2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBarbara Boxer: There were angry proles standing only 6 feet away from me, swearing at me
For some reason, they didn't like the fact that I was taunting them. Nor did they appreciate that the convention rules were being arbitrarily changed on the spot, right in front of their faces, so as to snuff them out.
Just how did these peons manage to invade my personal, senatorial space in the first place? And even though none of the people yelling at me actually threatened me in any way, why weren't there more security personnel there to crack their skulls? I am a "progressive", you know.
I just can't figure it out; what was their problem, anyway?
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Life is rough outside of your little political bubble.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)maybelline jombi
(8 posts)YouDig
(2,280 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)Has no relation to reality and deserves no attention. Trash and Ignore for this one.
Merryland
(1,134 posts)It seemed like someone was trying to ease her way off the stage & she refused to leave or shut up. It was infuriating - she was the instigator of the anger & if she doesn't know it, she's downright stupid. Honestly.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)to be trotted out as a Liberal shill.
Calling her office today, because I have been a supporter and am a constituent, they said she was there to
"promote unity".
With all due respect for the many times she has been Progressive, all I can conclude is that she is as clueless as the rest of them that a new POST 90'S AND THE REAGAN REVOLUTION is dawning, and the Democrats could take advantage of it if they could only learn to catch up with history.
The wrong answer is to go with the same old standard Clinton rulebook of backtracking, veering right, triangulating, and compromise. I would say those were the VERY WORST parts of Obama's presidency and playbook. Wouldn't everyone here pretty much agree with that? The best parts - his more Progressive parts.
His own presidency helps prove that the Reagan Revolution is dead, and so does Trump's nomination.
Wake up from your vision of the convention as a 90's prom extravaganza, and smell the smell of the coffee. The bracing smell of Progressive coffee, and how wonderful it smells to the American people.
On the other hand, do more "party unity" like Senator Boxer did, and I think we will all be able to say something like the immortal words of George W. Bush "you're doing a heckuva job Brownie".
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Waaaaaaaaaa!
The OP has it exactly right, and none of these thugs have a right to complain about people not liking their shit.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)If Boxer told them to shut up and do as they're told, there are consequences to that action. Again, part of the job and as Hillary acolytes say, it ain't bean-bag.
When people respond to you, do you get a bonus?
YouDig
(2,280 posts)Pretty crazy stuff, scary even.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Sometimes people aren't polite to thugs. And being aenator isn't like being king. You don't get automatic protection from you actions because of divine right.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)When you arbitrarily change rules to benefit one candidate, then give a "speech" telling people to shut up and take it, that is madness.
merrily
(45,251 posts)she shouldn't be in politics.
frylock
(34,825 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)what she felt because if lying is in service to Hillary's campaign, it's 'for a greater good'. So yeah, I think she's lying about being fearful of her safety.
merrily
(45,251 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Heh. Thanks.
nemo137
(3,297 posts)It's a pretty thin peg to hang anything from this election season on.
Merryland
(1,134 posts)Was there ever a more stupid thing to say?
merrily
(45,251 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)...and it is going to be that way for a significant period of time. What does she think happens when people are denied the democratic processes they were taught to idolize?
YouDig
(2,280 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Link?
Thanks.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)#bernielogic
mrdmk
(2,943 posts)On Ignore
arcane1
(38,613 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)(swoon...)
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)YouDig
(2,280 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)YouDig
(2,280 posts)The Hillary people were respectful, the Bernie people had no interest in unity, they were there to disrupt.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)i hope she's not thinking of going into acting when she retires. She's not very good at it.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)threaten his safety.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)was going to be a provocateur. And she shouldn't play-act later about the event. Shame, shame, shame.
I'm not supporting how Bernie supporters acted. But I do think they were provoked beyond reason, and she was a shameful part of it.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)She was playing the same role as Nina Turner, the big invited speaker from the Hillary camp. Bernie people will only be happy if they get to shut out all voices that aren't theirs. And if not, they riot.
Bernie's going to speak at the convention. Do I want to hear him go on with his dumb talking points and policies that he has no idea how to pay for and mostly doesn't even understand? Of course not, and a lot of people there won't care much for it either. But none of them are going to start yelling slurs at him, and if they do, I'll be the first to condemn it.
He has earned the right to speak, just like he earned the right to have Nina Turner speak in Nevada. Just yelling people down because you don't agree with them is crazy behavior.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)that would be a helluva start.
merrily
(45,251 posts)For the love of heaven, the false equivalences are so massive the great wall of china is envious.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)YouDig
(2,280 posts)But not liking the rules doesn't justify sexist slurs, violence, threats, or any of that.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Please stop being so dishonest. This was not about the rules, but about one person making herself dictator and not allowing people to be heard, votes to be taken, etc. Instead of posting out of your ear every forty seconds, stop and watch some of the videos so you'll know what actually happened. Or don't and keep pushing half truths and falsehoods. I really don't care which.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)The fact is, there were more Hillary people there than Bernie, so the Hillary people won the votes. It's math, once again Bernie's nemesis.
merrily
(45,251 posts)YouDig
(2,280 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)YouDig
(2,280 posts)pretending she was bothered not by the sexism and threats to her safety, but by being surrounded by "proles". Imagine if it was Obama surround by people yelling racist slurs. Tell me why this is different.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)even going so far as to smear Bernie supporters so as to boost her candidate.
Sad, but this happens - money corrupts, power corrupts, and nobody is immune.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Comfort the comfortable and afflict the afflicted.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)she should be ashamed.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)They need to be brought to heel...
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)boomer55
(592 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)her reputation
JCanete
(5,272 posts)It really makes sense when it comes to Nevada, where people are right, Hillary got the votes. There's nothing really to win by fucking with stuff, except to stoke a fire. It hasn't paid off as much as they'd like, but I expect they'll keep trying until somebody does get hurt or they get a real gotcha outburst, and then they'll say "see! Look at these horrible supporters and where is Bernie to condemn this!"
I'm not saying that they will have deserved it, or that they shouldn't be able to say what they think in a public place without the threat of assault or violence. I never advocate violence, and whoever loses his or her shit enough to resort to it is not only giving them what they want and undercutting our message of peaceful revolution, but making the world a worse place in the process.
But now, I suppose, cue the "sore loser" and "tin-foil hat" accusations. "Remember, if you are questioning the system you are insane. Sincerely, the system."