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Thank you Robert. I believe most Sanders will come around also.
Robert Reich comes around: we must fight like hell for Hillary
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/robert-reich-comes-around-we-must-fight-like-hell-for-hillary/24780/
By dailynewsbin | May 14, 2016 | 2
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Robert Reich is old friends with Hillary Clinton, as served as President Bill Clintons Secretary of Labor, but hes been favoring her opponent Bernie Sanders during the 2016 democratic primary race. However, with Sanders having fallen behind by millions of votes with just a handful of states remaining, and Clinton emerging as the certain nominee, Reich is hedging his bets. In fact hes now telling his fans that they must fight like hell for Hillary if she becomes the nominee.
Of course Reich isnt yet willing to admit that Hillary Clinton is in fact the nominee. Shes ahead by more than three million votes and she needs just 143 additional delegates to mathematically clinch the nomination. Shes certain to pick those up based on proportional delegates from states like California and New Jersey alone, win or lose. Although Reich doesnt seem inclined to admit this basic math to his followers just yet despite being an economist who can certainly count to 2383 delegates, he has now begun definitively laying the groundwork for what he himself must know is an eventual pivot toward Hillary...............
haikugal
(6,476 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)elleng
(130,895 posts)but 'desperate's right, AND disingenuous. MUCH too common these days.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Good grief.
On the one hand, we should all sit down and shut up because Hillary won.
On the other hand, the desperation to make us give up gets stronger every day.
Cognitive dissonance?
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Not going to survive if it continues down this track. We will go elsewhere and continue our movement to lift up everyone out of this hellish existence TPTB have planned for us and the earth. I don't think we will go gently into that night. Just sayin....
bjo59
(1,166 posts)I hope it's not illustrative of a significant mindset out in the real world because it's scary.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)You saw a taste of it at the Nevada convention tonight. When the DNC rolls rough-shot over the Bernie contingency in Philadelphia, 1968 Chicago is going to look like a kindergarten playground spat.
For all the calls by the media of a Republican split, it seems they're able to come aboard the Trump Train because, fundamentally, Trump isn't all that much different than the average Republican.
Hillary, however, does not represent nearly half the Democratic Party who wants to go back to its FDR roots.
When the plurality of the country doesn't even identify with a party anymore, you know trouble is brewing.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Compare tea party on right to progressives on the left. If we got mad and squawked as much, we'd get better results too. Don't you think? Our own occupy movement seems to have dissolved. Too many on left are complacent.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Have you seen the participant videos from Nevada tonight? Bernie's people are loud and angry - as anyone should be who has been marginalized for 30 years by both parties - and the elites are telling us to sit down and shut up.
I don't like the "Tea Party on the left" moniker because we're far more informed than that lot (and have far less port-o-potties! I know - asf Bernie's wonderful Secret Service about me. LOL), but we're certainly learning to be the squeaky wheel. We may not have the money, but we have the numbers and the voices.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)I urge you to fight like hell for Bernie as long as he has any chance at all, Robert Reich told his online audience this week, most of whom are currently Bernie supporters. But if he loses the nomination, we must fight like hell for Hillary. Not voting, or voting for a third party candidate, helps Trump.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)puffy socks
(1,473 posts)"...fight like hell for Bernie as long as he has any chance at all,.."
Bernie has no chance at all.
Name the super delegates that have switched over to Bernie since he said he was taking this all the way to the convention.
He has lost the nomination.
I realize they don't want to hear that ...too bad.
But if he loses the nomination, we must fight like hell for Hillary..."
"Not voting, or voting for a third party candidate, helps Trump."
Everyone seems to get this except BoB Sanders supporters.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Whatever
Bernie has lost.... those who just refuse to admit that have only a few weeks to hang onto that delusional fantasy before the reality is slammed into their wide-eyed faces .
Enjoy!
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Will lose and lose big.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)So you've all said ad nauseum.
Number23
(24,544 posts)I wondered why the folks screaming "that's not what he said" didn't provide the quote that was supposed to refute this OP.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Goddam propaganda site.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)came by to set everyone straight?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511639395
Good times.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)And I notice these numbers include supers. At this point, THEY HAVE NO SIGNIFICANCE.
elleng
(130,895 posts)In fact hes now telling his fans that they must fight like hell for Hillary if she becomes the nominee.'
IF SHE BECOMES THE NOMINEE, GOT IT?
merrily
(45,251 posts)Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)Total misrepresentation of what he said! He said IF!!!!
CA will have a million new voter registrations by the May 23 deadline including a 150+% increase in young voters! OR has had a similar unprecedented surge. This primary is NOT OVER!
elleng
(130,895 posts)bjo59
(1,166 posts)Trawling every last article that has anything to do with Bernie Sanders and then lifting out a phrase or sentence that can be spun to support their beliefs and dreams when it has been shorn of its context. It's exactly what the corporate media does every single day in this country and it's probably where they learned the trick.
riversedge
(70,213 posts)pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)Twisting words much? LOL This post screams deceit.
elleng
(130,895 posts)Does it reflect the 'candidate of choice???'
is for the original poster thinking that Bernie supporters would believe nonsense crap coming from Daily Newsbin, like Hillary supporters evidently do. Yeah, that deserves a laugh.
elleng
(130,895 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)Creepy.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)imagine2015
(2,054 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)So far, she hasn't even won.
I am troubled by her FBI investigation, and am not going to support her positively until or unless that gets cleared.
I will wait and see how she and the DNC and the Democratic Party handle Democratic affairs. If they continue to bludgeon and browbeat and exclude and try to see me on the same stale corporate-funded Party shenanigans, then I will decide what to do then.
Their best course of action, which they are already failing at, would be to assure the energized and rather vast (vast enough to be within 300 delegates) of Sander supporters that there is plenty of room for them at the table, that Hillary will continue to support what she has said she will support during the campaign and not lurch wildly back to the Right.
Lurching back to the Right and employing the same tactics that may or may not have been successful for Bill Clinton just don't fly in this day and age. There were tactics forged in the infernal wake of Ronald Reagan's successful brainwashing (also called a "revolution" by the way). They have lingered long past their viable time, as generation after generation of Americans long for something better, something other countries have, something they intuit we had once, when governed successfully by Keynesian economics and true Democrats and the New Deal.
I would love Obama to get with this and help to ensure Progressivism, and Biden too, but then look what they've done with TPP! All of which could be abandoned too, to good effect, especially if you are competing against Donald Trump and he's able to campaign on it being a bad, bad deal and we're in the guise of supporting it.
I'm waiting to see what they will do, and the signs so far aren't good. But that's only mostly Debbie Wasserman Schultz and her high school prom inauguration plans. Sounder minds can come into play here and do the right thing.
I believe even Hillary could/should figure out that her best way to win, to campaign, to run, to govern is to take this vast amount of energy that so far has been arrayed against her, absorb it into her army (but it has to be in an authentic way, or it isn't going to work), and then lead the whole thing into battle against the Trump army. We would run through them very successfully, landslide time.
Continue to argue with and shit upon some of the most ardent Democrats of all time (and those who would choose to be Democrats if it still meant something Progressive) - that would and will be follly.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Even Bernie's most ardent supporters are now coming around.
riversedge
(70,213 posts)Last edited Sat May 14, 2016, 08:54 PM - Edit history (1)
DLevine
(1,788 posts)You know he's still supporting Bernie.
riversedge
(70,213 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)imagine2015
(2,054 posts)It suggests that Reich is no longer supporting Bernie and has endorsed Secretary Clinton for the nomination.
Why did you do that?
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)I don't vote for right wingers.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
elleng
(130,895 posts)'Democratic insiders are increasing their pressure on Bernie to bow out of the race. 3 reasons why theyre wrong:
1. They say hes draining resources form Hillarys campaign that should be used against Trump. But hes continuing to mobilize and energize voters about the most important issue in this election the increasing concentration of income, wealth, and political power at the top, and why its harming our economy and democracy. If the Democratic Party stands for anything, it should be to reverse this trend.
2. They say he doesnt have a chance of winning the nomination or the election. But hes on a roll. Hes won 18 primaries, including West Virginia this week and Indiana last week, and has a good chance of taking Oregon and Kentucky next week, and perhaps even California June 7. Independent voters are flocking to him, and independents will be the single largest force in the general election. Besides, a big reason why shes got so many delegates is shes rounded up so many Democratic-insider superdelegates.
3. They say hes forcing Hillary to spend time in primary states rather in battlegrounds that will decide the general election. But isnt this why we have primaries so that voters can have a choice of primary candidates? As long as Bernie has any chance at all, its his right and obligation to fight on.'
https://www.facebook.com/RBReich/?fref=nf
Chezboo
(230 posts)Shes ahead by more than three million votes and she needs just 143 additional delegates to mathematically clinch the nomination.
The claim that Hillary is winning the popular vote is one of the most deceptive, specious claims the Hillary Clinton campaign and her surrogates are making. The mainstream media is echoing and giving a total pass on this egregiously dishonest claim.
This is very important for several reasons.
1- Superdelegates are arguing that they are, by supporting Hillary, representing the majority of voters. The truth is that this not true.
2- The mainstream media repeat the "Hillary is winning the popular vote" mantra, or allow Hillary and her surrogates to make the specious claim many many times every day.
Actually, the claim is an affront to the truth, based on the numbers.
More:
Debunking Hillary's Specious Winning the Popular Vote Claim
http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/Hillary-and-Her-Surrogates-by-Rob-Kall-Hillary-Clinton_Popular-Vote_Surrogates-160511-219.html
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)It sort of speaks volumes though that he left their administration and supported Obama and Bernie over Hillary.
Still he knows Trump would be a disaster.
http://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Reich-has-known-Clinton-50-years-so-why-is-he-7240130.php
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)If there's any duplicity it's Reich's.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Although I will admit I can't check the date on fb because I don't have an account.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)So I urge you to fight like hell for Bernie as long as he has any chance at all. But if he loses the nomination, we must fight like hell for Hillary. Not voting, or voting for a third party candidate, helps Trump.
In other words he's hailing a life raft.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)It goes to the fb page, not the exact post, which is not on the first screen. And you cannot go past the first screen without an account.
Thank you very much for the confirmation that the OP was a duplicitous post. Much appreciated.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)But if it involves being able to look at all of fb without having an account, I'm interested.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)It has an x in the upper right corner. Click that and you'll get to the quote. I don't get it either but it worked for me.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)timmymoff
(1,947 posts)for someone who already announced she won't fight like hell for us regarding minimum wage or healthcare issues. Naw, let the Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz donors she courted fight like hell for her.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Reich or no Reich. But I will try very hard to at least hold my nose.
seekthetruth
(504 posts)I'd rather not fight like hell for another Mideast war, or for further environmental damage. Or for more unabated student debt, or for a sustained inadequate healthcare system, or for more of the same old neoliberal economic policies.
JPnoodleman
(454 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)My son just turned 17 today and I can't save for any sort of retirement. I am NOT privileged.
We can't take any more wars or income inequality or climate change. If that means we have to tear it down to build it up, so be it.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)He hasn't "come around." He is saying the obvious: if it isn't Sanders, has to be Clinton. Pretty simple idea. Of course he's not going to give up on the best candidate until no alternative. Why should he?
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Geez. We're smarter than that.
Ignoring facts is the Hilliterates game.
Jeez! but that's lame!
P.S.
That graphic looks like something straight out of TRON.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)What a joke!
The Daily News Bin strikes again with their bullshit lies.
Usually it takes 3-10 hours before the truth finally debunks the baloney that comes off the Daily News Bin assembly line.
...but by the time the lie is revealed, these goofball are publishing their next lie.
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)R.R. is preparing the devoted bit by bit for the coming transition that has, in fact, already taken place. He is a good man who agonized openly about which candidate he loved more at the beginning of the primary season, and he loves them both still.
More importantly; he is an emotionally mature, intellectually honest man who loves his country and the people of our collective community, especially the vulnerable. He understands well that the narcissism of minor differences must not stand in the way of the election of the Democratic nominee in the fall.