Bigger Difference Between Sanders and Hillary, than Hill and Trump

[liberalmike27]

I think what we're seeing manifest within the Democratic Party has been a long time coming. The Sanders folks had just a hint of what Democrats should be like. And we're not at all happy, not just with the Party establishment, and their manipulations, their bias for the corporate Hillary. We're not real happy with Democratic voters, that time and again, pick the corporate candidate.

I think a lot of us are at this point where we're willing to just vote for whomever we think is best. I've always asked the no-voters what is the path. And they rarely give me an answer. But I wonder if the answer is "Let the chaos come." "Let things get worse, and worse, and worse again, until the rich-guys prediction of pitchforks, and tar and feathers, perhaps worse, begins to happen to the richest in this country, those who bar the door against a minimal live for tens of millions, as they prance into their mansions, with gilded ceilings, financed on the misery of the "rabble."

Perhaps the most obvious sign is nearly half of the party (hard to tell, with electoral manipulation, and how many truly support Sanders in caucus states he won huge) is in full-on revolt against the corporate shill.

In fact, the battle is almost as ferocious between factions of the Democratic party, as it is between "crooked Hillary" and "Detestable Donald." Perhaps more so.

You've ignored your own financial lives dropping, as inevitably happens when you sweep the legs out-from-under the lower classes, when you chop away Welfare programs, when you lower food-stamp programs, when you cooperate with Republicans because you "know how to get things done by working with Republicans," as Hillary is known to say. Because you've still got enough--right now you have a job, it makes an adequate wage for you--so you choose the corporate Democrat, ignoring all those beneath you. That's on you upper-crust Democrats, that's on you. There is more to this party that gays, guns, and abortion--or at least there should be. We've lost our soul.

[NewImproved Deal]

1. True, that. One big, cozy Oligarchy...

...and you ain't in it!

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[cantbeserious]

2. This Revolt Has Been Building For Years - The DWS, DNC, DLC, Third-Way Has Only Themselves To Blame

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[CrowCityDem]

3. Anyone saying "let it get worse" is immoral.

There is simply no way to justify telling the millions of Americans who would have their lives ruined by a Republican presidency to suck it up and live with the pain and misery, in the faint hope that it will create a 'revolution' down the road. First of all, we're supposed to be working to make things better, which that plan doesn't do. Second, there's no guarantee that letting the world go to rot would result in the kind of change you want, so you're risking everything on an assumption. Sorry, but I can't do that.

What we are seeing here is that the most liberal wing of the party isn't the majority, and they can't handle it. Rather than come up with better ideas that might convince the rest of us to go along, they resort to calling us corporate, corrupt, and just now you're directly taking words from Trump by parroting his "crooked Hillary" garbage. You want to know why we pick the 'corporate' candidate? She's better, and we don't want to associate with people using the tactics you just did.

[w4rma]

4. If voting for Hillary wasn't also "letting it get worse", I might agree with you.

She is, though. Her conduct in Nevada, yesterday and this morning, proved it to me, without a doubt.

[tokenlib]

9. The Third Way line since before 1992..n/t

[liberalmike27]

13. Better to Ignore

The 60 million in the "precariat" class, whose lives are on the edge of abysmal poverty, so you can vote for a center right candidate, who will make our lives worse, so you comfy folks in the middle will "hopefully" be fine. But what we see is, when you hurt us, you hurt yourselves. As I've said, you knock out the bottom head on a totem pole, you lower all the rest as well.

Comfortable Democrats, Economically speaking, should choose "our" candidate once in a while, rather than us having to vote for someone who thinks $250,000 a year is "middle class." What a hoot it is to all of us folks that make from nothing, to 40,000 a year, when she said that. "Middle class?" Really? Nope, that's top one to two percent.

[CrowCityDem]

17. Better to vote for the only candidate who won't RAISE taxes on those poor and middle class.

[RDANGELO]

5. That may be true about his stated position but!

Trump is a narcissist and a pathological liar. There is no telling what he would do once he got in office. He has the same traits as Hitler.

[liberalmike27]

14. Yea, Thank Goodness

We've got a very slightly less crappy candidate, who will screw us more gently to vote for--hopefully she'll use lube.

[dana_b]

6. my signature is all about this

and I was asked by someone here to remove it (not an admin) for unity sake. But nah... I still believe it. Actually now more than ever.

[felix_numinous]

7. I still suspect

Trump was originally pre arranged as a fall guy. Sanders was never supposed to become this popular, not part of the plan(t).

[liberalmike27]

15. It is the end result

Of the political system moving so incredibly far to the right, that both candidates are nuts, at least regarding the economics of us all.

You've got the two major parties, supported and pushed by the media into their positions, then you've got the old Democrat, who still espouses positions Democrats used to, somewhere between FDR and LBJ, and he's far, far to the left.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

8. .

[AzDar]

10. K & R

[pampango]

11. Not on climate change, immigration, the Iran agreement

and every other international agreement that Trump will 'rip up' and a host of other issues. I prefer Bernie but Trump panders to an isolationist base that I don't identify with.

[liberalmike27]

16. Yes

We've established that Hillary is "slightly" better. Yaaaay, Hillary is barely tolerable, with her "No We Can't," campaign. Her "Won't you poor folks be reasonable, and go back to the wheel, and put up with being in abject poverty?" "Needy putzes, wanting a life, what's wrong with you Sanders people."

[CharlotteVale]

12. Yep. They both are on the side of the 1%.