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Hillary is uniting the Republican Party... (Original Post) Human101948 May 2016 OP
And? firebrand80 May 2016 #1
No they would not as much under Bernie Duckhunter935 May 2016 #2
I don't think they would like the firebrand80 May 2016 #5
Your opinion Duckhunter935 May 2016 #8
And she STILL won. What does that tell you? BlueCaliDem May 2016 #31
You need those independents Duckhunter935 May 2016 #43
Social conservatives??!!! Bernie??!!! Hortensis May 2016 #9
Ill admit Hillary has been more stable as far as jobs go Travis_0004 May 2016 #15
You seem to agree that the vicious right would Hortensis May 2016 #18
None of this matters if all "alleged" liberals show up and vote for the Democrat, unless Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #28
She won't be romping over Trump as many here have predicted... Human101948 May 2016 #3
I think this is true, whomever the Dem candidate is. apnu May 2016 #19
Exactly as you say, "Trump's supporters literally don't care what he says and does. He's RKP5637 May 2016 #30
Tapping Bubba as economic adviser is a head scratcher. apnu May 2016 #34
To me, it's a really major strategic error that will play right into Trump's hands. Quite RKP5637 May 2016 #38
maybe so, I'm still trying to process it. apnu May 2016 #39
Yep! n/t RKP5637 May 2016 #42
Nope. Clearly Republicans want an anti-establishment, true change candidate. merrily May 2016 #6
The Kristol types will tout her. The ordinary Republican voter will not. merrily May 2016 #4
Yep... we have... wait for it... a PARTISAN ELECTION Recursion May 2016 #7
Comrades will sit out election Protalker May 2016 #10
You are beating a dead horse with the down ticket talk... Human101948 May 2016 #11
And the "comrade" insult brands you as a Joe McCarthy Republican... Human101948 May 2016 #14
Bernie admires socialists Protalker May 2016 #16
Hillary is a Third Way hawk. THAT'S the problem, not that she is a Capitalist. djean111 May 2016 #20
Yea Protalker May 2016 #22
And you think social conservatives would've flocked to Bernie? Tarc May 2016 #12
That's true. I don't know how many of the former Trump haters have now come around Vinca May 2016 #13
Well, isn't this what Bernie's supporters are being asked to do - djean111 May 2016 #21
If the choice is Hillary or Trump, it should be obvious which is a safer bet for the country. Vinca May 2016 #24
I don't think war and corporate trade deals and means-testing Social Security and fracking djean111 May 2016 #25
Well, I happen to agree, but if Bernie doesn't get the nomination do you prefer Vinca May 2016 #32
Here's the thing - I won't be voting for Trump, but I don't trust Hillary with nukes either. djean111 May 2016 #35
I agree, but I don't think she'd use a nuke and I think Trump would. Vinca May 2016 #44
Yeah...they needed unitiing since they were really conflicted on Obama. LexVegas May 2016 #17
Well that makes perfect sense actually Matt_in_STL May 2016 #23
We can't help it if Social Conservatives are Sexist, bigoted assholes who were united by Obama being Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #26
One of the first of many "I told you so's". Just a fact. Not to be wished for. There is, of course highprincipleswork May 2016 #27
The GOP puffy socks May 2016 #29
Sure, a Socialist who wishes to drain trillions out of their pockets would never unite Republicans. Trust Buster May 2016 #33
That's why I hear dems residing to voting republican. Democrats are liars they are saying. ViseGrip May 2016 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP May 2016 #37
Worse than that- She will attempt MERGING the RW neo-Dems and the 'centrist/moderate' republicans Ferd Berfel May 2016 #40
That is a no brainer. She can unite the Republican Party like no other. Skwmom May 2016 #41

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
31. And she STILL won. What does that tell you?
Mon May 16, 2016, 11:28 AM
May 2016

What does it tell you when all those "independents" get outraged they can't muck up the Democratic Party nomination process? Many registered only to vote for Sanders and then unregistered themselves only to find their little plan of stealing delegates in NV fell through. Aw.

"Independents" are the reason why we still have Republicans controlling U.S. Congress and SCOTUS. I have very little to no respect or kind feelings for these "independents". But then again, I AM a Democrat.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. Social conservatives??!!! Bernie??!!!
Mon May 16, 2016, 06:20 AM
May 2016

An elderly Jewish hippie socialist who honeymooned in Moscow, fathered a child out of wedlock, and didn't hold his first long-term steady job until he was almost 40? And these are just simple little truths.

All the social conservatives I know, and unfortunately there have been a lot, would be hissing his name and demanding his arrest and imprisonment before talk radio even really got started on him. And they would already have come to believe the survival of our nation depended on it.

They are incredibly vicious political adversaries. Think the Bernie zealots are addicted to hostility and aggression, greedily internalizing every lie they can find, villifying their opponents beyond all recognition just so they can attack, attack, attack with great righteousness?

The SBS zealots are David Koch compared to the right wing's Charles. And the SBSers' opportunities to act out are like DU compared to Fox, Talk Radio, and the right wing's character assassination machine.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
15. Ill admit Hillary has been more stable as far as jobs go
Mon May 16, 2016, 06:54 AM
May 2016

She can list her 6 years on walmarts board of directors as stable work experience, fighting unions and importing crap from China.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. You seem to agree that the vicious right would
Mon May 16, 2016, 07:22 AM
May 2016

slice and dice Bernie overnight with slanders that practically create themselves, adding in sharpened fingernails and laser hate glares just for special enjoyment, and you're right.

Btw, I love that a man can spend a quarter century trying various ways of life, with no consideration for accumulating money or possessions, spend his middle years developing a special interest, and then run for president in his elder years. Wonderful! But that's not the point.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
28. None of this matters if all "alleged" liberals show up and vote for the Democrat, unless
Mon May 16, 2016, 11:23 AM
May 2016

you really dont care what happens if you dont get your way?

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
3. She won't be romping over Trump as many here have predicted...
Mon May 16, 2016, 05:58 AM
May 2016

I believe that she will barely eke out a win if she does at all.

apnu

(8,709 posts)
19. I think this is true, whomever the Dem candidate is.
Mon May 16, 2016, 07:24 AM
May 2016

Trump's supporters literally don't care what he says and does. He's playing their stupidity and id like a fiddle. And its working. Already he's convinced half the nation to look past his failures both professionally and personally. Talk to a Trump supporter about the issues some time, bring up his failures, they'll ignore it.

Bernie would struggle with this too, maybe more. He excites white liberal independents for the most part, that's about it. Thinking Bernie will play well with moderate and conservative Independents is not reality.

RKP5637

(66,971 posts)
30. Exactly as you say, "Trump's supporters literally don't care what he says and does. He's
Mon May 16, 2016, 11:26 AM
May 2016

playing their stupidity and id like a fiddle." It's quite sad what the US is dissolving into on its march to full Idiocracy.

I do wonder, however, if HRC's plan to have Bill as economic adviser is wise. Millions upon millions literally hate some of the financial things he did as president. My concern is this is going to play right into Trump's plans of targeting her as a wall street elitist and fully engrossed in the establishment they hate.


apnu

(8,709 posts)
34. Tapping Bubba as economic adviser is a head scratcher.
Mon May 16, 2016, 11:35 AM
May 2016

She needs to step out of his shadow and be her own person. Having him campaign is one thing, but putting him in a position of authority, any authority, is a mistake, I think. People will take it as if Hillary is running for Bill's 3rd term. America is still very misogynist.

RKP5637

(66,971 posts)
38. To me, it's a really major strategic error that will play right into Trump's hands. Quite
Mon May 16, 2016, 11:47 AM
May 2016

unfortunate IMO.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
6. Nope. Clearly Republicans want an anti-establishment, true change candidate.
Mon May 16, 2016, 06:00 AM
May 2016

However, the sane ones also want a sane one who has some clue what government does and how it does it.

That would be Bernie, not Trump or Hillary.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
4. The Kristol types will tout her. The ordinary Republican voter will not.
Mon May 16, 2016, 05:58 AM
May 2016

Let's hope more Republicans than Democrats stay home in November. I have a feeling that's what this election will come down to.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
7. Yep... we have... wait for it... a PARTISAN ELECTION
Mon May 16, 2016, 06:02 AM
May 2016

Just like a lot of us always said we would. Which means we have to keep the Obama coalition engaged first and foremost.

Protalker

(418 posts)
10. Comrades will sit out election
Mon May 16, 2016, 06:27 AM
May 2016

Trump won't put out taxes because he doesn't pay as much as the rest of us. He wants more cuts for billionaires. Hillary has historic negatives. But it's our candidate. If comrade you won't vote for top of the ticket, don't ignore down ticket which is ignored financially by Sanders.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
11. You are beating a dead horse with the down ticket talk...
Mon May 16, 2016, 06:33 AM
May 2016

It's already been discredited with revelations that most of that money was being funneled back to Hillary's campaign.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
14. And the "comrade" insult brands you as a Joe McCarthy Republican...
Mon May 16, 2016, 06:38 AM
May 2016

McCarthy enthusiastically agreed and took advantage of the nation’s wave of fanatic terror against communism, and emerged on February 9, 1950, claiming he had a list of 205 people in the State Department who were known members of the American Communist Party.

http://www.coldwar.org/articles/50s/senatorjosephmccarthy.asp

By the way, things did not end up well for Joe.

Protalker

(418 posts)
16. Bernie admires socialists
Mon May 16, 2016, 07:10 AM
May 2016

If he is the nominee of the party I will vote for him. Countless people on the Democratic Underground will not support Clinton because she is a capitalist. Senator McCaskill said he will be branded a communist, Trump has called him one. Sitting it out is your choice. When the party loses down ticket, what have you won?

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
20. Hillary is a Third Way hawk. THAT'S the problem, not that she is a Capitalist.
Mon May 16, 2016, 07:43 AM
May 2016

I have every intention of voting down-ticket. I will no longer vote for DINOs.

Oh, and Bernie regularly raises funds for down-ticket. Hillary, on the other hand, takes money AWAY from down-ticket - that money is just laundered through the state organizations and back to Hillary. Sounds almost Soviet, doesn't it?

Bernie admires Democratic Socialism. Your attempts to brand Bernie as a Socialist or Communist won't work here at DU. Not on bernie's supporters, anyway.

Vinca

(50,086 posts)
13. That's true. I don't know how many of the former Trump haters have now come around
Mon May 16, 2016, 06:34 AM
May 2016

to supporting him and have said it's because they have to do whatever it takes to keep Hillary out of the White House. I think they're fools putting party over country, but she is a motivating factor for them.

Vinca

(50,086 posts)
24. If the choice is Hillary or Trump, it should be obvious which is a safer bet for the country.
Mon May 16, 2016, 11:15 AM
May 2016

FYI, I can't stand Hillary, but I think she's at least sane which is more than I can say for Trump.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
25. I don't think war and corporate trade deals and means-testing Social Security and fracking
Mon May 16, 2016, 11:18 AM
May 2016

are good for the country. That's why I support Bernie, in the first place.

Vinca

(50,086 posts)
32. Well, I happen to agree, but if Bernie doesn't get the nomination do you prefer
Mon May 16, 2016, 11:34 AM
May 2016

bad trade deals/means-testing Social Security/fracking or a person who has indicated he would use nuclear weapons?

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
35. Here's the thing - I won't be voting for Trump, but I don't trust Hillary with nukes either.
Mon May 16, 2016, 11:37 AM
May 2016

She never met an opportunity for war that she didn't like.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
26. We can't help it if Social Conservatives are Sexist, bigoted assholes who were united by Obama being
Mon May 16, 2016, 11:20 AM
May 2016

BLACK in 2008.
That is their problem.

 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
27. One of the first of many "I told you so's". Just a fact. Not to be wished for. There is, of course
Mon May 16, 2016, 11:22 AM
May 2016

another choice.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
29. The GOP
Mon May 16, 2016, 11:25 AM
May 2016

has always fallen in line
Its not just becase of Hillary.
Team strategy has worked for them for decades while Progressives cant compromise and unite.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
33. Sure, a Socialist who wishes to drain trillions out of their pockets would never unite Republicans.
Mon May 16, 2016, 11:34 AM
May 2016

It's reasoning like you see in this OP that really makes me wonder about Sanders supporters. Sometimes they seem to be play acting to me.

Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
40. Worse than that- She will attempt MERGING the RW neo-Dems and the 'centrist/moderate' republicans
Mon May 16, 2016, 11:51 AM
May 2016

They seem to want to call it the "New Democrat Party". IT will be RW and conservative and a puppet of the Corporate elite.. It will not be Liberal and Progressive and support the poor and middle-class.

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