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insta8er

(960 posts)
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:30 PM May 2016

Top reason Americans will vote for Trump: 'To stop Clinton' - poll

The U.S. presidential election may turn out to be one of the world's biggest un-popularity contests.

Nearly half of American voters who support either Democrat Hillary Clinton or Republican Donald Trump for the White House said they will mainly be trying to block the other side from winning, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released Thursday.

The results reflect a deepening ideological divide in the United States, where people are becoming increasingly fearful of the opposing party, a feeling worsened by the likely matchup between the New York real estate tycoon and the former first lady, said Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics.

"This phenomenon is called negative partisanship," Sabato said. "If we were trying to maximize the effect, we couldn't have found better nominees than Trump and Clinton."

Trump has won passionate supporters and vitriolic detractors for his blunt talk and hardline proposals, including his call for a ban on Muslims entering the United States, his vow to force Mexico to pay for a border wall, and his promise to renegotiate international trade deals.



http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-anti-vote-idUSKCN0XX06E

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Top reason Americans will vote for Trump: 'To stop Clinton' - poll (Original Post) insta8er May 2016 OP
That will rally many republicans behind Trump. HooptieWagon May 2016 #1
Not only Republicans I'm afraid. insta8er May 2016 #2
Yep. He'll do better with Independants too. HooptieWagon May 2016 #5
We outnumber them brush May 2016 #4
Obama coalition included strong youth vote... HooptieWagon May 2016 #6
You wish. nt Jitter65 May 2016 #8
What is it with all these Sanders supporters wishing for a repug win. God! brush May 2016 #19
Being realistic about Nov isn't wishing for a GOP win. HooptieWagon May 2016 #20
It is and always has been a repug-generated faux scandal. I'm surprise how many Sanders . . . brush May 2016 #24
Iraq, Honduras, Haiti, Libya, Syria, Server in the basement, all repug-generated faux scandal ? bahrbearian May 2016 #25
The "email scandal" is certainly repug-generated brush May 2016 #28
"Realpolitiks is not tiddlewinks." Aerows May 2016 #29
Guess you haven't been around long brush May 2016 #30
Well that was an interesting response to my post. Aerows May 2016 #32
Why would you get out of what I posted that you are an angry white male? brush May 2016 #34
I give you an E for effort Aerows May 2016 #35
Now see, I was just getting to like you, even though we think differently brush May 2016 #36
I'm sure we will both survive. n/t Aerows May 2016 #37
no, it is HRC-generated, evading FOIA, for starters amborin May 2016 #39
MAY TURN OUT TO BE WORLD'S BIGGEST UNPOPULARITY CONTEST??!!!! KPN May 2016 #3
with the lowest voter turnout in history Ferd Berfel May 2016 #7
It's a strange strategy for Democrats. HooptieWagon May 2016 #9
and it dosen't need to happen Ferd Berfel May 2016 #10
It's by design. HooptieWagon May 2016 #12
Yep. Ferd Berfel May 2016 #15
I'll say this much ... nolawarlock May 2016 #11
#1 reason the sanders crowd will vote for trump nt msongs May 2016 #13
or sit this one out - or vote Green or write in Bernie Ferd Berfel May 2016 #16
Or even vote Hillary. HooptieWagon May 2016 #21
I wish America could vote no confidence felix_numinous May 2016 #14
Agree. Ferd Berfel May 2016 #17
GOOD NEWS: 11% of the people like her, a new personal best! BAD NEWS: More people agree with Trump Attorney in Texas May 2016 #18
With a choice between a neocon liar and a fascist madman,... HooptieWagon May 2016 #22
can't argue Ferd Berfel May 2016 #23
I expect some people will vote for Clinton apcalc May 2016 #26
I hear Paul Ryan is endorsing Hillary Clinton -none May 2016 #27
Both are piece of shit candidates PowerToThePeople May 2016 #31
Trump voters have various mental disorders. Darb May 2016 #33
This is good news for HRC lancer78 May 2016 #38
I agree Aerows May 2016 #40
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
5. Yep. He'll do better with Independants too.
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:45 PM
May 2016

His Democratic crossover vote will likely be same W got in 2000...roughly 10%.

brush

(52,859 posts)
4. We outnumber them
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:39 PM
May 2016

The Obama coalition:

Sensible progressive whites who don't want Trump appointing the next 3 SCOTUS justices, Latino Americans, African Americans, women, gays, Asian Americans, Native Americans, and sensible, left-leaning and moderate independents — collectively these demographic segments are who mostly voted for and elected President Obama twice, and will also elect Clinton to the presidency.

Notice pls that they are a very diverse group, not the angry whites and/or racist whites who support Trump.

The days of winning the presidency with the majority of the white vote are long gone.

Romney won a huge majority of the white vote and lost handily.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
6. Obama coalition included strong youth vote...
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:46 PM
May 2016

...and about 50/50 split of indies. Clinton will fall far short.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
20. Being realistic about Nov isn't wishing for a GOP win.
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:59 PM
May 2016

It's just being realistic. For a group claiming to be 'pragmatic', Hillarians do an awful lot of head in the sand and whistling past the graveyard. That's on you. Don't blame us, when we've warned you.

brush

(52,859 posts)
24. It is and always has been a repug-generated faux scandal. I'm surprise how many Sanders . . .
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:14 PM
May 2016

supporters keep wishing and a'hoping for it.

Time to move on.

brush

(52,859 posts)
28. The "email scandal" is certainly repug-generated
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:43 PM
May 2016

Last edited Fri May 6, 2016, 10:28 PM - Edit history (1)

The virulent hatred coming from some in the Sanders camp at Clinton over doing her job as SOS is somewhat misplaced as she worked for the president.

Might as well direct that hatred towards any SOS who ever held the job, and for that matter, any president.

Realpolitik is not tiddlewinks.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
29. "Realpolitiks is not tiddlewinks."
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:04 PM
May 2016

No, it isn't.

Just because you believe your candidate has the best resume, doesn't mean that everybody else agrees with you.

A huge blind spot in the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC handling of this Presidential election is judging her appeal based upon Democratic voters.

Unfortunately, a sizable chunk of Democratic voters do not want to have no choice but to vote for her. She will not make up for shortfalls due to mere grudging support in terms of voter outreach, or mule-headed Democrats that choose to stay home with cross-over Republicans and Independents.

That's not tiddlywinks, and elections are not a game. If you find some facts unpleasant in politics, it's likely they are just the truth.

brush

(52,859 posts)
30. Guess you haven't been around long
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:11 PM
May 2016

Every heard of the Obama coalition?

Sensible progressive whites who don't want Trump appointing the next 3 SCOTUS justices, Latino Americans, African Americans, women, gays, Asian Americans, Native Americans, and sensible, left-leaning and moderate independents — collectively these demographic segments are who mostly voted for and elected President Obama twice, and will also elect the Dem nominee to the presidency — most likely Clinton.

Notice pls that they are a very diverse group, not the angry whites and/or racist whites who support Trump, and we outnumber them.

The days of winning the presidency with the majority of the white vote are long gone.

Romney won a huge majority of the white vote and lost handily.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
32. Well that was an interesting response to my post.
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:17 PM
May 2016

Please imply how I am an angry white male because I agreed with you that politics isn't a game and had a different take on that statement than you did.

Please do proceed. I'm eager to hear all about my angry white masculinity.

brush

(52,859 posts)
34. Why would you get out of what I posted that you are an angry white male?
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:25 PM
May 2016

That's obviously a reference to Trump supporters.

I don't think that applies to you, you sound more like a Sanders supporter who still can't accept the fact that he's not going to be the nominee.

I outlined those demographic segments who make up the Obama coalition to let you know who will trounce Trump.

Trounce Trump!

Has a nice ring to it don't you think?

Not too late to get on board.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
35. I give you an E for effort
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:29 PM
May 2016

at backtracking, but I've been around a bit longer than you have and this is most certainly not my first time addressing the peanut gallery.

brush

(52,859 posts)
36. Now see, I was just getting to like you, even though we think differently
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:31 PM
May 2016

Then you had to resort to insults.

See ya.

KPN

(15,531 posts)
3. MAY TURN OUT TO BE WORLD'S BIGGEST UNPOPULARITY CONTEST??!!!!
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:37 PM
May 2016

UNDERSTATEMENT! It already is ... also the latest and greatest "Reality TV" show produced by corporate media.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
12. It's by design.
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:14 PM
May 2016

They're no longer even pretending to want the left. That frees them up to go hard right.
Hillary to Bush donors:"I share your values".
Looks like a merger of RW parties coming up.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
15. Yep.
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:33 PM
May 2016

There is part on the Left any longer. Regardless of what you call it, merging the Disenfranchised republicans and the DLC, Blue Dog, Third Way right wing crowd, is NOT the Party of Democrats that I've voted for in the past.

This will be something new, Right Wing, Conservative, War prone, Corporate intense over Human Rights, Imperialistic and Democracy averse.....You know..... The New World Order. And the Clinton Cabal will be at the helm -

Unless we can get Bernie in there. This might be are last chance to keep our democracy.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
11. I'll say this much ...
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:09 PM
May 2016

... as hateful and bitter as this primary season was, I think the GE itself is gonna be hella entertaining.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
21. Or even vote Hillary.
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:02 PM
May 2016

What is clear is that after decades of being ignored and taken for granted, the left has woken up and is looking into a divorce.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
14. I wish America could vote no confidence
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:07 PM
May 2016

along with election reform. It would be a way to rid ourselves of candidates no one actually wants.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
18. GOOD NEWS: 11% of the people like her, a new personal best! BAD NEWS: More people agree with Trump
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:37 PM
May 2016

than agree with Hillary?

What kind twisted values do these people have?

I'm afraid that Hillary's lying, but I'm terrified that Trump is telling the truth.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
22. With a choice between a neocon liar and a fascist madman,...
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:05 PM
May 2016

...the only thing we know for certain is that the country loses.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
31. Both are piece of shit candidates
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:17 PM
May 2016

that deserve no ones vote.

America with those two as candidates is not worth saving.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
38. This is good news for HRC
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:34 PM
May 2016

People tend to be more enthusiastic when they vote FOR someone then when they vote AGAINST someone. We Dems saw it in 2004 when we were voting AGAINST Bush and in 2008 when we were voting FOR Obama. Big difference in the mood of the electorate.

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