Lawrence O'Donnell Carpeting Bombing Hillary with Polls

[Segami]

Lawrence said as of tonight's poll, Hillary Clinton has now passed Trump in the unfavourables.



Edited to add video:

[Segami]

1. Boom!

[Peregrine Took]

67. Shockaloca!!

[Segami]

77. Boom shockaloca boom shockaloca.......

[mmonk]

86. +1

[Barack_America]

2. That's our girl!

[Segami]

15. Sure is

[Peregrine Took]

69. Lol!

[reformist2]

3. Thanks to Hillary's good friends Barbara B. and Roberta L. in Nevada for putting her over the top!

[Segami]

4. Lawrence showing new national poll

Trump - 45%

Clinton - 42%

[uponit7771]

5. FAUX news polls and in MAY?! He's a Sanders fan ... he's overt with it and doesn't care. Trump also

... is getting a nominee bump and ODonnell is leaving that out of his narrative.

[Grassy Knoll]

14. Faux Noise Polls, Hmm?

The More You Know!! Thanx.

[kaleckim]

56. Yes

and he, being a Sanders supporter, can change objective reality...with his mind, that's how powerful you become when you start supporting Sanders. Now, are there other polls not showing the same thing? Head in the sand?

[ThePhilosopher04]

59. Lawrence is 100% correct. Hillary has major flaws and will get destroyed by Trump in the fall.

She inspires no one and will lose independents by whopping margins. We're doomed if she's the nominee.

[uponit7771]

70. Someone posted the internals on the FAUX poll and the number don't match seeing he loses 5% of

... the white vote rMoney had and 5% of rMoneys Latino vote

Its a FAUX news poll where ODonnell only looked at the negative Hillary stuff

[RufusTFirefly]

79. Fear not. Bernie supporters will get blamed for it.

I've been a Democrat my entire life (very active even before I could vote), but I'm afraid I've caught on to how my party works these days.

Should Hillary get elected, we will be instructed to bite our tongues for the sake of party unity as she moves us further and further to the right. (But, but, can't you see? She has no choice!)

[uponit7771]

80. yeap, deservedly so

[dchill]

78. He's a truth fan.

Which must really sting.

[eastwestdem]

6. Then I guess all real Democrats have a lot of work to do. I'm sure you're with us, right? nt

[timmymoff]

7. Nope, we were told many times you don't need us.

We will honor your request while we work on progressive issues, something you would know little about.

[uponit7771]

16. We won the last two times without that kind of attitude we'll win again

[timmymoff]

19. Tell me about privilege , c'mon uponit7771, stand your ground and tell me about it again.

I told you why I won't be supporting her. I noticed you kind of shut the hell up afterwards, cat got your fingers? Tell me of my huge amount of privilege.

[uponit7771]

21. Privileged attitudes throw temper tantrums

[timmymoff]

23. I told you why i do not support Hillary

she has no fight in her. I do not take well to those not willing to stand for anything.

[uponit7771]

25. Hmmm, you think Sander will be back in 4 years to run against her again?

... no, he's a whiner ... he's the one with no fight in him

[lancer78]

83. He will also be 78 by then n/t

[Robbins]

87. yep

we warned people about trump VS CLinton and they laughed us off.and we were told you bernie supporters aren't needed or wanted.

[mindwalker_i]

11. "Be good little _______ and do what you're told"

Yeah, that'll work, just like it has been working so well.

[840high]

26. .+1

[Logical]

35. How do we make Hill likeable?

[EndElectoral]

40. Crickets

[tokenlib]

90. Well, you'd better get to work then....n

[CanonRay]

8. I voted for Bernie

But really people, a Fox noise May poll? We're losing our collective minds.

[kaleckim]

58. There's other polls

showing the same thing though. He could have done the same exact segment using those polls. This was all predictable, by the way. We've been telling the Clinton supporters this for months now, how weak she is as a candidate, pointed to her polling much worse versus all the Republicans than Sanders, that she isn't trusted or liked. The reality is just now seeping in, for some reason. I hope they take responsibility for putting THEMSELVES in this position.

[CanonRay]

64. Sorry, this crap is meaningless at this point.

[kaleckim]

66. Nonsense

polls this late often closely align with the final results, and the trajectory on her unfavorables and how little she is trusted is a long time in the making. Given how well known she is, any news that emerges about her is just as likely to hurt her as help her. She's the second most unpopular major party nominee in polling history, but she has a chance against her opponent, the most unpopular nominee. What a horrible election.

[merrily]

62. Denial and source shaming aside, other polls are showing them very close.

[uponit7771]

74. Yes, Trump gets a post nom bump... typical even for this early.

[merrily]

84. Ted Cruz dropped out May 2 or 3. The bump would have been most apparent then, not now.

[MFM008]

9. O Donnel then says a fox poll is always in line

with national polls? Has he lost his ratfuking mind?
He needs to turn off the lights over his head. They are TO HOT.

[BillZBubb]

29. Fox polls are almost always within the margin of error.

[UMTerp01]

10. Poll also shows Sanders lead slipping from 14 to 4 points

Not that I even pay attention to polls this far out. There's typically a bump after the presumptive nominee is chosen, a bump after the convention, but I'm sure none of the Sandernistas are going to discuss Bernie's sliding numbers according to this particular poll. Stop putting so much stock into national polls when Presidential elections are won by the Electoral College.

[LenaBaby61]

82. Poll shows Bernie slipping by 10 points....

Which is WHY I don't believe in or pay attention to Fox Polling, especially since it's only May.

[Jitter65]

12. Polls are not votes. Just ask Romney. AND no one wants to talk about the elephant in the room

these polls under sample POCs in a big way. And FOX especially so. As soon as Bernie is out of the race Hillary's numbers will increase. Of course there is always the unpredictable candidate Trump and his rabid supporters.

[uponit7771]

17. +1, Hillary is being attacked on both sides by two men bitter men who have the privilege of not...

... having decades of stupid CTs propped by the media

[timmymoff]

24. Our Goldwater Girl must not have been vetted well enough

[Logical]

38. Which Dems are attacking Hillary? nt

[SwampG8r]

53. She is the most priveledged and entitled human on earth

[uponit7771]

55. The only women in the race is the most privileged human? Not the old angry white guys who are...

.. either well off or billionaires?

really!?!?

sigh

[merrily]

76. The Jewish guy whose family members died in the Holocaust who is only 6 years older than Hill?

The one who was the object of vile anti-Semitic posts at DU and hillarysupporters.com, among other website?

The one the only very, very wealthy and powerful woman in the race distinguished herself from by announcing at rallies"I'm a Christian."

The one who grew up in a three room apt. in a very poor area of Brooklyn? That one?

Shame on anyone that callous and ageist.

http://jackpineradicals.org/entry.php?209-Democratic-Primary-2016-Will-religious-bigotry-work-this-time

[JCMach1]

13. Everyone CHILL OUT, in the freaking FOX POLL Trump was only getting 55% of the white vote

that is 4% worse than Romney.

That means Democratic landslide despite anything else the polling may have indicated...

On edit, in the same poll he is also doing 4% worse with Hispanics than Romney.

Those are disaster numbers.

Also, 20% of Indys would stay home and not vote.

Given the internals, that would seem the only big area where Sanders would have an advantage over either.


If those internals hold, forget the headline... it's Dems in a landslide.

[uponit7771]

18. That's another reason I was looking sideways at ODonnell, he knows the internals suck for Trump

... and only touted the trust internal polling.

He's sounding like the lighter version of a bro

[JCMach1]

30. I edited my post, it's even worse for Trump with Latinos...

He may win Indys in this poll, but 1/5 would just stay home... keep in-mind Romney won indys by 5% in 2012. I think McCain won them by 8% or so in 2008.

[uponit7771]

31. wow!!! he's losing worse than rMoney with Latinos and has lost 5% of the white vote and somehow

... he's winning against Clinton?

Another bunk ass'd FAUX news poll

[JCMach1]

43. And if they somehow magically oversampled the group to massage the results AND

those were the internals...

That is horrific for Trump.

Sanders would even be worse for him, imagine a boost of 1-5% of the Indy vote.

Either way, how did FOX get those fantasy numbers?

[BlueNoMatterWho]

41. This

This is true! He's +24 with whites but only at 55%. Though he is winning white women by 9%.

[JCMach1]

45. Did they oversample Conservative White Women? hmmmmm

[BlueNoMatterWho]

49. B.S.

It has to be B.S. If it's not, we're screwed.

[JCMach1]

51. Republican math... the internals don't add up...

at all...

[JCMach1]

46. All polls need to be thoroughly taken to the woodshed this cycle... this Fox poll is just another

fine example.

I actually don't trust them at all.

Saying that though, it could freaking mean Trump plus 10 for all we really know!

[uponit7771]

50. no, not at all

[kaleckim]

60. Well then

Nate Silver won't do anything on the November elections for, what, three or four months? Will he go on a long vacation? Why should he bother doing polls when they're essentially useless at this point, even if the historic data says otherwise (and he knows it). Democrats will ignore all polls regarding the November elections, since they're so far out? Or, just some polls, for some reason? At some point, people just have to confront and deal with this situation in an honest way. Clinton supporters may want to lay off the blatant lying about and attacks on the left and Sanders supporters.

[merrily]

63. Seems as though only a very short time ago, polls were gospel, doesn't it?

If you questioned them, you were Mitt Romney or something like that?

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[merrily]

68. Also, I, for one, am grateful that DU has access to Trump's internal polls.

[uponit7771]

71. FAUX new polls?! Really!?

[merrily]

72. See Reply 62 and posts by other posters on this thread to the same effect. Thanks ever so.

[uponit7771]

73. FAUX news has a horrible hit rate, that's why no one cared about them even if it was a positive

[merrily]

85. It's not about only FOX. What part of Reply 72 did you not understand?

[One Black Sheep]

20. Thanks for the video, wish more people would do this when reporting

on what they saw on the television. It is very helpful for all of us who no longer watch normal television.

[uponit7771]

22. You mean leave out the internal polling of Trump losing ground on white votes vs rMoney? ODonnells

... reporting on that poll is full of shit

[One Black Sheep]

28. jeez, calm down, that is just your interpretation of the video.

I was just thanking Segami for posting the video, and you jump all over me.

[TheBlackAdder]

36. Anyone who is politically savvy knows that the GOP closes ranks after the GE. Trump will center.

.


The Democrats are the ones who have a harder time going to the polls.
The Democrats were completely outshone by GOP turnout in the primaries.


If there isn't something to energize the base, then the Democratic turnout won't be there.


You seem mighty cocky that HR is going to pull this off, when even her own camp is probably shitting bricks.

That's the problem when someone is so completely myopic, with tunnel vision over their candidate and loses objectivity.



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[Segami]

32. You're welcome One Black Sheep

Welcome to DU

[One Black Sheep]

37. Thank you!

[tandem5]

33. He's no Olbermann. More camera angles!!

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. And CNN was doing the same

narrative moment kids.

[ViseGrip]

39. WHOA!!! She's done. The party better stick a fork in her.

[JudyM]

52. .

[cry baby]

42. Hmmm, all I've heard in GDP is that MSNBC is in the tank for Hillary.

Oops, I guess that theory is out the window.

[JCMach1]

47. Lawrence at least avoids getting thrown under the Sanders bus today...

[tandem5]

54. but bus hungry!

[kaleckim]

61. See what happens

when you refrain from blatantly lying and just stick to facts?

[H2O Man]

57. Recommended.

I am surprised that he still has his show. He remains one of the very few honest journalists on tv.

[JonLeibowitz]

81. And Chris Hayes -- the network holds him back but he is typically decent.

[.99center]

75. Hmmm, smearing Democrats isn't helping her?

[pdsimdars]

88. Reality check! This is devastating and I hope it wakes up the Party.

Or hello President Trump

[pdsimdars]

89. And, I must say, O'Donnell did a good job. I thought MSNBC had nothing good but

he actually did a service to the party and the country.

[Babel_17]

91. So a lot is riding on how public perception forms around what the take away is ...

from the release of the FBI's investigation of the handling of the server. I guess we can for now put a pin in how the public will come down on the use of The Clinton Foundation (Cheers, or Jeers, or a mix of both). That will come later, after all things server related are resolved, more or less. Strongly connected to the end of the FBI investigation will be the conclusion, and the media's take away, of the end of the civil case regarding the FOIA requests by Judicial Watch.

There's a window of opportunity for the argument to be made that all of the above just shows that there was never any real there there. But if the take away from all of the above is that shady ethics were in play, then Clinton's negatives might be written in stone, and at an even worse level.

The end result for the press could be a story that is a lot of "meh", or it could be a juicy bone that they'll never let go of. I think stories like the one from the OP are the prelude to this long running investigation finally entering its last stage.