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Mon May 16, 2016, 05:51 AM

 

Hillary is uniting the Republican Party...

Social Conservatives, However Reluctant, Are Warming to the Idea of Trump

“He’s not my first choice. He’s not my second choice,” she added. “But any
concerns I have about him pale in contrast to Hillary Clinton.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/16/us/politics/donald-trump-conservatives.html?emc=edit_th_20160516&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=70251688&_r=0

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Reply Hillary is uniting the Republican Party... (Original post)
Human101948 May 2016 OP
firebrand80 May 2016 #1
Duckhunter935 May 2016 #2
firebrand80 May 2016 #5
Duckhunter935 May 2016 #8
BlueCaliDem May 2016 #31
Duckhunter935 May 2016 #43
Hortensis May 2016 #9
Travis_0004 May 2016 #15
Hortensis May 2016 #18
Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #28
Human101948 May 2016 #3
apnu May 2016 #19
RKP5637 May 2016 #30
apnu May 2016 #34
RKP5637 May 2016 #38
apnu May 2016 #39
RKP5637 May 2016 #42
merrily May 2016 #6
merrily May 2016 #4
Recursion May 2016 #7
Protalker May 2016 #10
Human101948 May 2016 #11
Human101948 May 2016 #14
Protalker May 2016 #16
djean111 May 2016 #20
Protalker May 2016 #22
Tarc May 2016 #12
Vinca May 2016 #13
djean111 May 2016 #21
Vinca May 2016 #24
djean111 May 2016 #25
Vinca May 2016 #32
djean111 May 2016 #35
Vinca May 2016 #44
LexVegas May 2016 #17
Matt_in_STL May 2016 #23
Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #26
highprincipleswork May 2016 #27
puffy socks May 2016 #29
Trust Buster May 2016 #33
ViseGrip May 2016 #36
IHateTheGOP May 2016 #37
Ferd Berfel May 2016 #40
Skwmom May 2016 #41

Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 05:55 AM

1. And?

They wouldn't unite of Bernie was the nominee? What's your point here?

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #1)

Mon May 16, 2016, 05:58 AM

2. No they would not as much under Bernie

 

She is particularly loathed

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #2)

Mon May 16, 2016, 06:00 AM

5. I don't think they would like the

"Democratic socialist" any more than they like Hillary

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #5)

Mon May 16, 2016, 06:03 AM

8. Your opinion

 

Also Bernie does much better with independents than Hillary

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #8)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:28 AM

31. And she STILL won. What does that tell you?

What does it tell you when all those "independents" get outraged they can't muck up the Democratic Party nomination process? Many registered only to vote for Sanders and then unregistered themselves only to find their little plan of stealing delegates in NV fell through. Aw.

"Independents" are the reason why we still have Republicans controlling U.S. Congress and SCOTUS. I have very little to no respect or kind feelings for these "independents". But then again, I AM a Democrat.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #31)

Mon May 16, 2016, 01:21 PM

43. You need those independents

 

To win in November, way to dis them. She won by limiting the vote.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #2)

Mon May 16, 2016, 06:20 AM

9. Social conservatives??!!! Bernie??!!!

An elderly Jewish hippie socialist who honeymooned in Moscow, fathered a child out of wedlock, and didn't hold his first long-term steady job until he was almost 40? And these are just simple little truths.

All the social conservatives I know, and unfortunately there have been a lot, would be hissing his name and demanding his arrest and imprisonment before talk radio even really got started on him. And they would already have come to believe the survival of our nation depended on it.

They are incredibly vicious political adversaries. Think the Bernie zealots are addicted to hostility and aggression, greedily internalizing every lie they can find, villifying their opponents beyond all recognition just so they can attack, attack, attack with great righteousness?

The SBS zealots are David Koch compared to the right wing's Charles. And the SBSers' opportunities to act out are like DU compared to Fox, Talk Radio, and the right wing's character assassination machine.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #9)

Mon May 16, 2016, 06:54 AM

15. Ill admit Hillary has been more stable as far as jobs go

 

She can list her 6 years on walmarts board of directors as stable work experience, fighting unions and importing crap from China.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #15)

Mon May 16, 2016, 07:22 AM

18. You seem to agree that the vicious right would

slice and dice Bernie overnight with slanders that practically create themselves, adding in sharpened fingernails and laser hate glares just for special enjoyment, and you're right.

Btw, I love that a man can spend a quarter century trying various ways of life, with no consideration for accumulating money or possessions, spend his middle years developing a special interest, and then run for president in his elder years. Wonderful! But that's not the point.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #2)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:23 AM

28. None of this matters if all "alleged" liberals show up and vote for the Democrat, unless

you really dont care what happens if you dont get your way?

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #1)

Mon May 16, 2016, 05:58 AM

3. She won't be romping over Trump as many here have predicted...

 

I believe that she will barely eke out a win if she does at all.

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Response to Human101948 (Reply #3)

Mon May 16, 2016, 07:24 AM

19. I think this is true, whomever the Dem candidate is.

Trump's supporters literally don't care what he says and does. He's playing their stupidity and id like a fiddle. And its working. Already he's convinced half the nation to look past his failures both professionally and personally. Talk to a Trump supporter about the issues some time, bring up his failures, they'll ignore it.

Bernie would struggle with this too, maybe more. He excites white liberal independents for the most part, that's about it. Thinking Bernie will play well with moderate and conservative Independents is not reality.

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Response to apnu (Reply #19)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:26 AM

30. Exactly as you say, "Trump's supporters literally don't care what he says and does. He's

playing their stupidity and id like a fiddle." It's quite sad what the US is dissolving into on its march to full Idiocracy.

I do wonder, however, if HRC's plan to have Bill as economic adviser is wise. Millions upon millions literally hate some of the financial things he did as president. My concern is this is going to play right into Trump's plans of targeting her as a wall street elitist and fully engrossed in the establishment they hate.


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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #30)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:35 AM

34. Tapping Bubba as economic adviser is a head scratcher.

She needs to step out of his shadow and be her own person. Having him campaign is one thing, but putting him in a position of authority, any authority, is a mistake, I think. People will take it as if Hillary is running for Bill's 3rd term. America is still very misogynist.

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Response to apnu (Reply #34)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:47 AM

38. To me, it's a really major strategic error that will play right into Trump's hands. Quite

unfortunate IMO.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #38)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:48 AM

39. maybe so, I'm still trying to process it.

Hence the "head scratcher"

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Response to apnu (Reply #39)

Mon May 16, 2016, 12:14 PM

42. Yep! n/t

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #1)

Mon May 16, 2016, 06:00 AM

6. Nope. Clearly Republicans want an anti-establishment, true change candidate.

However, the sane ones also want a sane one who has some clue what government does and how it does it.

That would be Bernie, not Trump or Hillary.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 05:58 AM

4. The Kristol types will tout her. The ordinary Republican voter will not.

Let's hope more Republicans than Democrats stay home in November. I have a feeling that's what this election will come down to.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 06:02 AM

7. Yep... we have... wait for it... a PARTISAN ELECTION

Just like a lot of us always said we would. Which means we have to keep the Obama coalition engaged first and foremost.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 06:27 AM

10. Comrades will sit out election

Trump won't put out taxes because he doesn't pay as much as the rest of us. He wants more cuts for billionaires. Hillary has historic negatives. But it's our candidate. If comrade you won't vote for top of the ticket, don't ignore down ticket which is ignored financially by Sanders.

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Response to Protalker (Reply #10)

Mon May 16, 2016, 06:33 AM

11. You are beating a dead horse with the down ticket talk...

 

It's already been discredited with revelations that most of that money was being funneled back to Hillary's campaign.

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Response to Protalker (Reply #10)

Mon May 16, 2016, 06:38 AM

14. And the "comrade" insult brands you as a Joe McCarthy Republican...

 

McCarthy enthusiastically agreed and took advantage of the nation’s wave of fanatic terror against communism, and emerged on February 9, 1950, claiming he had a list of 205 people in the State Department who were known members of the American Communist Party.

http://www.coldwar.org/articles/50s/senatorjosephmccarthy.asp

By the way, things did not end up well for Joe.

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Response to Human101948 (Reply #14)

Mon May 16, 2016, 07:10 AM

16. Bernie admires socialists

If he is the nominee of the party I will vote for him. Countless people on the Democratic Underground will not support Clinton because she is a capitalist. Senator McCaskill said he will be branded a communist, Trump has called him one. Sitting it out is your choice. When the party loses down ticket, what have you won?

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Response to Protalker (Reply #16)

Mon May 16, 2016, 07:43 AM

20. Hillary is a Third Way hawk. THAT'S the problem, not that she is a Capitalist.

 

I have every intention of voting down-ticket. I will no longer vote for DINOs.

Oh, and Bernie regularly raises funds for down-ticket. Hillary, on the other hand, takes money AWAY from down-ticket - that money is just laundered through the state organizations and back to Hillary. Sounds almost Soviet, doesn't it?

Bernie admires Democratic Socialism. Your attempts to brand Bernie as a Socialist or Communist won't work here at DU. Not on bernie's supporters, anyway.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #20)

Mon May 16, 2016, 07:59 AM

22. Yea

I am delighted you will vote.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 06:33 AM

12. And you think social conservatives would've flocked to Bernie?


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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 06:34 AM

13. That's true. I don't know how many of the former Trump haters have now come around

to supporting him and have said it's because they have to do whatever it takes to keep Hillary out of the White House. I think they're fools putting party over country, but she is a motivating factor for them.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #13)

Mon May 16, 2016, 07:45 AM

21. Well, isn't this what Bernie's supporters are being asked to do -

 

putting party over country

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Response to djean111 (Reply #21)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:15 AM

24. If the choice is Hillary or Trump, it should be obvious which is a safer bet for the country.

FYI, I can't stand Hillary, but I think she's at least sane which is more than I can say for Trump.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #24)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:18 AM

25. I don't think war and corporate trade deals and means-testing Social Security and fracking

 

are good for the country. That's why I support Bernie, in the first place.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #25)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:34 AM

32. Well, I happen to agree, but if Bernie doesn't get the nomination do you prefer

bad trade deals/means-testing Social Security/fracking or a person who has indicated he would use nuclear weapons?

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Response to Vinca (Reply #32)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:37 AM

35. Here's the thing - I won't be voting for Trump, but I don't trust Hillary with nukes either.

 

She never met an opportunity for war that she didn't like.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #35)

Mon May 16, 2016, 02:06 PM

44. I agree, but I don't think she'd use a nuke and I think Trump would.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 07:16 AM

17. Yeah...they needed unitiing since they were really conflicted on Obama.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 08:36 AM

23. Well that makes perfect sense actually

 

If she couldn't unify her base she'd have no chance in the GE.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:20 AM

26. We can't help it if Social Conservatives are Sexist, bigoted assholes who were united by Obama being

BLACK in 2008.
That is their problem.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:22 AM

27. One of the first of many "I told you so's". Just a fact. Not to be wished for. There is, of course

 

another choice.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:25 AM

29. The GOP

 

has always fallen in line
Its not just becase of Hillary.
Team strategy has worked for them for decades while Progressives cant compromise and unite.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:34 AM

33. Sure, a Socialist who wishes to drain trillions out of their pockets would never unite Republicans.

 

It's reasoning like you see in this OP that really makes me wonder about Sanders supporters. Sometimes they seem to be play acting to me.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:44 AM

36. That's why I hear dems residing to voting republican. Democrats are liars they are saying.

 

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:51 AM

40. Worse than that- She will attempt MERGING the RW neo-Dems and the 'centrist/moderate' republicans

They seem to want to call it the "New Democrat Party". IT will be RW and conservative and a puppet of the Corporate elite.. It will not be Liberal and Progressive and support the poor and middle-class.

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Response to Human101948 (Original post)

Mon May 16, 2016, 11:56 AM

41. That is a no brainer. She can unite the Republican Party like no other.

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