.

There has never been a Democratic nominee that has failed to manage the ridiculously low bar of not being actively disliked by the majority of the country.
Hillary is literally the worst Democratic nominee in history.

 

Giggity

(86 posts)
73. Not according to the OP.
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:40 AM
May 2016

Bernie has every right to freely run for office via popular election and Hilliary's historically unprecedented lack of popularity is her fault and her problem.
Bernie doesn't factor into that discussion.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
52. Sickening? SICKENING??
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:12 AM
May 2016

What do you think your own 'candidate' has been doing for the past umteen months..?
THAT, my friend, is sickening..

Your last 2 paragraphs prove you have no idea who Bernie Sanders is..just none....

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
54. DEsperate much? *his advisers and allies say*
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:14 AM
May 2016

PAthetic stench of desperation.

It's a primary.
Hillary knows all about campaigning
to the bitter end.

She did far more harm to Obama
with her dog whistles and extended
primary than Bernie is doing to her.

Embarrassing how tender and feeble
the Clinton campaign appears.

How's she gonna stand up to Putin
if Bernie is such a meanie?

apnu

(8,776 posts)
63. Bernie is screwed in Cali
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:23 AM
May 2016

His campaign manager has fled, and so too other key staffers like his chief technology officer.

I don't know what this is about, but Bernie's chances to win Cali are sputtering, and he needs a blow out there, like 90% of the PDs in Cali, kind of blow out. Which isn't going to happen. At best Cali will be a narrow to "ok" win for Bernie. I think, if he wins, he'd beat Hillary by 10 points maximum. Not enough to close the delegate count.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
94. Hillary's internals for CA are in the shitter.
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:44 PM
May 2016

That's the reason for the increase in Brockshit over the last week.

apnu

(8,776 posts)
107. I'm gonna stick with facts not forum posts
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:16 PM
May 2016

If you don't have it, you don't have it. That's fine.

apnu

(8,776 posts)
118. Then he's done
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:44 PM
May 2016

"enough to win" won't cut his delegate shortage. He must blow Hillary out by 30+ points. Given his campaign is shedding staff in Cali either they think they've got such a comfortable lead it doesn't matter (very unlikely) or they're winding things down.

BigBearJohn

(11,410 posts)
64. A Hillaritè actually has the nerve to talk about INTEGRITY
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:25 AM
May 2016


Oh, please, stop. You're killing me.
Please, go cry to mama.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
66. Wait, hold on.
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:27 AM
May 2016

Discussing how Sanders' policies are better than Clinton's is harming her? But, isn't that how primaries are supposed to work? Candidates are supposed to win over votes by defending their policies not by having people whine about how their opponent is harming their chances in the GE.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
67. Nice way to tie the Brock violent meme with Sanders directly.
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:31 AM
May 2016

Shitty, lowbrow subject line taking entire topic out of context.

You should work for The National. Enquirer.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
71. Actually...
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:36 AM
May 2016

The National Enquired has more of an editorial/journalistic ethics and standard than the Hillary bought off media.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
74. Sickening is that you Hillary fans don't understand that 10 million+ people do not want Hillary to
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:45 AM
May 2016

be the nominee.

We are fighting to the end.

Disgusting is the way Clintonistas keep belittling Bernie, ignoring his supporters and thinking that our movement is just a big joke.

I have zero respect for her and her campaign.


 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
75. I didn't like Clinton since the beginning of the primary.
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:49 AM
May 2016

But I didn't, in fact would not have believed, that the amount of coordination between the DNC, media and the Clinton campaign was possible, and I most certainly would not have believed that this ratfucking would be celebrated by "liberals" and "progressives".

Clinton supporters do not understand. Forget Clinton... the behavior of the party itself is making millions of americans reevaluate whether they want to be democrats at all, and reinforcing the cynicism of independents.

Don't worry, because of the malfeasance and assholishness of the establishment and their lickspittle toadies, elected Democrats will be reduced to that bottom rung.

Perhaps it's for the best. This party needs to be torn down and rebuilt, it's easier to tear down an already collapsed building.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
77. Clinton surrogates willing to divide party for California
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:09 AM
May 2016

Which is what this whole "they were practically rioting!" Narrative is aimed at.

Especially the Barbara Boxer business. "They called her the b-word!" Like Cali voters are going to rush to defend her honor.

Not so much. We like her just fine. I like her just fine. But if you think there's some untapped mass of Senator worshippers who will now activate to defend her in a raging voter horde, uh, no.

She picked a fight. She lost. It was a dumb decision.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
96. I used to like her.
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:46 PM
May 2016

Had a great deal of respect for her, in fact. No more. Her actions only serve to reinforce my decision to never join the Party.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
100. She's Establishment
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:55 PM
May 2016

She's done good things, but invariably being in a position of power too long leads to a disconnect and entitlement.

When I saw her, "I feared for my safety!" hilarity, I cringed. Oh, good lord, she just beclowned herself.

And for what? Hillary. People keep sacrificing their ideals, honor, and integrity for this corrupt politician, and I will never ever figure out why. She has all the charisma of a doormat.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
97. She's perfectly capable of doing that all on her own.
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:48 PM
May 2016

In fact, it seems to be the only thing she ever gets right.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
86. What's he supposed to do? Embrace her? Kiss her hand? Send her a get-well card?
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:56 AM
May 2016

He's running against her and her politics.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
87. C'mon, man. I thought she was a fighter?
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:28 PM
May 2016

She's got this right? Bernie is just toughening her up for the GE. Isn't that what Hillary Supporter always tells us?

Vinca

(50,411 posts)
91. Bernie has been much too kind and shown much too much deference to Hillary.
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:39 PM
May 2016

I didn't think that before, but his avoidance of the issues that will be raised in the general election hasn't done him any favors. It's clear the elites in the Democratic Party aren't showing much gratitude for preserving Hillary's stature. I doubt he'll let loose in California by any standard coming close to what the GOP is going to unleash.

JudyM

(29,406 posts)
133. +1. And how could it possibly hurt her, anyway, since she is The Supreme One? More whining...
Fri May 20, 2016, 02:45 PM
May 2016
 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
98. Calling her "Mrs. Clinton" is such a sexist insult. When a woman has earned a title,
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:49 PM
May 2016

it needs to be used, Mr. Sanders.

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
99. I so agree. I'm a doctor, and my biggest pet peeve is when people insist on calling me Ms.
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:51 PM
May 2016

when they are aware of my profession. I work with many men, who are never 'accidentally' called Mr.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
101. Democracy is an awful thing isn't it
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:56 PM
May 2016

I'm sure that CLinton, DWS and Wall Street will officially eliminate it as soon as they can

Yeah, its' sickening that Bernie wins and Draws hurt her highness
IT proves what a lame candidate she is. Maybe you should be supporting a better candidate?


Shadowflash

(1,536 posts)
104. Oh, yeah.
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:05 PM
May 2016

Horrible.

God forbid he use facts in his attempt to win a contest that is still ongoing, to try and beat her.

What the hell is he thinking? He should just make ads about rainbows and lolly pops and say nothing but warm fuzzy things about her at his campaign rallies.


God, you people are pathetic.

I thought HRC was the greatest thing since sliced bread? What can Sanders do to bring down the inevitable one?

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
106. I'll put Bernie up as a Democrat with Democrat values against anyone else out there. The principles
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:08 PM
May 2016

he stands for are generally my principles, and I can count on him to fight for them.

I cannot say that for the Democratic Party at large, which has been shanghaied by corporate interests since the 1990's.

If the Hillary campaign would quit getting all hysterical about the race continuing for as long as it did in 2008, we could all breath a lot easier. It's what roughly half the Democratic Party wants, and I sincerely hope that Bernie fulfills his promise to take it at least that far.

If those on the Hillary side were really smart, and the winners they like to think they are, they would be making sure Sanders supporters feel understood, supported, and fought for. A whole lot easier and better for the Party than trying to redesign it or continue to redesign it around Republicans.

Is that what the Hillary supporters want after all - a Democratic Party that is pretty much like the Republican Party of the past?

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
108. No one from his campaign said anything of the sort
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:18 PM
May 2016

and I'm not sure which is worse - the NYT for the misleading headline, or the OP for adding quotation marks so it looks like a direct quote.

If I'm wrong about this, and someone used that language other than the author of this article, please let me know.

 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
109. FAKE QUOTE
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:25 PM
May 2016

No one in the article is saying he's "willing to do some harm to Mrs. Clinton".

Nor is that an accurate transcription of the headline.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
122. Nothing he says or does will come close to what the Republicans have in store
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:48 PM
May 2016

NOTHING.

I thought she was tough and up for it.

If anything, Sanders still staying in the race is taking some heat off her right now or Trump would be all in.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
126. let's have a direct quote that proves your headline.
Fri May 20, 2016, 02:28 PM
May 2016

You have quote marks there. So let's have the quote.

Otherwise, it's hogwash.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
129. this is fair
Fri May 20, 2016, 02:36 PM
May 2016

Advisers to Mr. Sanders said on Wednesday that he was newly resolved to remain in the race, seeing an aggressive campaign as his only chance to pressure Democrats into making fundamental changes to how presidential primaries and debates are held in the future. They said he also held out hope of capitalizing on any late stumbles by Mrs. Clinton or any damage to her candidacy, whether by scandal or by the presumptive Republican nominee, Donald J. Trump.

The above headline is not in the article. If you are worried about an aggressive campaign, you ain't seen nothin' yet. Trump will not be the gentleman that Bernie has been.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
131. Primaries are that you show the difference in the other candidate from you..and if that
Fri May 20, 2016, 02:41 PM
May 2016

makes her look bad that's her fault not Bernie's. She has enough stuff going on to make herself look bad.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
132. The Nerve
Fri May 20, 2016, 02:44 PM
May 2016

How dare Bernie focus on his own campaign rather than try to help Hillary with hers. Doesn't he know that's not how it's done. The candidate that is supposed to win must have help from her opponent if it looks like she might lose.

Time for change

(13,718 posts)
134. Let's look at this realistically
Fri May 20, 2016, 03:01 PM
May 2016

1) The author of the article doesn't even quote anyone in making the statement about "harm" to Clinton. It is apparently an interpretation by the author, rather than anything that anyone actually said.

2) Clearly the use of the word "harm" is meant as political harm, not bodily harm.

3) I have never in my life seen a primary where all the candidates running were not willing to do some political harm to their opponent in order to win. Be honest about this. It NEVER happens, whether they honestly admit it or not.

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